Slain in the Spirit?

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Ah, but it's necessary to seek more than healing, we are to seek truth.

How many have been slain in the Spirit since the beginning of the charismatic movement? More than both of us could count together. Now if being slain is so prominent, if its the way so many miracles of healing and the infilling of the spirit happen, then at least once it should be mentioned in Scripture. It should be unquestionable that falling backwards happens.

Now not every miracle Jesus and the apostles performed are in Scripture, but I firmly believe we have everything we need to know.
We also see that healing had a certain purpose, to validate Christ and the apostles for the cause of establishing Christ Church and to bring glory to God. Not to make all believers well.
I've known people who were healed of cancer and heart attacks, yet Jesus healed no one of either. Does that mean no one has ever been healed of cancer or heart attacks?

Come on. This is the raspberry argument. "Raspberries aren't in the Bible, therefore raspberries don't exist." (BTW, I'm fine if you go with that. More raspberries for me. lol)
 
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The fruits of The Holy Spirit are characteristics seen in born again believers, not feelings.

Galatians 5:19-23. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealously, fits of rage, and envy; drunkneness, origies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruits if the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.

I put "self control" in bold letters to make another point, that falling backwards and or laughing uncontrollably is not self control.
Blain has the fruit of love.
 

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BTW, you took those verses out of context and context is important. Paul was teaching the Corinthians how to deal with the impenitent in the church. Of course sinners don't inherit God's kingdom. But he will forgive us sinners if we repent, even if we need to repent often, because we backslide. Salvation has nothing to do with the cut of our jib or the strength of our determinism.
The subject was my aunt in church. And we can go back again to look at the fruits of the sinful nature and the fruits of The Holy Spirit.
 
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Well, if you say so. But when did you sincerely ask accept Christ as the master and saviour of your life, before or after the drugs?
Before.

Come on! God saves when God saves. Look at the history of the patriarchs. Abraham was saved when he lied about his wife -- twice -- to avoid dealing with the Egyptians and when he got the handmaiden pregnant. (Forgot her name.) Moses was saved when he hit that rock twice. David was saved when he killed Uriah to nab his wife. Even as believers we still make some gigantic bozo moves!
 

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Before.

Come on! God saves when God saves. Look at the history of the patriarchs. Abraham was saved when he lied about his wife -- twice -- to avoid dealing with the Egyptians and when he got the handmaiden pregnant. (Forgot her name.) Moses was saved when he hit that rock twice. David was saved when he killed Uriah to nab his wife. Even as believers we still make some gigantic bozo moves!
Yes, but not continual sin, not a life style of sin. My aunt is still an alcoholic, she never stopped drinking,.
 
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Before.

Come on! God saves when God saves. Look at the history of the patriarchs. Abraham was saved when he lied about his wife -- twice -- to avoid dealing with the Egyptians and when he got the handmaiden pregnant. (Forgot her name.) Moses was saved when he hit that rock twice. David was saved when he killed Uriah to nab his wife. Even as believers we still make some gigantic bozo moves!
Hagar.............
 
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The subject was my aunt in church. And we can go back again to look at the fruits of the sinful nature and the fruits of The Holy Spirit.
I get that, but you never said whether she was repenting, but weak, or haughty and thinking God doesn't mind.

I really don't think smoking is a sin, but it sure is stupid. I have tried, with God's help, to quit many times. Am I not saved because I don't have enough self-control? If I needed self-control to be saved in the first place, than... well, gee whiz, didn't you just put us down as Arminians?
 
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Yes, but not continual sin, not a life style of sin. My aunt is still an alcoholic, she never stopped drinking,.
Once on Mount Athos there was a monk who lived in Karyes. He drank and got drunk every day and was the cause of scandal to the pilgrims. Eventually he died and this relieved some of the faithful who went on to tell Elder Paisios that they were delighted that this huge problem was finally solved.

Father Paisios answered them that he knew about the death of the monk, after seeing the entire battalion of angels who came to collect his soul. The pilgrims were amazed and some protested and tried to explain to the Elder of whom they were talking about, thinking that the Elder did not understand.

