Slain in the Spirit?
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Derren Brown, a British hypnotist, put people down in the same way, in his documentary about false television preachers.
So its more about how our brain works than about the Holy Spirit.
He was also able to perform most common "miracles" and "healing".
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When I was in a charismatic church, I had the opposite problem, I did not fall. Preachers were nervous because of it, tried to push me down by hands etc. Then they closed the case that I am bound by philosophy or what.
Some people are not sensitive to hypnosis, some are. You must be relaxed, you must cooperate etc.
So its more about how our brain works than about the Holy Spirit.
He was also able to perform most common "miracles" and "healing".
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When I was in a charismatic church, I had the opposite problem, I did not fall. Preachers were nervous because of it, tried to push me down by hands etc. Then they closed the case that I am bound by philosophy or what.
Some people are not sensitive to hypnosis, some are. You must be relaxed, you must cooperate etc.
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And that is EXACTLY WHY Christians should recognize that being "slain in the Spirit" is NOT from the Holy Spirit. There is not a single such incident in all of Scripture when anyone was divinely healed. We don't know which spirit causes such a phenomenon, but Christians should beware of anything that has no scriptural basis.
Well that depends on what one believes slain in the spirit is. For instance Paul encountered Jesus and fell to his face blinded and unable to move, we can see his falling to his face as bowing or it also could be he toppled over. Slain in the spirit is not a very well understood topic i myself have only experienced one occassion where one might say I was slain in the spirit.
How do you know I'm not emphatic towards my aunt or any alcoholic?
1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexualy immoral nor idolaters nor adulters nor homosexual offenders, nor denied thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanders nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you we're washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.
We are not supposed to judge hypocritically or condem others. And did you not judge me in saying "empathy, love lacking from you in her case isn't Christ working through you... "
No one gives The Holy Spirit except The Holy Spirit, one who has the indwelling of the spirit will have evidence. One who has the infilling which comes though obedience dose not get drunk at church.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexualy immoral nor idolaters nor adulters nor homosexual offenders, nor denied thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanders nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you we're washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.
We are not supposed to judge hypocritically or condem others. And did you not judge me in saying "empathy, love lacking from you in her case isn't Christ working through you... "
No one gives The Holy Spirit except The Holy Spirit, one who has the indwelling of the spirit will have evidence. One who has the infilling which comes though obedience dose not get drunk at church.
Righteousness should not be a mystery to us believers but many Christians have no idea what it means and how the truth of Jesus gift of righteousness effects their lives today. Many walk around as if they were never given this gift and while they were saved and given a righteous standing before God IN Christ., people walk around as if they must still earn their righteousness before God.
So in some cases it is a mystery to some., yes. Many are still trying to establish their own righteousness and are not experiencing the gift at all.
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Is the true Gospel preached? Is the congregation being instructed in rightieosness? Do they know they know why Christ died on the cross?
Does reseaving gold teeth make someone aware of their sins? Do they love Jesus as he truly is? What about when it comes time to be chastised, what will they make of it?
Why shouldn't I care what happens to other Christians, they are family in Christ and can be taken advantage of.
Does reseaving gold teeth make someone aware of their sins? Do they love Jesus as he truly is? What about when it comes time to be chastised, what will they make of it?
Why shouldn't I care what happens to other Christians, they are family in Christ and can be taken advantage of.
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I honestly don't get slain in the Spirit, but when I've seen it, the person went neither back nor forward. They went DOWN. A crumpled heap.
I still don't get it. I don't think it serves God nor Man. But I think it's something. What? No idea!
And I think it's something because I know a man who went down that just shouldn't have. He's my dad. Dad was a chemical engineer with a genius level IQ. (Dad is still alive, but he has Alzheimer's, so the rational man that was Dad is gone. He lives on emotional instinct now.) Very rational to the point of not very emotional, or, at least, it had to be a huge emotion before he showed any. (His father, mother, and Mom dying brought tears. His son rejecting him brought tears. Four out of five times I've ever seen or heard Dad cry.) PLUS, he's Catholic, and the kind of Catholic who thinks evolution is true, none of the OT is -- it's just stories to tell something to ignorant people -- and the kind of Catholic who thinks heaven is when God lets him visit every planet out there. So, clearly not a Christian, and no particular reason he would be controlled into a fall. I would think you'd be more likely to be "slain in the spirit" than Dad. That foreign a concept.
And yet, he did go to some kind of churchy kind of function, (he went to mass and tithed 10% religiously), and he was prayed over, and he did clump to the ground.
And you know what he got out of it? "That was weird."
No change in him other than something happened that he can't figure out.
So, I'm still at "slain in the spirit" is something, but absolutely no idea what.
I still don't get it. I don't think it serves God nor Man. But I think it's something. What? No idea!
