Tattoos

[Suge]

i totally dig tattoos, it looks cool but i know it's still wrong so i won't do anything like that, but just ask yourselves what would Jesus do?

I think he'd get a great big glow in the dark "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" tat right on his thigh!

(Rev 19:16) And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Nah I'm kidding I don't know if that's really what that is saying or not.

 

[Nick01]

I'll 3rd that

I'll 4th that. Oh wait....

As for the comment about Jesus' tat in Revelation, that's a tricky one. On the one hand, it's hard to take anything said in Revelation that's imagery as literal truth. It's not meant to be, so I don't like using it as a proof in the sense of "Jesus will have one, so we should to."

Far more compelling for me, however, is that John obviously felt ok about putting a written word on the skin of the Messiah. That to me is much more telling - a first century Jew had no issue putting writing on the skin of a righteous, Lordly, justice dealing Jesus. I mean, if it was such an issue, why write that down, or at least soften it a little?

 

[Suge]

I'll 4th that. Oh wait....

As for the comment about Jesus' tat in Revelation, that's a tricky one. On the one hand, it's hard to take anything said in Revelation that's imagery as literal truth. It's not meant to be, so I don't like using it as a proof in the sense of "Jesus will have one, so we should to."

Far more compelling for me, however, is that John obviously felt ok about putting a written word on the skin of the Messiah. That to me is much more telling - a first century Jew had no issue putting writing on the skin of a righteous, Lordly, justice dealing Jesus. I mean, if it was such an issue, why write that down, or at least soften it a little?

I was just trying to be cute. I don't know either way what that means other than he's got a name written on himself in some way. Whether its literal or figurative or embroidered in glow in the dark threads (always has to be glow in the dark ) on his garments or whether its a tat on his skin, I can only speculate.

 

[Nick01]

I was just trying to be cute. I don't know either way what that means other than he's got a name written on himself in some way. Whether its literal or figurative or embroidered in glow in the dark threads (always has to be glow in the dark ) on his garments or whether its a tat on his skin, I can only speculate.

Well the book is apocalyptic, meaning it's reliant on imagery to make its point. So more important than the fact that Jesus is depicted with something written on him is what that image is supposed to MEAN past the metaphorical sense. That he has something written on himself isn't really the point.

Again, though, the fact that John thought it an appropriate image to use is what fascinates me. The text is pretty clear that the name is written on both his clothes and on his thigh (almost assuredly the skin of his thigh).

 

[john832]

The Law was fulfilled in Christ, when He died on the cross and rose again.
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Oh, so now we don't have to worry about committing murder, adultery lying stealing, taking God's holy Name in vain? Christ fulfilled this so we no longer have to?

Show me some exegesis. Show me all the scriptures abouit the cross that contradict the direct quotes of Jesus Christ...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[john832]

As a former messianic I know and understand why you believe what you believe. I'd encourage you to read the gospel however. Learn to distinguish between the Old and New covenants. I also know that no amount of scriptural proof will convince you of anything. I put up walls when I was a messianic, as not to allow anyone to take me off what I considered to be the straight and narrow. This post isn't necessarily for you, but to cause those who are being drawn in your direction to really study this out first. I believe it to be very dangerous.

1.) Jesus came as a JEW and taught to the JEWS. He himself was UNDER THE LAW and had to FULFILL the law perfectly.

2.) Jesus could not teach contrary to the law while he was yet alive. For him to do so would have been sin.

3.) The new testament did not come into effect until Jesus death on the cross. Heb 9:16-18 (read further than that for more context.)

4.) New covenant was made not according to the old. Jer 31:31, Heb 8-10 (Read ALL of Hebrews.)

5.) Law of Moses "done away with", "nailed to cross," "old and ready to wax away." Acts 15:5, 15:24, Col 2:14, Heb 8:13, 2 cor, 3:11 (so many more...Just Read the entire N.T.)

Now often what I see Messianics/Adventists etc. do is categorize Gods law into 3 parts. Ceremonial, Mosaic, and Moral laws. This conveniently gives them the ability to do away with PARTS of the law, while keeping others. I would ask them to provide me with an example out of the O.T. where God separates his laws into categories outside of the body of the law of Moses. Gods law is one law and we can prove this with scripture.

(Heb 8:13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the FIRST old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

So what is this first covenant described by the book of Hebrews as "decaying", "waxing old" and "ready to vanish away"?

