Should We Still Keep the Feasts

[crossnote]

I suppose it means what your faith is in in keeping the Feast.
If your faith is in keeping the Feasts for you salvation, then we shouldn't.
If your faith is in keeping the Feasts to be obedient to our Savior, then yes we should.

Scripture proof for that last sentence especially as it pertains to us peon gentiles.

 

[KohenMatt]

Scripture proof for that last sentence especially as it pertains to us peon gentiles.

John 14:5
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

 

[crossnote]

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-adventists-responses-please.html#post1698481

This is the post that became the catalyst for this thread. All I was doing was looking for a church that taught the law in its proper Spiritual context. I want to learn and share. (convocate) I don't have a church home at this point because I esteem the law that God gave to Moses good for Christians and have been shunned numerous times, and expelled twice.

all 613 of them?

 

[JGIG]

Sure it is literal...

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Paul here is encouraging the Corinthians to become unleavened spiritually and then states they are already unleavened. How can that be? Because they had already put the physical leaven out. They had removed leavening and leavened products from their premises but still had some spiritual issues they had not dealt with...

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

And here they are admonished to keep the Feast with a clean heart.

Ugh. No.

They are already unleavened because Christ has cleansed them of all their sins, you know, the things that leaven represents (is the shadow of, points to).

Reside and observe according to the shadows if you wish, but it is spiritual adultery and does not produce fruit unto God (Rom. 7).

-JGIG

 

[Laodicea]

read pages 28-30 for starters, it's too long to post on a thread

This is the relationship between the feasts and Jesus

So you keep additional sabbaths apart from the 7th day?

 

[JGIG]

James, Peter and Paul didn't mention a lot of things that the gentile converts should do. Does that mean all of the things they didn't mention shouldn't be done?

That's a logical fallacy:

Argument from silence (argumentum e silentio) – where the conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, rather than the existence of evidence.​

The writers of the New Covenant Scriptures are clear: We are no longer bound to the Law in any way, shape, or form; indeed we have died to the Law.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Ok first the feasts point to Christ.

Christ is our Passover
Christ is the bread from heaven
Christ is the firstfruits.

Pentecost is when Christ began His ministry as our High priest in the heavenly sanctuary. In the OT the priest was anointed with oil which flowed down.

Trumpets anounced the day of atonement
The day of atonement is mentioned in Daniel 8:14
Daniel 8:14 KJV
(14) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

This is a reference to the day of atonement. Read Daniel 8 and notice how many sanctuary symbols there are. Even the beasts used to represent Medo-Persia and Greece are sanctuary animals. So the day of atonement shows the work of Christ in the heavenly sanctuary. The trumpets anounces Christ's work on the day of atonement, to get the worlds atention, pointing to Christ.

Tabernacles is when we will be with Christ in heaven.

Excellent.

I would say that Tabernacles is also fulfilled with the Work of Christ now, in us, however. Christ tabernacles with us by His Holy Spirit.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

So do you keep all the feasts and if so do you sacrifice, because look at Passover for example with no lamb there would be no passover, the day of atonement, no Lord's goat there would be no day of atonement.

Other than because God told us to and His wisdom is far greater than our rationalization?
Because it reminds us of what's been done and provides an opportunity to celebrate it.

God told you to what?

God told you to half-observe the explicit commands in the Law, spiritualizing the stuff you can't/won't do?

-JGIG

 

[crossnote]

KohenMatt-''If your faith is in keeping the Feasts to be obedient to our Savior, then yes we should.''

Scripture proof for that last sentence especially as it pertains to us peon gentiles.

John 14:5
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

To me, your response doesn't follow the question I asked. Please explain.

 

[JGIG]

Should Christians keep them to be saved? No.
Should Christians keep them to be obedient to the one who saved them? Yes.

Or what?

-JGIG

 

[Kaycie]

Should we still keep the 7 feasts?

No- the bible says if you keep part of a law you must then keep all of that law. Our feast today is a spiritual one- the Lord's Supper.

 

[crossnote]

Or what?

-JGIG

JGIG,
That may take a lawyer specializing in OT law to answer.
Welcome back.

 

[JGIG]

I don't go along with all this gossip about never acknowledging the shadow of anything. When light shine on anything there is a shadow, everyone wants to erase the shadow. Can't be done.

