Stop beating the kids! Spiritual abuse of Christians

[royalscot]

a god through jesus thoughts, backed with scripture and in line with scripture, is something a milk person cannot do.
spiritual gifts , do not come fully built, you have to grow them as well.

but that s clear reading some of the post on this forum.

for example

in living under an old covenant , you are towing the law, so when the law catches up with you. it will put you under condemnation. so going to church each week you will get your weekly fix of peace and a sense of renewal. (to keep it shot)

25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.Romans 3

but you are still under gods protection (believers )
5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith--Galatians 3

ie. not everyone is a leader in a church or a sect.

 

[JIMBO43]

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Wow...does anyone on this forum ever bury the bone?

You cant bury scars you learn how to live with them

 

[Willie-T]

Now I guess I will research the Vineyard and this guy....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdaxc3VIJI

He has a lot of sermons..wow.

I'm not sure I would have leap-frogged over hundreds of more basic lessons, and gone right to his suggestion of 5 steps of healing before you even discover what he thinks healing is, why he believes in it, and how it may affect our lives and walk. At one point you would have learned that after years, and he first began to pray for healing, he and a team of people prayed with absolutely NO RESULTS for more than eight months, straight. In fact, they sometimes actually caught the illnesses they were praying for with people.

This man is more straight forward and down-to-earth, unpreachy, and flat-out human than probably any preacher/teacher you have ever met. It infuriates a lot of people who expect a preacher to have practiced how to properly say "Thou" and "Lawarddd" with the appropriately acceptable KJV tremor and thunder in their voice before they get in a pulpit.

Did you know he was confused that he couldn't find an ashtray the first time he was invited to church?

 

[Stephen63]

Now I guess I will research the Vineyard and this guy....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdaxc3VIJI

He has a lot of sermons..wow.

I'm watching it too..... 2 things I've already noticed:
1. No scripture is used at all.

Acts 6:1Now at this time while the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint arose on the part of the Hellenistic Jews against the native Hebrews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food. 2So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. 3“Therefore, brethren, select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task. 4“But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”

2. Use of trigger words. At 4:53, he makes a suspicious statement that we operate in the natural realm and the spiritual, or cosmic realm. That phraseology is strictly New Age.

 

[PeterJens]

I'm not sure I would have leap-frogged over hundreds of more basic lessons, and gone right to his suggestion of 5 steps of healing before you even discover what he thinks healing is, why he believes in it, and how it may affect our lives and walk. At one point you would have learned that after years, and he first began to pray for healing, he and a team of people prayed with absolutely NO RESULTS for more than eight months, straight. In fact, they sometimes actually caught the illnesses they were praying for with people.

This man is more straight forward and down-to-earth, unpreachy, and flat-out human than probably any preacher/teacher you have ever met. It infuriates a lot of people who expect a preacher to have practiced how to properly say "Thou" and "Lawarddd" with the appropriately acceptable KJV tremor and thunder in their voice before they get in a pulpit.

Did you know he was confused that he couldn't find an ashtray the first time he was invited to church?

Is praying for healing a school of prayer, where you have a lot of practice
patients until you get the formula right?

If you look at what is being done and suggested this is the result.

In acts Paul in Ephesus. At some point everything becomes a healing
event. But this was unusual. Paul did not seemingly seek it, but the
Lord blessed in this way. The impression I get in acts is they are not
seeking mass healing, they are just following the Lord.

This desire for legitimacy through healing to my mind is wrong.
It is the cart before the horse. Find God and His ways and healing will
follow.

It is like having schools for tongue babbling. Just babble away and you
will learn your tongue. Sounds more like making an event rather than
seeking a gift.

A look at at the prophetic stuff that is around. Most of it is junk, nut
cases spouting off self delusional stuff. So what is the point. It appears
to make more confusion than good life changing stuff.

Following Christ is about Christ with an open heart and in love. What is
a problem is when closed people end up dabbling in spiritual things not of the
Lord, because the spiritual becomes more important than the truth.

 

[Stephen63]

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Wow...does anyone on this forum ever bury the bone?

I have a Jack Russel mix that looks like his twin brother! The only difference is Oscar is 14 & graying. That pic is awesome!