Elder Paisios explained to them: "This particular monk was born in Asia Minor, shortly before the destruction by the Turks when they gathered all the boys. So as not to take him from their parents, they would take him with them to the reaping, and so he wouldn't cry, they just put raki into his milk in order for him to sleep. Therefore he grew up as an alcoholic. There he found an elder and said to him that he was an alcoholic. The elder told him to do prostrations and prayers every night and beg the Panagia to help him to reduce by one the glasses he drank.

After a year he managed with struggle and repentance to make the 20 glasses he drank into 19 glasses. The struggle continued over the years and he reached 2-3 glasses, with which he would still get drunk."

The world for years saw an alcoholic monk who scandalized the pilgrims, but God saw a fighter who fought a long struggle to reduce his passion.

Without knowing what each one is trying to do what he wants to do, what right do we have to judge his effort?

Source: Translated by John Sanidopoulos
 
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Are you certain? Is "something physical" all that can happen?
Nothing changed. Dad was a devote Catholic before he went down and a devote Catholic to this day. (He doesn't believe 80-90% of the Bible either.) And, nothing will change, because now that he has Alzheimer's, he can't think enough to suss it out. If it was God, shouldn't something have changed Dad since that day? It was over a decade ago.
 

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No one saying he doesn't. But the fruits of the Spirit are not feelings.
No they are not.

But would not say that often we have to overcome feelings to manifest fruit of the spirit?

After all love is not a feeling but an act of ones will.
 

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I get that, but you never said whether she was repenting, but weak, or haughty and thinking God doesn't mind.

I really don't think smoking is a sin, but it sure is stupid. I have tried, with God's help, to quit many times. Am I not saved because I don't have enough self-control? If I needed self-control to be saved in the first place, than... well, gee whiz, didn't you just put us down as Arminians?
I never said she can't be saved. What I did say is that she shows no evidence whatsoever of Christ living with in her.

The argument is. If she is being filled with the Holy Spirit then why does she behave like she is filled with the devil?
 

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When I was young, a group of us got together and studied the Bible together. At the end of the meeting we stood, held hands, and prayed. I started seeing green, which is always the first sign of passing out, but I didn't want to bother anyone.

So, sure nuff, I passed out. Was awake by the time I hit the floor. Immediately, everyone wanted to know if I was slain in the spirit.

Nope. Just passed out. :eek:
I did not see any green when starting to fall while being prayed for. I did not feel like I was going to pass out. Your experience reminds me of one time I was about to pass out at work. I started to move in slow motion ringing up the merchandise. Then I stopped doing that all together. I was lightheaded, anxious, and started to shake a lot. I felt my heart rate slowing down. I was told my face went white. Once I sat down a ate a bunch of skittles and drank some of a high sugar drink, the color began to come back to my face and I began to feel better. I did not see green, but thank you for telling me about that. Now I know that is another warning sign of fainting.
 

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Not why I asked the question though. I'll rephrase.
Is drunkenness rightieous? No.

Back to my other question.
If someone is touched by The Holy Spirit in such a way that they are knocked down to the ground, should that not make a dramatic change in their sinful behavior? Something big happened because of God, yet God doesn't make the sinful desire to drink disappear?

God wants us to obey, if we are filled with His spirit we do His will simply as an outcome.

Since a person is born again and their soul is saved and they know they have Jesus and they have been sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise....,, shouldn't that change their lives too? Of course!! but we have this treasure in earthen vessels. And the Lord knows our physical frame that we are but dust. Yet the Holy Spirit is always with us despite our many stupid actions to the contrary. He has patience to teach us, lead us and and conform us and comfort us all through the process.

That is why we should not be looking at people according to the flesh. No more than we should be looking at ourselves according to the flesh. Emphasis on verse 16***** 2 Cor.5:14-21


