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So my open heart, my emotions, the very things that make me are nothing.
Sin and repentance, defilement and the impurities of the heart are nothing of importance.
These are just dogma.
I am sorry this makes me weep, I mean this is terrible, empty, nothing.
The hardness of a heart that says these words speaks everything, because nothing
manages to get through, or take hold, or bring focus, or bring balance or life.
And nothing I say will ever matter.
To become like children and allow others and things to hurt us, and to feel it for
real is the first step of true new birth. Once pain does not register there is something
wrong.
It is how you know sometimes when abuse has pushed someone too far, and you are
just talking to scar tissue, and the heart has left the building.
It is why Jesus died on the cross, why people in real need, the sinners where not helped,
why the good samaritan went over and showed love, while the religious walked by.
It can get confusing matching a heart with words, but it is where Christ is and where
there is hope. Small things matter, listening when everyone else just walks away, giving
time to someone who everyone else calls worthless, seeing love as the font of wealth,
and need the place where it can be spent and sown.
Sin and repentance, defilement and the impurities of the heart are nothing of importance.
These are just dogma.
I am sorry this makes me weep, I mean this is terrible, empty, nothing.
The hardness of a heart that says these words speaks everything, because nothing
manages to get through, or take hold, or bring focus, or bring balance or life.
And nothing I say will ever matter.
To become like children and allow others and things to hurt us, and to feel it for
real is the first step of true new birth. Once pain does not register there is something
wrong.
It is how you know sometimes when abuse has pushed someone too far, and you are
just talking to scar tissue, and the heart has left the building.
It is why Jesus died on the cross, why people in real need, the sinners where not helped,
why the good samaritan went over and showed love, while the religious walked by.
It can get confusing matching a heart with words, but it is where Christ is and where
there is hope. Small things matter, listening when everyone else just walks away, giving
time to someone who everyone else calls worthless, seeing love as the font of wealth,
and need the place where it can be spent and sown.
But, you don't have an open heart. You just finished saying that if a teacher falls, they should never again teach. You seem to say they are good for nothing but cleaning toilets, from that day forward. With your attitude about not forgiving, within three or four years, no one in your church would be able to do anything but clean toilets.
Willie - How did I say we do not forgive people, or are condemning or judgemental?
But you connect these feelings with what I am sharing though I am not saying this.
This is the ghosts of your past and not mine.
And you are right, some people used the principles of poverty or circumstance to
condemn and treat people terribly which is the opposite of love and the gospel.
But this is way beyond anything I have shared.
This again talks of spiritual abuse that has created images and memories that
come alive with certain trigger words of ideas.
But you connect these feelings with what I am sharing though I am not saying this.
This is the ghosts of your past and not mine.
And you are right, some people used the principles of poverty or circumstance to
condemn and treat people terribly which is the opposite of love and the gospel.
But this is way beyond anything I have shared.
This again talks of spiritual abuse that has created images and memories that
come alive with certain trigger words of ideas.
Again this is projection. When did I talk about what ministry failure is or is not?
How can a person be held up as an example for all to follow, and they totally fail?
You also are suggesting we in a church though have difficulties can never resolve them
in a loving open way.
Open heart is about do I know what is going on inside me or not. Am I prepared to face
the real me and work things through? Once you have worked things through, walking in
purity things look very different. But it appears you have never experienced this so this
is just words to you. But things could be different.
How can a person be held up as an example for all to follow, and they totally fail?
You also are suggesting we in a church though have difficulties can never resolve them
in a loving open way.
Open heart is about do I know what is going on inside me or not. Am I prepared to face
the real me and work things through? Once you have worked things through, walking in
purity things look very different. But it appears you have never experienced this so this
is just words to you. But things could be different.
I do not know if you have noticed is it is easy to listen to something
that sounds good but is aimed at someone else.
When we are called to do something, it is surprising how reluctant we
are to either listen, which means there is a chance for change because
we understand it, and then to actually take action, which means the
change is occuring.
Falling in love and getting married is one such massive change. And boy
is this hard, because once set there is no going back. Or if there is, it
is going to cost a lot as well.
Learning about Christ was another one.
Witnessing to others.
Talking to muslims on line, that was a tough place.
Coming on cc and seeing people eaten up and deeply hurt. That again not easy.