 

[Willie-T]

I'm watching it too..... 2 things I've already noticed:
1. No scripture is used at all.

Acts 6:1Now at this time while the disciples were increasing in number, a complaint arose on the part of the Hellenistic Jews against the native Hebrews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily serving of food. 2So the twelve summoned the congregation of the disciples and said, “It is not desirable for us to neglect the word of God in order to serve tables. 3“Therefore, brethren, select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may put in charge of this task. 4“But we will devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.”

2. Use of trigger words. At 4:53, he makes a suspicious statement that we operate in the natural realm and the spiritual, or cosmic realm. That phraseology is strictly New Age.

You are so silly. John hardly goes five minutes without speaking pure Bible. And you are sitting there, waiting for some book names and numbers to be quoted. Do you know that Jesus would be absolutely howling at foolishness like that?

And I can hardly believe the nonsense of saying the word "cosmic" being "New Age."

 

[Willie-T]

Is praying for healing a school of prayer, where you have a lot of practice
patients until you get the formula right?

If you look at what is being done and suggested this is the result.

In acts Paul in Ephesus. At some point everything becomes a healing
event. But this was unusual. Paul did not seemingly seek it, but the
Lord blessed in this way. The impression I get in acts is they are not
seeking mass healing, they are just following the Lord.

This desire for legitimacy through healing to my mind is wrong.
It is the cart before the horse. Find God and His ways and healing will
follow.

It is like having schools for tongue babbling. Just babble away and you
will learn your tongue. Sounds more like making an event rather than
seeking a gift.

A look at at the prophetic stuff that is around. Most of it is junk, nut
cases spouting off self delusional stuff. So what is the point. It appears
to make more confusion than good life changing stuff.

Following Christ is about Christ with an open heart and in love. What is
a problem is when closed people end up dabbling in spiritual things not of the
Lord, because the spiritual becomes more important than the truth.

I hope sometime He does, but frankly, with the frozen heart you seem to cherish, I seriously doubt you will ever hear God in this way.

 

[Ariel82]

I'm not sure I would have leap-frogged over hundreds of more basic lessons, and gone right to his suggestion of 5 steps of healing before you even discover what he thinks healing is, why he believes in it, and how it may affect our lives and walk. At one point you would have learned that after years, and he first began to pray for healing, he and a team of people prayed with absolutely NO RESULTS for more than eight months, straight. In fact, they sometimes actually caught the illnesses they were praying for with people.

This man is more straight forward and down-to-earth, unpreachy, and flat-out human than probably any preacher/teacher you have ever met. It infuriates a lot of people who expect a preacher to have practiced how to properly say "Thou" and "Lawarddd" with the appropriately acceptable KJV tremor and thunder in their voice before they get in a pulpit.

Did you know he was confused that he couldn't find an ashtray the first time he was invited to church?

Random Google search of his name popped up with that video...gotta start somewhere and they aren't by date preached.

 

[royalscot]

Is praying for healing a school of prayer, where you have a lot of practice
patients until you get the formula right?

If you look at what is being done and suggested this is the result.

In acts Paul in Ephesus. At some point everything becomes a healing
event. But this was unusual. Paul did not seemingly seek it, but the
Lord blessed in this way. The impression I get in acts is they are not
seeking mass healing, they are just following the Lord.

This desire for legitimacy through healing to my mind is wrong.
It is the cart before the horse. Find God and His ways and healing will
follow.

It is like having schools for tongue babbling. Just babble away and you
will learn your tongue. Sounds more like making an event rather than
seeking a gift.

A look at at the prophetic stuff that is around. Most of it is junk, nut
cases spouting off self delusional stuff. So what is the point. It appears
to make more confusion than good life changing stuff.

Following Christ is about Christ with an open heart and in love. What is
a problem is when closed people end up dabbling in spiritual things not of the
Lord, because the spiritual becomes more important than the truth.

not of the lord. you better reread your own opinion.

5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith--Galatians 3

 

[royalscot]

Random Google search of his name popped up with that video...gotta start somewhere and they aren't by date preached.

there is not a basic lesson. you either believe in jesus or you don t.