(Heb 9:18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
(Heb 9:19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
(Heb 9:20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Hebrews 9:20 is making reference to Exodus 24:8 which is the confirming of the FIRST Covenant, otherwise known as the "Law of Moses." So what makes up the law of Moses? Just go back to Exodus 20 and read from there all the way up to Exodus 24:9

As you can see. It lumps so called Moral, Mosaic, and Ceremonial laws all together and in no particular order all throughout those chapters, as ALL being part of the First Covenant. Which according to the gospel is now decaying, waxing old and ready to vanish away. The new covenant being made "NOT ACCORDING TO" the old. etc. etc. etc.

Another popular verse among messianic and Adventist groups is.... "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

They often seem to miss the gravity of the word "till" in "till all be fulfilled." Jesus fulfilled the law by living a perfect life according to the law. He died on the cross thus putting into effect the New Covenant. The gospel is SO clear on issues concerning the Old vs New covenants it still amazing me how I fell into that snare and how others continue to fall into it as well. It is often easier to be legalistic than it is to understand things like walking in the spirit, grace, "not I that sin but sin that is in me." "dead to sin." and what it means to NOT BE UNDER THE LAW etc.

Usually after this they begin to ask biased questions such as; "Does that mean thou shalt not kill has no application anymore?" Or "Is it now ok to commit adultery?"

Paul actually answers you in (Rom 6:15)

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

I would encourage you to read all of Romans for the full context.

So how is it we can apply the new covenant vs the old?
(Gal 5:22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
(Gal 5:23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Messianics spend a lot of time rediscovering their Hebrew roots. This usually puts them deep into the pages of the O.T. It is easy to read the O.T. in the present tense in which much of it is written. But let's not forget that we have the gospel of Jesus Christ. The New Covenant made not according to the old. Learn how to deal with that rather than not understanding it and going back under the law.


(Jas 2:8) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Jas 2:9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
(Jas 2:10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Hmmm, here we go again. What is this covenant that is waxing old and ready to pass away? And then what is this new covenant?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

This is a direct quote from Jer 31:31-34

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The word for Law in v33 is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

So the New Covenant is the writing of the Torah in our hearts and minds. How about showing me where this New Covenant says the Law is done away.

 

[p_rehbein]

The two most lucrative professions of the future will be tattoo removal and attorneys who specialize in legal name changes.

I have a Counselor who is the greatest that ever has been, or will ever be, and He is fantastic at "legal name changes."

He changed my name from "sinner," to "saint" and wrote my new name into His Book of Life! YEA!

He also is fantastic at Adoptions! Yessireeee........He is! He certified my adoption, and NOW I am an heir to the Promise!

Hey, He's taking on all the new clients who are seeking His services............Y'all sign up OK?

(with regards to tattoos......there is at least one person who won't need the services of a "removal expert." Just saying....)

 

[LT]

Oh, so now we don't have to worry about committing murder, adultery lying stealing, taking God's holy Name in vain? Christ fulfilled this so we no longer have to?

Show me some exegesis. Show me all the scriptures abouit the cross that contradict the direct quotes of Jesus Christ...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

You are over 3 times my age, so I will not argue with you about this, but I will clarify my position, then ask you a question.
Those verses are still referring to the Old Covenant, because the New Covenant had not yet been given. Those in Christ are no longer judged by the Law, because they have been removed from the penalty of Law (Colossians 2:13-14). They are instead judged on conscience (Romans 14:14). No Christian needs to debate about moral judgments, because His Law is written on our hearts and on our consciences (Romans 2:15).

What did Jesus accomplish in His death, if not the removal of the penalty of sin from the chosen?
If He removed the penalty for sin, then how are these Laws still applicable?

 

[john832]

You are over 3 times my age, so I will not argue with you about this, but I will clarify my position, then ask you a question.
Those verses are still referring to the Old Covenant, because the New Covenant had not yet been given. Those in Christ are no longer judged by the Law, because they have been removed from the penalty of Law (Colossians 2:13-14). They are instead judged on conscience (Romans 14:14). No Christian needs to debate about moral judgments, because His Law is written on our hearts and on our consciences (Romans 2:15).

What did Jesus accomplish in His death, if not the removal of the penalty of sin from the chosen?
If He removed the penalty for sin, then how are these Laws still applicable?

If the Law was removed there is no sin...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

If there is no sin, then why do we need a Saviour?

Christ removed the penalty for sin. Not exactly, the penalty is still there. He died in our stead. He paid that penalty for us.

A man commits murder and is caught. He is tried and found guilty. He is now standing before the judge awaiting sentencing and an innocent man steps up and says, "Your Honor, I know this man is guilty and deserves death and I know the law must be satisfied and the death penalty has to be enacted. I will take the death penalty in his place." And he does. He is executed.

