The 144,000 named in Revelation

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That's funny....according to the parables the Gentiles are guests at the wedding..........and of course I expect you to reject this......
I will look at that and get back .Where is it located ? What do you mean by guests of a wedding in respect to Gentiles?
 
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I will look at that and get back .Where is it located ? What do you mean by guests of a wedding in respect to Gentiles?
Go to the parable of the wedding supper and how the original guests (JEWS) that were bidden refused to go, were busy, etc. And then notice how those that were not originally bidden are brought into the wedding supper (GENTILES) and they are called GUESTS at the wedding SUPPER..........Matthew 22:1-14 <--one example ---->I have a question....how is it possible for one to be the bride and guests at the same time for the wedding feast/supper?

I also want to say that having love for something like one would love a wife does not equate to the "something loved" as actually being a wife........ponder that for a moment
 
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Go to the parable of the wedding supper and how the original guests (JEWS) that were bidden refused to go, were busy, etc. And then notice how those that were not originally bidden are brought into the wedding supper (GENTILES) and they are called GUESTS at the wedding SUPPER..........Matthew 22:1-14 <--one example ---->I have a question....how is it possible for one to be the bride and guests at the same time for the wedding feast/supper?

I also want to say that having love for something like one would love a wife does not equate to the "something loved" as actually being a wife........ponder that for a moment
Where do you get that those not originally bidden are gentiles?
 
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Where do you get that those not originally bidden are gentiles?
Oh I don't know....maybe because Jesus went to the Jews first and they rejected him and he turned Paul unto the Gentiles......but to be fully HONEST.......I fully expect you to argue the validity of that point, argue the validity of the point that it makes sense based upon history, fully expect you to argue that there can be more than 2 groups invited to the wedding supper and fully expect you to reject anything I say.........so...seeing how you always ask me like you want to know and then argue and finally make some flippant generic post about my error and how your view is the only one that can possibly be correct....

Why do you even ask me?....you always argue that which I have hammered out based upon the verbiage, words, verb tense, definitions, historicity and over 3 decades of worthless study......???
 
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Go to the parable of the wedding supper and how the original guests (JEWS) that were bidden refused to go, were busy, etc. And then notice how those that were not originally bidden are brought into the wedding supper (GENTILES) and they are called GUESTS at the wedding SUPPER..........Matthew 22:1-14 <--one example ---->I have a question....how is it possible for one to be the bride and guests at the same time for the wedding feast/supper?

I also want to say that having love for something like one would love a wife does not equate to the "something loved" as actually being a wife........ponder that for a moment
Thanks for the reply

Matthew 22 King James Version (KJV) And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of tee14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

It would seem the first two were called to come but saw no interest in the unseen things. (as if they were spiritual things) Other came without representation of the nation as gentiles When the King representing our father in heaven came in he saw a man not clothed which the righteousness of Christ He cast him out. The ones that remained when the wedding supper had started to consummate the wedding the veil be lifted up all changed in the twinkling of the eye no longer male nor female Jew nor gentile but a new creation receiving her goal . What we are is not what we will be on the last day

Something loved" as actually being a wife. . . great idea...Most wife's like mine need more of.
 
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I gave an explanation as to HOW the Gentiles could actually descend from one of the tribes of Israel. You want more explanation? Here you go, which I doubt you will believe, because you don't want to,

The 144,000 follow the lamb wherever he goes,

They follow the Lamb wherever he goes… (Revelation 14:4 [NIV])​

Just as the believers, who are gathered at the second coming of Yeshuah Messiah, will then always be with Yeshuah,

For the Master himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in the Messiah will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Master in the air, and so we will always be with the Master. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)​

The 144,000 are also called first fruits,

…They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. (Revelation 14:4 [NIV])​

Just as the believers are also called a first fruits,

He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. (James 1:18 [ESV])​

The 144,000 also have a seal,

saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” (Revelation 7:3 [ESV])​

Just as believers also have a seal, which is the airflow of God,

In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised set-apart airflow, (Ephesians 1:13)​
And it is God who establishes us with you in the Messiah, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his airflow in our hearts as a guarantee. (2 Corinthians 1:21-22)​

The 144,000 are also purchased,

And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one could learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth. (Revelation 14:3 [NASB])​

Just as the believers are purchased,

you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. (1 Corinthians 6:20 [NIV])​
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the set-apart airflow has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the assembly of God, which he bought with his own blood. (Acts 20:28)​

The 144,000 are also virgins who will not defile themselves with women,

These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins… (Revelation 14:4 [NIV])​

Just as the believers will become virgins at the resurrection, for the believers will not marry nor be given in marriage,

At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. (Matthew 22:30)​

Need I quote more scripture to prove the obvious? Stop being stubborn.
If the bible left out their geneology as you did,your view may have traction.
We know they are Born jews of the 12 tribes.
No need to ascribe gentile or grafted.
It is vividly plain.
Very true! (and I would wonder how they "slaughtered" exactly 12,000 from each of the precise tribes listed, if the OP were true. :unsure: )

Consider again: the "firstfruit" that was associated with the "wheat harvest" involved "TWO LOAVES" and "baken with leaven" (and said to be "unto the Lord" Lev23:17 just like Rev14:4 says), but what is stated of "the Church which is His body" (to, for, and about "the Church which is His body," [SINGULAR]) is specifically that "ye are UNleavened" [factually, positionally, legally] (1Cor5:7--and consider what Ephesians 2 states regarding same; as well as the "G4862 - 'WITH'/ 'united with' / 'identified with' - syn" word that is consistently used with regard to same). "The Church which is His body" is not the wheat harvest.
Not following you.
Are you affirming the 144k as jews?
 
