Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[soberxp]

No i sure dont Salvation is in the Blood of Jesus. Paul Peter John etc were Jews it was the Blood of Christ that saved them not their human Jewish blood . No way do i appose any one being saved. Salvation is in Him.

I'm referring to Israel today, and maybe I should write a long article about it from the Old Testament, but I'm afraid that my point of view will confuse some.

 

[GaryA]

Bro.....I eat and drink these passages. Reverently. I never merely give them "a glance"......

What I meant by saying that was that I did not "pause" after reading your post to have a six-hour Bible study on it before responding - but rather, that - "from memory" - from past studying the topic and related verses/passages - I could agree with you that the verses did indeed refer to future events.

Swallow your pride and don't be a snob. And, learn to appreciate it more when someone happens to agree with you on something.

 

[GaryA]

They are not.

It just the lack of an objective lens and the result of blinders.

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Order_Of_Events.html

Read carefully the passages that contain the verses in the 'Armageddon' and 'Vial 7' columns. Look at the details.

Do you really think all of that happened in 70 A.D.?

 

[GaryA]

Clearly. Preterists (and their ilk) notoriously fail to interpret these passages in any sensible cogent manner. Contrarily, the futurists/premillennialists have NO problem here. And frankly, anywhere else in Scripture. Nobody has the entirety of Bible buttoned up better than the futurists/premillennialists. Its not even close.

Well - you know that I am a/an Historicist - I believe both the futurists and the preterists are in error - they are the extremes on a scale upon which the truth is in the middle of the scale. Some prophecy is already fulfilled. Some prophecy is yet future. It is not all past nor is it all future.

And ultimately, the preterists/amillennialists dogma demands a full and final end to the nation Israel.

I think you also know that I believe that the nation of Israel still has a part to play - in the Millenium - after the Second Coming of Christ.

 

[GaryA]

So Jesus came and did not fulfill all the prophecies, that again is illogical.

So - if-Jesus-came or when-Jesus-comes - will not ALL of biblical prophecy related to the Second Coming of Christ be fulfilled at that time?

 

[cv5]

What I meant by saying that was that I did not "pause" after reading your post to have a six-hour Bible study on it before responding - but rather, that - "from memory" - from past studying the topic and related verses/passages - I could agree with you that the verses did indeed refer to future events.

Swallow your pride and don't be a snob. And, learn to appreciate it more when someone happens to agree with you on something.

Thanks for your imput buddy I really appreciate it.......

 

[cv5]

They are not.

It just the lack of an objective lens and the result of blinders.

They are. Because of no lack of biblical scholarship and the enlightenment that follows.

 

[GaryA]

Agree, but it ain't me.

Don't be too sure.

I humbled myself and let go of my adopted view and searched it out for myself. It is not easy but well worth it.

Hey - I did that too - back in the 70s/80s - been studying it ever since...

However, it is always good to see someone have the determination to study it out for themselves - not "just accepting what they heard the preacher say" (sometimes, preachers are wrong).

Imagine believing something to be true to find out it really is a house of cards upon closer inspection.

Yes - and, there are a whole lot more of these in the world.

 

[GaryA]

because I know Jesus already came

Just to make sure I understand this statement properly - are you referring to the Second Coming of Christ as an 'event'?

 

[GaryA]

I definitely agree it's all God's perspective. But it is written in a way that to get its full understanding revelation must be given.

It could well be said that the entire Bible is written that way.

That is to say, we need the Holy Spirit to help us obtain a proper interpretation and understanding.

 

[GaryA]

Time for you to at least try and graduate from eschatological kindergarten. You might as well start here.....

He does not understand the 'grammar of the language'. His 'Then shall they' interpretation is in error. And, because of that, his whole perspective on that passage of scripture is in error. (This is all-too-often how it happens.)

He left out the Mark account - which was a serious mistake - it disagrees with his conclusion.

Anyone who attends this "eschatological kindergarten" will be led down the wrong road for sure...

 

[soberxp]

Just to make sure I understand this statement properly - are you referring to the Second Coming of Christ as an 'event'?

No, this is not a simple event, if it is I do not have to go to the forum in the United States to talk about what I saw the coming of Jesus.

Why didn't God choose someone who didn't know or even don't understand English?

But I also wanted to know why I saw it, why couldn't an American saw it, or someone else.........

I felt like a failure or loser. I didn't get things done.

By the way, have you seen my post about the second coming of Jesus?

 

[GaryA]

But God can give us the understanding from His point of view.

And, only God can give us understanding from His point of view.

 

[soberxp]

And, only God can give us understanding from His point of view.

I think a lot of times, it's really hard for you to believe something from someone without being there,
Because of lies, people tend to doubt everything or something,
I wonder why people think Jesus' coming is in the future and not now,
It seemed like everyone knew when Jesus was supposed to come, but not me.

 

[iamsoandso]

No, this is not a simple event, if it is I do not have to go to the forum in the United States to talk about what I saw the coming of Jesus.

Why didn't God choose someone who didn't know or even don't understand English?

But I also wanted to know why I saw it, why couldn't an American saw it, or someone else.........

I felt like a failure or loser. I didn't get things done.

By the way, have you seen my post about the second coming of Jesus?

People who live in Canada are Americans. People who live in Peru are Americans, If they live in South America or Central America or North America then they are all Americans because the Americas are continent's not a country?

 

[cv5]

He does not understand the 'grammar of the language'. His 'Then shall they' interpretation is in error.

Demonstrate that to me by parsing out the Greek and posting you own opinion. Otherwise I cannot accept your view.

 

[cv5]

He does not understand the 'grammar of the language'. His 'Then shall they' interpretation is in error.

The Greek is crystal clear: "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE".

The KJV translates Strong's G4253 pro in the following manner: before (44x), above (2x), above ... ago (1x), or ever (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. before

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
πρό pró, pro; a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:—above, ago, before, or ever.

But
g1161
δὲ δέde

CONJ
before
g4253
πρὸ πρόpro

PREP
all
g537
ἅπαντων ἅπαςhapas

A-GPN
these,
g5130
τούτων τούτωνtoutōn

 

[HeIsHere]

Don't be too sure.


Hey - I did that too - back in the 70s/80s - been studying it ever since...

However, it is always good to see someone have the determination to study it out for themselves - not "just accepting what they heard the preacher say" (sometimes, preachers are wrong).


Yes - and, there are a whole lot more of these in the world.

I don't delve into areas I am not sure about.

I do not need systems and schemas and have everything all wrapped up in a tidy box with an "I know everything bow!"

However, I trust Jesus words and "this generation" was the generation in front of him

 

[cv5]

He left out the Mark account - which was a serious mistake - it disagrees with his conclusion.

Mark matches Matt 24. The outlier is Luke 21:12-24, verse 24 being the punctuation of the time frame. And verse 24 is unique and used once only in all of Scripture.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Therefore Chuck is correct (and he is one of the best as far as prophecy is concerned) and so am I, and so are the "futurists".
Unfortunately, your theories are dead wrong.

 

[HeIsHere]

So - if-Jesus-came or when-Jesus-comes - will not ALL of biblical prophecy related to the Second Coming of Christ be fulfilled at that time?

Maybe, I have not gotten that far in my study.

At least I don't change the intent of the words of Jesus to suit my own bias.