The 1 John 1:9 Lie: More New.Modern.Hyper Grace blasphemy

[KennethC]

I am in no way saying you work for the evil one so get that out of your head, but I am saying that I feel you lead people away from the Truth of God's grace and you feel I lead people away from the Truth of God's righteousness. So how do we overcome this?

I don't know because I don't know how you get that impression of me !!!

I tell all the truth in God's word and sometimes that truth is not easy to take and swallow, and I am sorry you feel because I teach on the warnings to believers just as the Apostle Paul did you take that as leading people away.

The truth is leading people away would not be not telling people these things and leaving them to think they are fine walking in the disobedient way they are. That would be misusing God's grace to leave a person to fall !!!

Love does not always come in soothing words, hey I wish they did, but it doesn't and God a number of times showed tough love to those He called who at first refused to obey !!!

This is no difference today, God will let us faulter and fall if we continue to choose the disobedient path......

I know by experience because I walked away from the Church for awhile after 12 years, and my disobedience lead me so far down I was practically homeless and spent some jail time for bad checks and such. I woke up and changed my life around and gave it back to God, and since then He has sheltered me and clothed me even though I had nothing to myself !!!

I was dead living in sin when I walked away, and was made alive again in Christ when I came back to Him !!!

I am opening the door to people by personal experience, not shutting it as some have come to badly misunderstand what I am saying.

And no matter how many times I speak on the struggling Christian or the stumbles we all make, or even the fact of how sinless perfection is false teaching. Those same tired lies get thrown on me because people don't know how to listen, and are not slow to speak.

They take and hear one thing the wrong way and just run with it !!!


People trying to say I make blanket statements or accuse others falsely, but that is not the case when what I say is usually posed as a question (???).


I think there needs to be more teaching on the difference of judging and condemning, and allowed judging vs. not allowed judging, and between rebuking and reproving from condemning.....

Because some seem to always get them all confused and thus throw something on somebody as doing one when they are actually doing the other. I don't know how many times a person on here has been accused of condemning another when all they were doing was reproving or rebuking them !!!

 

[crossnote]

Therefore...Jesus + a chalkboard = nothing

 

[Willie-T]

Tomorrow I plan to rob a bank. I robbed a bank last week, the week before, that's me, I'm a bank robber. So glad I don't have to confess it all the time now. Saves me time to plan a new bank robbery. Good day sir. Give me your money. I'm a christian bank robber.
This whole thing is just unbelief and not knowing who you are in Christ.
Hey sweetheart, I found out that you cheated on me a dozen times. Yeah I know, but I don't have to confess it all the time. Come on now. I may do it again tomorrow. I'm just a weak sinner you know, saved by grace.

LOL.... You got in such a hurry to flash out that one, that you got the "cheating" part all backwards.

 

[Grace777x70]

What does the Holy Spirit "convict" us of?


[video=youtube;cM-821HWRDo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM-821HWRDo[/video]

 

[BenFTW]

You know - we don't differ much in what we believe - what does it hurt for people to confess, acknowledge their sins? What's the BIG DEAL?

I guess one positive could be that your prayer life could be so much more fruitful, instead of wasting time on something the Lord already took care of.

I remember a scene from a comedy where the father at a dinner table with his family says to his children, "Okay, let us confess our sins for the week." And the kids start naming all kinds of terrible things and the father bursts out, "Okay! That's enough." I imagine sometimes that must be how the Lord is when the word says He doesn't remember our sins anymore and that our sins of scarlet are as white as snow. Yet, people wish to put it before God when Jesus already took care of it at the cross.

PS: Not that there is anything wrong with being open with the Lord about your struggles.

 

[KennethC]

All christians will agree with this concerning their being born again

Yes to being born again, but not as in how the faith is concerned...........

Luke 12:48
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

 

[crossnote]

Jer 31:33 is quoted in the NT and it speaks of the Holy Spirit witnessing of this truth but it goes on and says...

Hebrews 10:15-18King James Version (KJV)

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Tell me, why do people receive that first part as an on-going reality that they walk in (the law being on their heart) but not that second part about Him not remembering our sins or iniquities anymore?

Ok, no problem with past sins. Nothing in that that shows he doesn't convict us of present sins through the means mentioned.

 

[Grace777x70]

Very true..if the chalkboard was the law...


Originally Posted by BenFTW

Not by mixture (grace and law).

Therefore...Jesus + a chalkboard = nothing

 

[FreeNChrist]

You know - we don't differ much in what we believe - what does it hurt for people to confess, acknowledge their sins? What's the BIG DEAL?

It's only a big deal when one tries to insist that our forgiveness is dependent upon our continued confession.That reveals a fundamental flaw in thinking that will affect all aspects of the Christian life...aspects which have already been spoken about in these threads. But if it helps you to ask for it, go ahead. But recognize that it's only from your end, and not God's end that there was ever any doubt.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Ok, no problem with past sins. Nothing in that that shows he doesn't convict us of present sins through the means mentioned.

How long is the present the present, before it is the past??

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hmmm, that's interesting because I could swear that you and some others were doing exactly that with Prince in the very thread.

