Peter, the church(es) have been in trouble for many, many MANY decades now, if not even millenia. That's likely to NEVER change. Yes, some come here to grow in their faith or to know God better, BUT TOO MANY are here simply for the sake of arguing, debating, and proving their points countless times over. It is THOSE people who are the problem here. THEY make this forum a horrid place to venture into. Ironically, THEY are ALSO the ones who beach because this forum is so filled with hate and evil that THEY have generated.