Originally Posted by Willie-T

I'm not sure I would have leap-frogged over hundreds of more basic lessons, and gone right to his suggestion of 5 steps of healing before you even discover what he thinks healing is, why he believes in it, and how it may affect our lives and walk. At one point you would have learned that after years, and he first began to pray for healing, he and a team of people prayed with absolutely NO RESULTS for more than eight months, straight. In fact, they sometimes actually caught the illnesses they were praying for with people.

This man is more straight forward and down-to-earth, unpreachy, and flat-out human than probably any preacher/teacher you have ever met. It infuriates a lot of people who expect a preacher to have practiced how to properly say "Thou" and "Lawarddd" with the appropriately acceptable KJV tremor and thunder in their voice before they get in a pulpit.

Did you know he was confused that he couldn't find an ashtray the first time he was invited to church?


that s too the both quotes.


For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

cornilous already believed there was a god. before he sent for peter.

must of been edited out, some people understanding.with (acts 10 and 15) been quoted many times.

 

[PeterJens]

I hope sometime He does, but frankly, with the frozen heart you seem to cherish, I seriously doubt you will ever hear God in this way.

It is interesting to me you regard me as having a frozen heart.
Is this because I do not know Christ love, His word, His flowing, His healing?

No its because I am not into spiritual power for its own sake.
The power of Christ is only through the cross, yet what is spoken is so little
about sin and repentance, getting right with God and walking in love, it is just
about this spiritual authority. It suggests to me this is a different gospel and
a different message. If I listen to this message it is based on just a spirit of
power not repentance. The fruit is wrong, the teaching is wrong and the results
are wrong.

Listen to righteousness and walking in His ways. This is not talked about, literally.
So the congregations are empty and focused on show and success measured by
spiritual signs, but nothing else. And if you preach the real gospel these people
will accuse you of not knowing Christ. So whatever this is, it is not Christ and His
work.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Spiritual abuse is anything that takes away from the reality of who God is

Grace77777777

 

[royalscot]

It is interesting to me you regard me as having a frozen heart.
Is this because I do not know Christ love, His word, His flowing, His healing?

No its because I am not into spiritual power for its own sake.
The power of Christ is only through the cross, yet what is spoken is so little
about sin and repentance, getting right with God and walking in love, it is just
about this spiritual authority. It suggests to me this is a different gospel and
a different message. If I listen to this message it is based on just a spirit of
power not repentance. The fruit is wrong, the teaching is wrong and the results
are wrong.

Listen to righteousness and walking in His ways. This is not talked about, literally.
So the congregations are empty and focused on show and success measured by
spiritual signs, but nothing else. And if you preach the real gospel these people
will accuse you of not knowing Christ. So whatever this is, it is not Christ and His
work.

when did you have to listen to righteousness.

it was a gift. in romans 5 with grace. from pentecoste to present day. to all nation all believers. who believe in jesus.

 

[royalscot]

Grace77777777

no believe in a god is not the same as walking in a old testament v new testament.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Our past is not our identity. We are who we really are because of what our Father says we are because we are in Christ.

Grace777X77

 

[royalscot]

Child abuse triggers | Pannone



I believe that Satan has placed his demon posssessed minions among the church that abuse young Christians so that they have "triggers" that cause them remember the abuse and do a 180 whenever they hear a word or phrase.

His purpose is to divide and isolate people so that they can't be a fully functional parts of the True body of Christ. He uses this tactic to make people avoid churches because of their past negative experiences.

How do you recognize the wolves? The Bible tells us. (will post scriptures when I get a chance)

How do you heal from the abuse or help others heal?

I am not sure. Perhaps you could tell me. I only know God healed me through prayer and love of true born again believers.

I thought if we looked at how physical, emotional and mental abused survivors recover, might help us learn how we might help those who are spiritually abused also.

could you list the difference between sick or ill, because so many go to the doctor and go to the church in that same week.
and since you blame evil, i would like scripture from you to back up your logic to writing this post because the difference in time frame of history would date the bible around 120 ad last book, and doctors to present day. etc

 

[Ariel82]

Royalscot, define Spiritual abuse and we can talk...otherwise, I don't see the point.

 

[royalscot]

you define your own post you were ask, so you define your own topic.

 

[Ariel82]

I did. U just choose not to listen. So why repeat myself?