If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and looks like a duck, there is a good chance it's a duck!

 

[BenFTW]

Ok, no problem with past sins. Nothing in that that shows he doesn't convict us of present sins through the means mentioned.

Nothing in that shows He convicts at all. lol

 

[crossnote]

Sorry, if I'm not meeting your standards for what is a proper response.

Since you offered no further clarification I will just go with my gut and say that it appears that your image of God is of One who kicks His children when they are down.

Last time please explain ...

And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
(Heb 12:5-11)


You don't know my image of God by your stupid stereotype.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Last time please explain ...

And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives." It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
(Heb 12:5-11)


You don't know my image of God by your stupid stereotype.

I don't see anything there that conflicts with anything I have already said.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and looks like a duck, there is a good chance it's a duck!

Don't be so hard on yourself little ducky.

 

[Grace777x70]

..Berean-like.....I'm watching you....just teasin' ya...I know you mean well...

Yes to being born again, but not as in how the faith is concerned...........

Luke 12:48
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

 

[crossnote]

I guess one positive could be that your prayer life could be so much more fruitful, instead of wasting time on something the Lord already took care of.

I remember a scene from a comedy where the father at a dinner table with his family says to his children, "Okay, let us confess our sins for the week." And the kids start naming all kinds of terrible things and the father bursts out, "Okay! That's enough." I imagine sometimes that must be how the Lord is when the word says He doesn't remember our sins anymore and that our sins of scarlet are as white as snow. Yet, people wish to put it before God when Jesus already took care of it at the cross.

PS: Not that there is anything wrong with being open with the Lord about your struggles.

Guess David wasted his time confessing his sin when confronted by Nathan?
Oh, that's old testament, sorry, God's standard of morality must have changed since His Son died died our sins.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I guess one positive could be that your prayer life could be so much more fruitful, instead of wasting time on something the Lord already took care of.

My prayer life is very fruitful, thank you very much. And I don't waste time when I ask God for forgiveness that's usually done the minute I mess up! and if not - prayers for me are usually put as a PS unless I am just praising God.

I remember a scene from a comedy where the father at a dinner table with his family says to his children, "Okay, let us confess our sins for the week." And the kids start naming all kinds of terrible things and the father bursts out, "Okay! That's enough." I imagine sometimes that must be how the Lord is when the word says He doesn't remember our sins anymore and that our sins of scarlet are as white as snow. Yet, people wish to put it before God when Jesus already took care of it at the cross.

PS: Not that there is anything wrong with being open with the Lord about your struggles.

Well, my sins "list" is not THAT long - praise God! And I actually don't have a list seeing, as I said before, they are mostly taken care of immediately. NOW, thank God, I didn't have to confess every sin in my life before I confessed Jesus as Lord . . that would have been a list and for awhile after being born again - yep - but I don't believe we have to list sins - just acknowledge that we have failed in some area and it's a done deal! No longer remembers, cast as far as the east is to the west - and that "no longer remembers" even means that we can't remind him!!!

 

[crossnote]

Very true..if the chalkboard was the law...


Originally Posted by BenFTW

Not by mixture (grace and law).

But it said "Jesus + anything"...not just the law

 

[Utah]

I don't know because I don't know how you get that impression of me !!!

I tell all the truth in God's word and sometimes that truth is not easy to take and swallow, and I am sorry you feel because I teach on the warnings to believers just as the Apostle Paul did you take that as leading people away.

The truth is leading people away would not be not telling people these things and leaving them to think they are fine walking in the disobedient way they are. That would be misusing God's grace to leave a person to fall !!!

Love does not always come in soothing words, hey I wish they did, but it doesn't and God a number of times showed tough love to those He called who at first refused to obey !!!

This is no difference today, God will let us faulter and fall if we continue to choose the disobedient path......

I know by experience because I walked away from the Church for awhile after 12 years, and my disobedience lead me so far down I was practically homeless and spent some jail time for bad checks and such. I woke up and changed my life around and gave it back to God, and since then He has sheltered me and clothed me even though I had nothing to myself !!!

I was dead living in sin when I walked away, and was made alive again in Christ when I came back to Him !!!

I am opening the door to people by personal experience, not shutting it as some have come to badly misunderstand what I am saying.

And no matter how many times I speak on the struggling Christian or the stumbles we all make, or even the fact of how sinless perfection is false teaching. Those same tired lies get thrown on me because people don't know how to listen, and are not slow to speak.

They take and hear one thing the wrong way and just run with it !!!


People trying to say I make blanket statements or accuse others falsely, but that is not the case when what I say is usually posed as a question (???).


I think there needs to be more teaching on the difference of judging and condemning, and allowed judging vs. not allowed judging, and between rebuking and reproving from condemning.....

Because some seem to always get them all confused and thus throw something on somebody as doing one when they are actually doing the other. I don't know how many times a person on here has been accused of condemning another when all they were doing was reproving or rebuking them !!!

Thank you for sharing, Ken. The Prodigal Son came to mind the entire time I read and re-read your post. What stands out to me is that you walked away altogether, and I believe that is different than being sinful while never walking away. Once again, I'm leaning towards grace, not law.