And I think it's something because I know a man who went down that just shouldn't have. He's my dad. Dad was a chemical engineer with a genius level IQ. (Dad is still alive, but he has Alzheimer's, so the rational man that was Dad is gone. He lives on emotional instinct now.) Very rational to the point of not very emotional, or, at least, it had to be a huge emotion before he showed any. (His father, mother, and Mom dying brought tears. His son rejecting him brought tears. Four out of five times I've ever seen or heard Dad cry.) PLUS, he's Catholic, and the kind of Catholic who thinks evolution is true, none of the OT is -- it's just stories to tell something to ignorant people -- and the kind of Catholic who thinks heaven is when God lets him visit every planet out there. So, clearly not a Christian, and no particular reason he would be controlled into a fall. I would think you'd be more likely to be "slain in the spirit" than Dad. That foreign a concept.
And yet, he did go to some kind of churchy kind of function, (he went to mass and tithed 10% religiously), and he was prayed over, and he did clump to the ground.
And you know what he got out of it? "That was weird."
No change in him other than something happened that he can't figure out.
So, I'm still at "slain in the spirit" is something, but absolutely no idea what.
When I might have been slain in the spirit it happened out of nowhere I lost all my strength suddenly like not even just tired I mean I didn't even have the strength to speak but the second that happened I was in fathers arms and he was pouring deep love and affection into me, in his arms I knew was home and I never wanted to leave that place.
I mean being if being slain in the spirit is losing all your strength suddenly and then being in fathers arms I hope be slain again soon lol
I mean being if being slain in the spirit is losing all your strength suddenly and then being in fathers arms I hope be slain again soon lol
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Ah, then you got what Dad got, except you thought it out differently than he did. (He's too rationally set to even bring God into the picture for reasons, and yet he still couldn't come up with a rational reason anyway.)
But you also have come away with about where I landed -- obviously something, but since it meant nothing, it wasn't that big a something.
But you also have come away with about where I landed -- obviously something, but since it meant nothing, it wasn't that big a something.
Your concern should arise when a church denies Christ, not to those that proclaim Him. To what end do the miracles occur? Who is glorified? Why do signs and wonders bring criticism, as opposed to worship? The fault lies not in those witnessing it and praising God, but to those in opposition to them. They think that anything not in the Bible cannot be of God yet God's word speaks of there not being enough books to record all that Jesus did. Who knows what He did that we don't know of?
God all throughout history kept doing a new thing, one after the other. History may repeat itself but history must first be made. In that case, why not praise God for something fresh and new? Something unheard of? God's word said that He worked special miracles through His apostle, such that people were healed by his shadow, or healed by handkerchiefs. Do you suppose that people freaked out because such things were not in the Torah? No, they sought their healing and gave praise to God.
Our concern shouldn't be with what is happening, necessarily, but with how we are reacting to it. Is God glorified? Is Christ preached? Are souls saved? Then praise God! There is nothing wrong with being fascinated with what God is doing in the Earth and desiring to witness it. It brings one closer to the Lord, strengthens their faith, and ultimately brings reverence.
God all throughout history kept doing a new thing, one after the other. History may repeat itself but history must first be made. In that case, why not praise God for something fresh and new? Something unheard of? God's word said that He worked special miracles through His apostle, such that people were healed by his shadow, or healed by handkerchiefs. Do you suppose that people freaked out because such things were not in the Torah? No, they sought their healing and gave praise to God.
Our concern shouldn't be with what is happening, necessarily, but with how we are reacting to it. Is God glorified? Is Christ preached? Are souls saved? Then praise God! There is nothing wrong with being fascinated with what God is doing in the Earth and desiring to witness it. It brings one closer to the Lord, strengthens their faith, and ultimately brings reverence.
Not why I asked the question though. I'll rephrase.
Is drunkenness rightieous? No.
Back to my other question.
If someone is touched by The Holy Spirit in such a way that they are knocked down to the ground, should that not make a dramatic change in their sinful behavior? Something big happened because of God, yet God doesn't make the sinful desire to drink disappear?
God wants us to obey, if we are filled with His spirit we do His will simply as an outcome.
Is drunkenness rightieous? No.
Back to my other question.
If someone is touched by The Holy Spirit in such a way that they are knocked down to the ground, should that not make a dramatic change in their sinful behavior? Something big happened because of God, yet God doesn't make the sinful desire to drink disappear?
God wants us to obey, if we are filled with His spirit we do His will simply as an outcome.
You do not know what that person may be experiencing in that moment of surrender. Whether that person is receiving something from the Lord, having a vision, an out of body experience, or are in a trance. All these things are in His word, mind you. The fruit speaks for itself. Ask a person who has been slain what did that experience do for them. Don't simply judge because you do not understand it.