[SUP]14 [/SUP]For the love of Christ controls and urges and impels us, because we are of the opinion and conviction that [if] One died for all, then all died;
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15 [/SUP]And He died for all, so that all those who live might live no longer to and for themselves, but to and for Him Who died and was raised again for their sake.
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16 [/SUP]Consequently, from now on we estimate and regard no one from a [purely] human point of view [in terms of natural standards of value]. [No] even though we once did estimate Christ from a human viewpoint and as a man, yet now [we have such knowledge of Him that] we know Him no longer [in terms of the flesh].
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17 [/SUP]Therefore if any person is [ingrafted] in Christ (the Messiah) he is a new creation (a new creature altogether); the old [previous moral and spiritual condition] has passed away. Behold, the fresh and new has come!
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18 [/SUP]But all things are from God, Who through Jesus Christ reconciled us to Himself [received us into favor, brought us into harmony with Himself] and gave to us the ministry of reconciliation [that by word and deed we might aim to bring others into harmony with Him].
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19 [/SUP]It was God [personally present] in Christ, reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against [men] their trespasses [but cancelling them], and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor).
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20 [/SUP]So we are Christ’s ambassadors, God making His appeal as it were through us. We [as Christ’s personal representatives] beg you for His sake to lay hold of the divine favor [now offered you] and be reconciled to God.
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21 [/SUP]For our sake He made Christ [virtually] to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become [[SUP][a][/SUP]endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of] the righteousness of God [what we ought to be, approved and acceptable and in right relationship with Him, by His goodness].


We should be endeavoring each day to see ourselves and others as God sees us. Loved and Righteous IN Christ. Especially our brothers and sisters in Christ who are going through trials and endeavoring to share what they have been learning.

We don't automatically know how to walk in the power of the Holy Spirit. This is a learned process we go through all through our lives. It's like expecting every man in the family to have a full grown beard when they are young. They need time to age. Often times there are believers who cut their brothers and sisters off at the knees with expectations of perfection in their flesh when they have yet to learn how to walk consistently in the Spirit.

The renewing of our minds takes time. We have been given a new mind but it takes time to work it out by faith.
Putting off the old manner of life and putting on the new manner of life is a process. Some Christians are further along than others. Some have not gotten the teaching. Some are still babies in Christ at the age of 50 because they have yet to successfully put off the old manner of living. Many are still condemning themselves for their old lives and don't know that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

So we should be reminding one another of these truths and assisting the Holy Spirit by repeating the truth of the Bible.

 
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Yes, but not continual sin, not a life style of sin. My aunt is still an alcoholic, she never stopped drinking,.
Back to Corinthians. Has anyone, (including you), told her that's not what God wants? Has anyone reminder her of her weakness in such a way that she would call on the Lord?

Addict here -- I still remember how hard it is to quit an addiction, because I'm still stuck with one. I sympathize with your aunt. I feel horrible if no one has told her the truth though, because either they're busy thinking she's fine or busy judging her. The least of her problems is going down after having hands laid on her. I'm much more concerned about her than her floor time.
 
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I never said she can't be saved. What I did say is that she shows no evidence whatsoever of Christ living with in her.
I'd be cautious saying an unsaved person is "filled with the devil" brother.

However, many people today have been hoodwinked, via easy believe-ism, that there is no evidence of conversion. Scripture of course teaches the contrary. :)
 

Innerfire89

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Once on Mount Athos there was a monk who lived in Karyes. He drank and got drunk every day and was the cause of scandal to the pilgrims. Eventually he died and this relieved some of the faithful who went on to tell Elder Paisios that they were delighted that this huge problem was finally solved.

Father Paisios answered them that he knew about the death of the monk, after seeing the entire battalion of angels who came to collect his soul. The pilgrims were amazed and some protested and tried to explain to the Elder of whom they were talking about, thinking that the Elder did not understand.

Elder Paisios explained to them: "This particular monk was born in Asia Minor, shortly before the destruction by the Turks when they gathered all the boys. So as not to take him from their parents, they would take him with them to the reaping, and so he wouldn't cry, they just put raki into his milk in order for him to sleep. Therefore he grew up as an alcoholic. There he found an elder and said to him that he was an alcoholic. The elder told him to do prostrations and prayers every night and beg the Panagia to help him to reduce by one the glasses he drank.

After a year he managed with struggle and repentance to make the 20 glasses he drank into 19 glasses. The struggle continued over the years and he reached 2-3 glasses, with which he would still get drunk."

The world for years saw an alcoholic monk who scandalized the pilgrims, but God saw a fighter who fought a long struggle to reduce his passion.

Without knowing what each one is trying to do what he wants to do, what right do we have to judge his effort?

Source: Translated by John Sanidopoulos
Yeah but, that story isn't about my aunt. Lol.

Our own effort is not enough, only through Christ can we make any progress.