But to then learn something deeper through all these things, glory, Halleluyah.
Follow each step, as the Lord leads and your paths shall be made straight. Amen
that sounds good but is aimed at someone else.
When we are called to do something, it is surprising how reluctant we
are to either listen, which means there is a chance for change because
we understand it, and then to actually take action, which means the
change is occuring.
Falling in love and getting married is one such massive change. And boy
is this hard, because once set there is no going back. Or if there is, it
is going to cost a lot as well.
Learning about Christ was another one.
Witnessing to others.
Talking to muslims on line, that was a tough place.
Coming on cc and seeing people eaten up and deeply hurt. That again not easy.
But to then learn something deeper through all these things, glory, Halleluyah.
Follow each step, as the Lord leads and your paths shall be made straight. Amen
In all fairness, the other side thinks they can go on & do whatever because they're automatically forgiven. That could mean they could go further downhill & destroy others along the way. Whatcha gonna do with 'em? They're already forgiven! That means you have to also forgive them no matter how hideous the sin was. They can steal, abuse, & lie without remorse & a conscience because they have no convictions & don't have to repent.
After all, we see this done by those people every day on this forum. You have to believe it's that way, for that's how they live it on here..... yep.
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well, I do not feel this this way. i'll give you a personal example- in church 2 sundays ago, the message was about suffering as a Christian in sickness, bad circumstances , etc.. in the middle of this message, I began to feel convicted that I was not loving God with my MIND as well as I should be. so I asked for forgiveness, and have since done much better in that area.
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So God's Grace is not sufficient? We are in deep trouble then.
And this is different than a legalist who waters down Gods law how?
Who the legalist? Give them the gospel so they might be saved.
says who? who said Gods child can do these things? Not my bible.. My bible says they woudl be chastened and it would be painful. There would be guilt, and pain because it is not their nature. That they would seek Gods love..
really who??
I would love to know who...Names please.
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thats why legalism is so dangerous.
You water down the law.. Then judge people as sinners.. And you have fooled yourself into thinking you are holy and righteous.
Then preach holiness and righteousness, and you sound like a christian to everyone else
in the meantime, your in serious danger.. Because you have fooled yourself into thinking you are somethign you are not.
Words or ideas and how we actually live.
Often what we do and what we say we believe are two different things.
Our goal should be our theology should match our relationship reality with Christ.
I have read so many times people agreeing with someone, while their life and behaviour
preach a different reality. I unfortunately have seen how if people follow the theology
and put it into reality, the trouble that becomes. So I want to encourage everyone to
build from love outwards, and not theology upwards. I know nobodies hearts, only a few
words on a screen, but I am very patient and always learning. God bless you.
Often what we do and what we say we believe are two different things.
Our goal should be our theology should match our relationship reality with Christ.
I have read so many times people agreeing with someone, while their life and behaviour
preach a different reality. I unfortunately have seen how if people follow the theology
and put it into reality, the trouble that becomes. So I want to encourage everyone to
build from love outwards, and not theology upwards. I know nobodies hearts, only a few
words on a screen, but I am very patient and always learning. God bless you.
Again, another time when an OSAS has jumped on a post designated for a HG & making the big claim that "we don't do that", which for OSAS may be true, but not for HG's.
So, in the end you can't say anything about HG beliefs 'cause OSAS's will come to their rescue & shut it down, claiming the post was about them. This is a strawman of the OSAS's to say that the legalists are judging us & running us down, therefore it's only right for us to defend ourselves with bashing & picking fights.
It's a setup, plain & simple. And it will happen nearly every time.
Watch what happens.....
So, in the end you can't say anything about HG beliefs 'cause OSAS's will come to their rescue & shut it down, claiming the post was about them. This is a strawman of the OSAS's to say that the legalists are judging us & running us down, therefore it's only right for us to defend ourselves with bashing & picking fights.
It's a setup, plain & simple. And it will happen nearly every time.
Watch what happens.....
Actually, many "leaders" such as state leaders for denominations usually can't teach & are average at preaching. They're usually better at managing, which isn't needed. Much of it is just politics.
That's why when they have a "leadership" conference, They hire someone else because they don't know how to do one.
That's why when they have a "leadership" conference, They hire someone else because they don't know how to do one.