So what about the fourth commandment?

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disciplemike said:
A good example of faith - Abraham.

In Genesis 22, God told Abraham to go and sacrifice his son, Isaac. (a very dramatic turn of events!)
However, this is what most people might not think about. I think ole Abraham probably smiled a little on the inside.
You see, God had already promised Abraham, even before Isaac was born, that through Isaac, and Isaac's seed, the world would be blessed. (Genesis 17)

Abraham was absolutely positive that God would keep that promise. So Abraham knew that even if he killed Isaac, somehow God would bring him back to life, in order to keep that promise. (Heb 11)
Abraham had faith in that promise.

So, when someone says a person is placing their "faith" in keeping the Sabbath, it is just a wrong use of the word "faith".
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I completely agree with you. A person can't place their faith in keeping the Sabbath.

Faith would be more like having faith that the Lord Jesus Christ gives us Rest.
 
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disciplemike said:
In Leviticus 23, the weekly Sabbath is mentioned first, in the detailed list of "Feast" of the LORD. (KJV)

So what does "Feast" mean?

It is an appointment with God. It is a day to spend in fellowship with God, and also like-minded believers.

Who does not want a day to spend with God???
(a day that He chose, as the appointed time)

We were told it is bondage. We were told it was for the "Jews". We were told it does not apply to us.
We were lied to.
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Up until the time of reformation who was it that said that shadow pointed to the eternal rest we will receive in our new bodies is applied to the Jew and not Gentile? Or is there no ceremonial laws that apply to the Sabbaths?

Why do you have this fear in regard to defining ceremonial laws?
 
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Talishi said:
You forget that Abraham also had an elder son.

"And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation." -- El Shaddai, to Abram, Genesis 17:20
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Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

If you look at this verse God gave the credit to Isaac. The Hebrew word for 'only son" can also be described as the chosen one. Isaac was always the chosen one in God's eyes :)
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

If you look at this verse God gave the credit to Isaac. The Hebrew word for 'only son" can also be described as the chosen one. Isaac was always the chosen one in God's eyes :)
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Amen..God only recognized His own work that He had done in Abraham and Sarah by saying to Abram - "Take your son, your only son.." God doesn't recognize what we do in the flesh to try to "fulfill the word of God" in the sense that it is not born from Him.

He does also seem to look after the "things" we have created in our own effort to some degree as He did for Ishmael
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
If you look at this verse God gave the credit to Isaac. The Hebrew word for 'only son" can also be described as the chosen one. Isaac was always the chosen one in God's eyes :)
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I would have been greatly surprised to see writings by Isaac's descendants admit the other fellow was the chosen one. In an aside it is interesting that the younger son(s) of the patriarchs seemed to be ones who made out. Isaac here, Jacob for Isaac, Judah for Jacob, Shelah and Pharez for Judah, etc...
 
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Talishi said:
I would have been greatly surprised to see writings by Isaac's descendants admit the other fellow was the chosen one. In an aside it is interesting that the younger son(s) of the patriarchs seemed to be ones who made out. Isaac here, Jacob for Isaac, Judah for Jacob, Shelah and Pharez for Judah, etc...
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Good point.

Only two people are called son's of God. Adam and Jesus. Guess who is the chosen One :)
 
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That would be about right. Does not scripture say something about - not doing your own thing in GOD's holy time ?
How is it people don't know that ?
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well, we don't want to follow man-made rules... the scripture doesn't mention hang gliding... so it's up to each person to decide if it fits with the scriptures
 
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Dan_473 said:
well... is hang gliding on the sabbath ok?

who decides?
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only God can decide. we know this.
I am not here to debate hang gliding, but you can't let it be up to each person.

each one will do what is right in his own eyes. historically, this doesn't end well.
 
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only God can decide. we know this.
I am not here to debate hang gliding, but you can't let it be up to each person.

each one will do what is right in his own eyes. historically, this doesn't end well.
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right! only God can decide.

the scriptures don't tell us what God decided about hang gliding on the sabbath.

that's why it's up to each person... to figure out for themselves what God decided...
 
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Dan_473 said:
right! only God can decide.

the scriptures don't tell us what God decided about hang gliding on the sabbath.

that's why it's up to each person... to figure out for themselves what God decided...
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that is called "private interpretation'.

there is enough supporting Scripture to give the answer to your "hang gliding" question if you are serious enough to look.
 
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The problem I see is many who argue against the Sabbath do so like a pharisee. Imposing rules that are not there. They take the scripture and interpret it making it legalistic. while they themselves do not lift a finger in that direction they impose harsh rules that they think are bible based on those who suggest it should be kept.

Its weird to say the least that people who think themselves free would impose legalism on those who honour Jesus.
 
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gotime said:
The problem I see is many who argue against the Sabbath do so like a pharisee. Imposing rules that are not there. They take the scripture and interpret it making it legalistic. while they themselves do not lift a finger in that direction they impose harsh rules that they think are bible based on those who suggest it should be kept.

Its weird to say the least that people who think themselves free would impose legalism on those who honour Jesus.
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ps this is not meant to be a blanket statement.
 
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disciplemike said:
that is called "private interpretation'.

there is enough supporting Scripture to give the answer to your "hang gliding" question if you are serious enough to look.
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sounds like you've found the answer to the "hang gliding" question. What's the answer?
 
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gotime said:
The problem I see is many who argue against the Sabbath do so like a pharisee. Imposing rules that are not there. They take the scripture and interpret it making it legalistic. while they themselves do not lift a finger in that direction they impose harsh rules that they think are bible based on those who suggest it should be kept.

Its weird to say the least that people who think themselves free would impose legalism on those who honour Jesus.
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exactly! "Imposing rules that are not there."
 
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gotime said:
The problem I see is many who argue against the Sabbath do so like a pharisee. Imposing rules that are not there.
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There is a commandment that says, "Thou shall not permit a sorceress to live."

James 2:10 says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

So when Sabbatarians start calling for killing Wiccans on sight, I'll listen to what they have to say about keeping Saturday holy.
 
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Talishi said:
There is a commandment that says, "Thou shall not permit a sorceress to live."

James 2:10 says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

So when Sabbatarians start calling for killing Wiccans on sight, I'll listen to what they have to say about keeping Saturday holy.
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that sounds smart. not.
 
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Talishi said:
There is a commandment that says, "Thou shall not permit a sorceress to live."

James 2:10 says, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

So when Sabbatarians start calling for killing Wiccans on sight, I'll listen to what they have to say about keeping Saturday holy.
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it would be better if you took time to study the text you quoted ... in the Hebrew language it does not say to kill a sorceress but rather that they not be permitted to make a living... sometimes study into the original language can shed light on a given verse. and also it needs to be noted that in those days and times they were living under a theocracy (God was king) however it is not so now, we must live peaceably among all men where it be possible , even in our
Saviors time the jewish leaders were limited by the roman authority so this claim and the logic behind it is flawed in its nature and content
 
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