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Oh I don't know....maybe because Jesus went to the Jews first and they rejected him and he turned Paul unto the Gentiles......but to be fully HONEST.......I fully expect you to argue the validity of that point, argue the validity of the point that it makes sense based upon history, fully expect you to argue that there can be more than 2 groups invited to the wedding supper and fully expect you to reject anything I say.........so...seeing how you always ask me like you want to know and then argue and finally make some flippant generic post about my error and how your view is the only one that can possibly be correct....

Why do you even ask me?....you always argue that which I have hammered out based upon the verbiage, words, verb tense, definitions, historicity and over 3 decades of worthless study......???
It would seem he bid, both groups did .One that were prearranged and the other off the highway, freely come or freely go. (and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage).

The wedding attire might be a better choice to look at .It would seem he was not bid at all maybe a back door man.
 
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Oh I don't know....maybe because Jesus went to the Jews first and they rejected him and he turned Paul unto the Gentiles......but to be fully HONEST.......I fully expect you to argue the validity of that point, argue the validity of the point that it makes sense based upon history, fully expect you to argue that there can be more than 2 groups invited to the wedding supper and fully expect you to reject anything I say.........so...seeing how you always ask me like you want to know and then argue and finally make some flippant generic post about my error and how your view is the only one that can possibly be correct....

Why do you even ask me?....you always argue that which I have hammered out based upon the verbiage, words, verb tense, definitions, historicity and over 3 decades of worthless study......???
Man I do not understand why you get so bent out of shape when someone questions or disagrees with you, none of us are going to see things exactly the same way.

Anyway I just wanted to know what words in that passage made you think they were gentiles.
 
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It would seem he bid, both groups did .One that were prearranged and the other off the highway, freely come or freely go. (and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage).

The wedding attire might be a better choice to look at .It would seem he was not bid at all maybe a back door man.
Out of all bidden there was only one who was without the garment and again I point to the fact that they were the GUESTS......it is IMPOSSIBLE to be the GUESTS and the BRIDE at the same time.....anyway.......no biggie to me
 
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Man I do not understand why you get so bent out of shape when someone questions or disagrees with you, none of us are going to see things exactly the same way.

Anyway I just wanted to know what words in that passage made you think they were gentiles.
Not bent out of shape at all.....anyway.....
 

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Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

The "bidden" in the above and the parable in general is spoken against the leaders and priests of 1st century Israel - note in the above "a certain king" - so the invited would be in the "noble" class.

This parable has nothing to do with the Gentiles, Jesus is speaking of the "commoners" of Israel in Matt 22:10 below, the Joe Biddens BigSmile.gif

Mat 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
 
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Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

The "bidden" in the above and the parable in general is spoken against the leaders and priests of 1st century Israel - note in the above "a certain king" - so the invited would be in the "noble" class.

This parable has nothing to do with the Gentiles, Jesus is speaking of the "commoners" of Israel in Matt 22:10 below, the Joe Biddens View attachment 191161

Mat 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Your dunce"ary" never ceases to amaze me.....
 

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The bloodline had ended with Christ. Why is it important after him??
I believe that it states in the bible that his mother Mary had other children after his birth so therefore it is entirely possible that the bloodline continued and possibly to this present day.
 
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Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

The "bidden" in the above and the parable in general is spoken against the leaders and priests of 1st century Israel - note in the above "a certain king" - so the invited would be in the "noble" class.

This parable has nothing to do with the Gentiles, Jesus is speaking of the "commoners" of Israel in Matt 22:10 below, the Joe Biddens View attachment 191161

Mat 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
And you're exactly right and that's why I asked Dcon where did he come up with gentiles. Keep up the good work my friend!
 
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I believe that it states in the bible that his mother Mary had other children after his birth so therefore it is entirely possible that the bloodline continued and possibly to this present day.

That's true brother but that is the bloodline of Joseph and Mary. Our Lord's was Mary and Holy Spirit a bit different.
 
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And you're exactly right and that's why I asked Dcon where did he come up with gentiles. Keep up the good work my friend!
HAHAHAHHAHAA hilarious.....yep...the end came and went in 70 AD.....glad you agree with that line of blather.....explains a lot
 
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He came unto his OWN (JEWS) and his own received him NOT <--1st bidden

You guys should put down the comic books, YouTube videos and fairy tales and actually pick the bible up and study it for once
 

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And you're exactly right and that's why I asked Dcon where did he come up with gentiles. Keep up the good work my friend!
The key is in the text 16:

Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Jesus was just continuing with his upbraiding of them.
 
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The key is in the text 16:

Mat 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Jesus was just continuing with his upbraiding of them.
The key is the whole bible in context....not just a verse or two which is your modus operandi

He came unto his OWN (JEWS) and his own received him NOT <--1st bidden

You guys should put down the comic books, YouTube videos and fairy tales and actually pick the bible up and study it for once