Now, does that mean the man who committed murder is now free to go out and commit murder again and again? Did that do away with the law against murder?

This is what Christ did, He died in our stead. How does that do away with the Law? Are these scriptures no longer true?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

The Law was not done away, the handwriting of ordinances was crucified with Christ...

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"), not the law! "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).

Even Protestant commentators realize this. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:

Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,

1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).

Some will argue that you still cannot keep the ten commandments (for "all have sinned"), even if they are all mentioned as being in effect after the crucifixion. Does this mean one should not try?

Furthermore, let's look at another translation:

14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NASB)

The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.

Which requirements were wiped out?

Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law! - Dr. Robert Thiel

 

[Hizikyah]

If the Law was removed there is no sin...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

If there is no sin this wouldbe impossible:

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth alanguish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

 

[LT]

If the Law was removed there is no sin...

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

If there is no sin, then why do we need a Saviour?

Christ removed the penalty for sin. Not exactly, the penalty is still there. He died in our stead. He paid that penalty for us.

reread my post... I never said that the penalty for sin was removed.
I said that "those in Christ have been removed" from what were they removed? "the penalty of Law".
Your post was very long, and totally off topic because you didn't read my post with any consideration.

Can someone who is saved go to hell? NO. Why? Because it is hell that they are saved from.
What does it take to be saved? Trust in Christ alone, that He died for our sin, and rose from the dead.
Are there any other requirements for salvation? no, any additions deny the power and purpose of the cross.

This does not give us licence to deny our consciences. If we are pleasing ourselves only, then we should question if we ever trusted Christ.

Do not be set in legalism, or you are denying the power of Christs Blood over sin, or you make His sacrifice insufficient and unsatisfactory. If a tattoo has enough power to pull me out of salvation, then what did Christ even do on the cross? If a tattoo does not have enough power to do that, then what does have the power to send me hell? Unbelief is the only thing.

 

[faroukfarouk]

On that same train of thought, consider the following: why are we ok with ear piercings? And how many is too many? Why not other body parts? Is it wrong if no one else can see them, thus removing the "stumbling block" aspect? What about people who are already tattooed? Like redtent said, then why is make up okay? It's a mark on the skin, just not usually permanent. Where do we draw the line?

The above illustrates what happens when we are caught up in legalism. The biblical principle us to glorify God in your body. The application of that principle will vary based upon each persons walk with God, their culture, and many other influences.

Hi Ms Misty77, Do you think it's significant that the same passage in Leviticus that refers to 'cutting.. for the dead' also refers to not trimming the corners of one's beard?

How many preachers shave?

 

[john832]

reread my post... I never said that the penalty for sin was removed.
I said that "those in Christ have been removed" from what were they removed? "the penalty of Law".
Your post was very long, and totally off topic because you didn't read my post with any consideration.

Can someone who is saved go to hell? NO. Why? Because it is hell that they are saved from.
What does it take to be saved? Trust in Christ alone, that He died for our sin, and rose from the dead.
Are there any other requirements for salvation? no, any additions deny the power and purpose of the cross.

This does not give us licence to deny our consciences. If we are pleasing ourselves only, then we should question if we ever trusted Christ.

Do not be set in legalism, or you are denying the power of Christs Blood over sin, or you make His sacrifice insufficient and unsatisfactory. If a tattoo has enough power to pull me out of salvation, then what did Christ even do on the cross? If a tattoo does not have enough power to do that, then what does have the power to send me hell? Unbelief is the only thing.

What has the power to send you to the Lake of Fire? You say only unbelief but that is not scriptural...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin sends one to the Lake of Fire...

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Wickedness.

Judgment is according to works...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The curse of the Law is the death penalty. It does not just magically vanish, poof! Christ took that death penalty on Himself. Each time we sin, the death of Christ is applied in our stead. It is much more serious than just removing the death penalty, that penalty has to be paid and when we repent and seek forgiveness, it is Christ's blood that is applied instead of ours.

So, God says don't take tatoos. It is a rebellious attitude to do something in spite of what God says and...

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

So, can a tatoo send one to the Lake of Fire? If you decide to get one in spite of God telling you not to, there could be some serious consequences.

 

[Dix]

I think tattoos attract demons but I also wonder what would happen if you can have a tattoo written I Love Jesus on your skin?

 

[danschance]

I think tattoos attract demons but I also wonder what would happen if you can have a tattoo written I Love Jesus on your skin?