You keep Christmas and Easter. They are not mentioned in the bible at all. Yet you are against what is biblical as something we are to do. I dug up the report on the Nicene council that Constantine called for to see why they decided to make Passover illegal and put Easter in it's place when everyone knew it was a Christianized pagan holiday. The report said that it was because the terrible Jews honored Passover and anything they did should never be done by a Christian. Centuries later Hitler came along and worked with the Lutherans to outlaw the Old Testament as part of the bible because it was too Jewish.

But the glory of the Lord dispels all shadow . . . with the glory of the Lord there is no room for shadows. For example if you are in an open field where there are no trees, no object to cast a shadow - it is pure light. Jesus Christ is the true light which dispels shadow.

5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. (from 1 Jn. 1)


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-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

If one studies the process of events from the 10th day of Nisan onward through the Passover and the giving of the stone tables, it sheds light on the greatness of our Lord's sacrifice for us. It's the same as when Jesus entered Jerusalem right before the crucifixion to the time the Holy Ghost descended at Pentecost. The parallel is uncanny, and so precise. Blessings toward my you brother.

It's not a 'parallel', just-me, it's the fulfillment. A glory superior to the shadows which pointed to the Work of Christ.

You're advocating celebrating the shadows rather than resting in the One Who fulfilled them.

Your focus is off.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

But the glory of the Lord dispels all shadow . . . with the glory of the Lord there is no room for shadows. For example if you are in an open field where there are no trees, no object to cast a shadow - it is pure light. Jesus Christ is the true light which dispels shadow.

The light is for the purpose of casting the shadow on the substance that it shines on. If there is no shadow then there is no substance. Faith is substance. The shadow is for us to detect where the substance is located by the light.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come , we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

After faith the schoolmaster remains, for a schoolmaster, in the tradition for those Paul wrote to, this was to direct children to school without losing direction. After faith, we know the direction but the route stays the same. This direction that the schoolmaster showed us still remains for us to use and bring others to Christ.

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come , and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Hebrews 10:1

Physical temple worship never finished with sacrifices, but Jesus did. The physical Priesthood and the physical temple are gone, but our responsibility to reciprocate in the love of God is not. We live by EVERY word that God has ever spoken. That's the way Jesus warded of Satan during His 40 days of temptation.

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:" Philippians 2:5

Blessings toward you sis.

5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. (from 1 Jn. 1)


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-JGIG

 

[RedTent]

Remember the guy in Jesus time who put on a long face and sack cloth and said he was fasting? The one who wouldn't help a man in trouble so he wasn't working on the Sabbath? Christ didn't approve of such things.

Now we are spending time at the mall with Christmas lights and over spending for a thrill of material things to have for Christmas, with our kids sitting on Santa's lap and saying it is celebrating the birth of Christ. We sing "He is risen" on Easter morning with an Easter Egg hunt later and say it is to celebrate the risen Christ and pat ourselves on the back because it draws people to the church.

We have been given a program outline by the Lord for our celebrations that most people condemn while we like the ones that have been made by men. The celebrations God gave us has been protected through the many years from commercialism while our man made ones are taken to the market place.

Scripture tells us what God thinks of our putting our traditions before the words of the Lord. Some of the traditions scripture speaks against are ones originally suggested by the Lord but weren't to be done ritualistically, but to usher in spiritual truths. Our traditions are purely made up by man. I think if we had a prophet speaking for the Lord today, it would not be to tell us how great we are that we created our own way of worshipping the Lord and ditched any suggestions from the Lord of how to worship.

 

[crossnote]

John 4:21-24 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[JGIG]

John 14:5
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."

34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” (from John 13)​

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

JGIG,
That may take a lawyer specializing in OT law to answer.
Welcome back.

Thanks =o). I'll be popping in as I have time and feel led.

As for the 'or whats' of the Law, those who chose to live by the edicts of the Law keep only a very watered down version and completely ignore the consequences - according to the Law they claim to keep - resulting in a religion of their own making.

-JGIG

 

[fredjames]

If one studies the process of events from the 10th day of Nisan onward through the Passover and the giving of the stone tables, it sheds light on the greatness of our Lord's sacrifice for us. It's the same as when Jesus entered Jerusalem right before the crucifixion to the time the Holy Ghost descended at Pentecost. The parallel is uncanny, and so precise. Blessings toward my you brother.

Sorry to say this that to what i have been guided to reply to RedTent's comment, you in return sound like an outsider to me in your reply. i don't see or recognize any parallel between, JESUS going to Jerusalem before the crucifixion and the HOLY SPIRIT in the day of Pentecost.