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melita916

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Here is a question:

if we decide to “gather” (because as of right now we aren’t able to physically gather hehe) on Sundays, does this mean the Lord will not receive our worship because it’s not on Saturday?
 

7seasrekeyed

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#45
oh and what about the good samaritan who cleaned up and bound the wounds of the man robbed and thrown in a ditch?

he used WINE and oil...he did not use rubbing alcohol...that, you should not drink anyway but....he used wine for the alcohol content

besides, Welch's was not yet invented...

this whole thing about never drinking wine is going into the ditch too IMO

now if you were or take a Nazarite vow, that is another thing...but then you can't cut your hair either
 

NotmebutHim

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#46
Christ Jesus is our Sabbath rest. We don't need to keep Him holy, because He already is.

He also said, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

There is a reason why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write what he wrote in Romans 14.............

;)
 

Brandnewday

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Christ Jesus is our Sabbath rest. We don't need to keep Him holy, because He already is.

He also said, "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

There is a reason why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write what he wrote in Romans 14.............

;)
I looked that up. Good point.
 
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LOL!

where do Christians come from then?

oh wait....Christ...The Christ One

this mashup you are presenting is not as brilliant as you seem to think it is

since death was the punishment for breaking a good amount of TORAH...seems like those are some pretty strong 'suggestions'

your novel presentation is another in a long long line of people who conflate the Old and New testaments and wish to lead others down the same dead end

first of all you say the law does not save you, then you say the law is not actually but rather just rules to live by, then you call Jesus Rabbi and tell everyone to study Torah

I do believe I smell an agenda. in fact, I know I do :rolleyes:

so thanks for your thoughts mr pelvis but go and swing that somewhere else

how do people get away with handles like that anyway?
I do appreciate your concerns, if my agenda is somewhat obscure put it down to a old chess players bad habits.
I am a ETA Elvis Tribute Artist registered , however now I am to old to wiggle.
The number 888 is the number of times Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth appears in the NT.
The number of man 6, the number Of the Father 7, the number for Rabbi Yashuah 8.
The translators of the King James changed the word Torah to the word law, what a big difference, Torah is all five books
with Abraham Isaac, Jacob, nothing to do with " law ". Please take the time to lok up the original in Strongs
200 times it says Torah instead of law. Please do not say I invented Torah study for Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach Of Nazareth taught His followers to follow Torah, the Torah of Moses, the commandments the statutes, the judgments Why do you reject these facts ?
Perhaps you have never read Malachi

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

It should say Torah of Moses. Elijah the great teacher comes to teach Torah of Moses why do you reject these facts??
Sin cerely
 

7seasrekeyed

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#52
I do appreciate your concerns, if my agenda is somewhat obscure put it down to a old chess players bad habits.
I am a ETA Elvis Tribute Artist registered , however now I am to old to wiggle.
The number 888 is the number of times Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth appears in the NT.
The number of man 6, the number Of the Father 7, the number for Rabbi Yashuah 8.
The translators of the King James changed the word Torah to the word law, what a big difference, Torah is all five books
with Abraham Isaac, Jacob, nothing to do with " law ". Please take the time to lok up the original in Strongs
200 times it says Torah instead of law. Please do not say I invented Torah study for Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach Of Nazareth taught His followers to follow Torah, the Torah of Moses, the commandments the statutes, the judgments Why do you reject these facts ?
Perhaps you have never read Malachi

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

It should say Torah of Moses. Elijah the great teacher comes to teach Torah of Moses why do you reject these facts??
Sin cerely

fry ice

baloney

you are an imitation elvis and it seems an imitation believer as well
 

7seasrekeyed

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oh look

I found an audition tape of elvis here

 
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Wow awesome discussion and you some awesome points.

1. The Torah, the 613 Commandments in them (for no Jew simply says there is only 10 Commandments, because just read the rest of the Torah and it continues with many laws), was given from God to Moses to Jews/Israelites. Therefore no Gentile/Believer is obligated to any of the 10 commandments or 613 Commandments.
I think your logic "Therefore no Gentile/Believer is obligated to any of the 10 commandments or 613 Commandments." does not bear up to the scriptures.

When the Israelites fled from Egypt after the Passover, many non-Israelites fled with them. If one is a Gentile, isn't he/she a non-Israelite?

Exo_12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Num_15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Num 15:26 And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.

Num_15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Num 15:30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

In the end, we find that the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven has 12 gates, each one made from a pearl. On each of the 12 gates is the 12 names of tribes of Israel. Where is the gate for the Gentiles?

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
 
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I think your logic "Therefore no Gentile/Believer is obligated to any of the 10 commandments or 613 Commandments." does not bear up to the scriptures.

When the Israelites fled from Egypt after the Passover, many non-Israelites fled with them. If one is a Gentile, isn't he/she a non-Israelite?

Exo_12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Num_15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Num 15:26 And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.

Num_15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Num 15:30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

In the end, we find that the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven has 12 gates, each one made from a pearl. On each of the 12 gates is the 12 names of tribes of Israel. Where is the gate for the Gentiles?

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Yes, yes , yes, I could kiss you, the stranger, the key word to understand. So many do not understand
Torah is for everyone ,even Gentiles.
You are terrific, outstanding, knowledge, wisdom,....
The way you used the scriptures to prove your points ,,is brilliant!!
Verse after verse, over and over, here a little there a little ,says Isaiah 28.
Your conjecture, in the kingdom ,that we are all the same ,is beautiful.
For we shall all speak one language, the pure Language ,Hebrew.
I never thought I would find such knowledge on this platform, however there are some brilliant people here.
Some hate me already.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.
FOR EVER FOR EVER FOR EVER,
How can people not see this, perhaps they are blinded by the curses in Torah. There aprox 96 curses.
Many thanks for taking the time to put together this thought provoking piece.
Sin cerely Elvispelvis888
 
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There are 613 commandments in the Law of Moses. Either we need to be keeping all of those laws as Christians in order to be saved or not. So which is it?
 
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There are 613 commandments in the Law of Moses. Either we need to be keeping all of those laws as Christians in order to be saved or not. So which is it?
Do you see how ingrained in our brains the English bible hides the truth.
It is not the Law of Moses , Please take the time to look up the original word law In Hebrew, There you will find the translators
who hate Judaism, they changed the word Torah to the nebulous word law. It means nothing, what laws, where do I find the laws,
nothing but confusion. So please stop saying The Law" it is Torah over 200 times. However many do not understand the difference.
The first five books are Torah with Abraham Isaac, Jacob, to teach us the rules for living,
That is all. Not The Law.

Isaiah 66:4
I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.
Yahweh speaks Hebrew, Eloheim, the Angels write in Hebrew, Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth reads Hebrew, get over it.

To change Torah to law is strong delusion from the Angels, The Eloheim, The Mighty Ones , The Judges.

THE LAW CAN NOT SAVE ANYONE STOP SAYING THAT, PLEASE IT IS NOT A SCRIPTURAL ISSUE, IT IS AN OLD WIVES TALE.

So Christians could get out of study of Torah , , they made up a fairy tale, that is repeated to this day.
The Holy Spirit tells me everything no need to study Torah.
Rabbi Yashuah Moshiach of Nazareth never ever said the Law saves you.
Because Christians are told the OT is full of Jewish Law do not read it, as Chuck Missler said, ( RIP )

Everlasting ignorance is caused by condemnation before investigation.
Having never studied Torah ......they are positive to the death........ that it is wrong!!
Their are 96 curses explained in Torah, scriptural blindness, death for cursing The Name, etc,.