If a tatoo is a sin then I doubt satan would mind if it mentioned Jesus saves or whatever.

 

[Dix]

If a tatoo is a sin then I doubt satan would mind if it mentioned Jesus saves or whatever.

I like your reasoning above but please tell me why is tattoo a sin, mind that every sin attracts demons

 

[faroukfarouk]

What has the power to send you to the Lake of Fire? You say only unbelief but that is not scriptural...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin sends one to the Lake of Fire...

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Wickedness.

Judgment is according to works...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The curse of the Law is the death penalty. It does not just magically vanish, poof! Christ took that death penalty on Himself. Each time we sin, the death of Christ is applied in our stead. It is much more serious than just removing the death penalty, that penalty has to be paid and when we repent and seek forgiveness, it is Christ's blood that is applied instead of ours.

So, God says don't take tatoos. It is a rebellious attitude to do something in spite of what God says and...

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

So, can a tatoo send one to the Lake of Fire? If you decide to get one in spite of God telling you not to, there could be some serious consequences.

The same passage as mentions not 'cutting...for the dead' (Lev.19) also speaks of not trimming the corners of one's beard. How many preachers shave?

In fact, it's not law-keeping that gets one to heaven in any case, as Romans and Galatians make abundantly clear.

I wonder if part the context of the Leviticus passage is Old Testament Jews in the land under the law?

(Personally I am dispensational in my interpretational understanding of Scripture.)

There's also the matter of whether, under grace, with Christians exercising Romans 14 liberty, a faith related tattoo design can be an effective conversation-starter. Different Christians are likely to have different thoughts on the matter.

Blessings.

 

[faroukfarouk]

It seems to me it is important for each of us to settle for ourselves how we look at OT scripture. It is scripture, it is breathed by God. Christ says we are to listen, that it is not to be changed, and yet he also added to these laws. Now they were to be obeyed in spirit and truth, not just by what bible calls the letter of the law.

If we look at the law not to have tattoos in spirit and truth, we would not copy pagan worship, but we would also not put human marks on what God created. Yet, I put on lipstick etc. I do that to make the most of what God gave me, I accent it and it seems to me that is following God.

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Yes, and some women choose to outline their lips permanently, too: they in effect tattoo their lips, right?

Some Christians go the stage further and get a design that they think will also help them in witness, such as a Christian fish symbol <><, etc. or a Bible verse.

Blessings.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

My daughter and I had this discussion not long ago. I have three tattoos, gotten over time for various reasons. I assumed, being a good little Christianite, that the "law" didn't apply to me. I read that scripture, and promptly ignored it. When my 20-year-old (who is tattoo-free) asked me about it, I looked it up. And realized how right she was. There is no stipulation here that it is to do with Pagan practices or anything else. Simply, I am the Lord, and I don't like it. Ok..no more tattoos. How complicated is that?

I think believers often open the door to demonic events/spirits. The entire Bible is the recording of a legal agreement of a god and his people. He will be our God, we will obey and be his people. By violating that law we "invite" in spirits of discord and open the door to possible compromise. When we believe the ways of the world over the ways of the word, we compromise our spirits in him.

Shalom.

 

[faroukfarouk]

My daughter and I had this discussion not long ago. I have three tattoos, gotten over time for various reasons. I assumed, being a good little Christianite, that the "law" didn't apply to me. I read that scripture, and promptly ignored it. When my 20-year-old (who is tattoo-free) asked me about it, I looked it up. And realized how right she was. There is no stipulation here that it is to do with Pagan practices or anything else. Simply, I am the Lord, and I don't like it. Ok..no more tattoos. How complicated is that?

I think believers often open the door to demonic events/spirits. The entire Bible is the recording of a legal agreement of a god and his people. He will be our God, we will obey and be his people. By violating that law we "invite" in spirits of discord and open the door to possible compromise. When we believe the ways of the world over the ways of the word, we compromise our spirits in him.

Shalom.

But do demons really indwell someone who is born again? and who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit?

This is not an argument for tattoos, etc.

The Leviticus passage in Lev. 19 also says not to trim the corners of one's beard. How many preachers shave?

Okay, so I'm dispensational; but my reading of Romans and Galatians is that the born again believer in the Lord Jesus is under grace.

You give you age as 42,Ms Rose: and you said you have 3 tattoos: it's not at all unusual, is it? for women to do it; since tattoo equality has been attained by women, whereas years ago it was a male thing, mainly. Some people find that faith based designs are very effective as conversation-starters in witness.

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