The Abomination of Desolation
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And futurism makes the mistake of playing propht. Isn't it time we as Christian's started using the same methods of interpretation (sometimes called Linear or continuous historic) that we use to prove the first advent of Christ on prophecy concerning the second coming? To gain an understanding of the different methods of interpretation please visit
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yes, if you enter "688" into the search string, you will get 688 in the results. if you add "691" to the search string, you get results for 691.
the mosque's own website states is was built between 687 and 691. at the least, it's agreed that it was completed in 691.
i didn't notice that the end of days occurred anytime in 690-695 AD though.
there is the interpretation that by "days" the prophet meant "years" and that not being 365 day years, but 360 day years, and using 688.5 AD, 1290 "modified" years later you are sort of close to 1967, when the modern state of Israel was formed -- got to do some more mathematical juggling to make that fit just so... i know a lot of people subscribe to that.
but the problem is that the mosque still stands. Israel does not control all of Jerusalem.
i believe there is more to come. God's not finished quite yet with the world. the 'cup of her indignation' isn't quite full.
the mosque's own website states is was built between 687 and 691. at the least, it's agreed that it was completed in 691.
i didn't notice that the end of days occurred anytime in 690-695 AD though.
there is the interpretation that by "days" the prophet meant "years" and that not being 365 day years, but 360 day years, and using 688.5 AD, 1290 "modified" years later you are sort of close to 1967, when the modern state of Israel was formed -- got to do some more mathematical juggling to make that fit just so... i know a lot of people subscribe to that.
but the problem is that the mosque still stands. Israel does not control all of Jerusalem.
i believe there is more to come. God's not finished quite yet with the world. the 'cup of her indignation' isn't quite full.
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Look through the eyes of the prophet what was a year to Daniel? 360 days. What was a year to John? 365.24 days John was the prophet who gave us the 1260 days and 42 months so use what was a year to the prophet the prophecy was given.
Scripture said they were to flee Jerusalem when they saw the dome of the rock. 1260 of John's years takes us from 688Ad to 1948 the year Israel became a nation. Concerning the 42 months we are told they end when the trodding over of Jerusalem ends. Once again a year to John was 365.24 days 365.24 divided by 12 gives us 30.44 days per month. 30.44 x 42 = 1278.48 which. Starting with 688 and going 1278.48 years into the future we come to 1967. The year the Jews took control of Jerusalem ending the trodding over of Jerusalem.
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Oops forgot to address this.
Dan9:27 tells us the AOD stands until the consumation(end). The gifts of God are irrevocable. The dome of the rock stands in the court of the gentiles which was given to the gentiles by GodRev11:2) . It is the profane place of Eze42:20.
We are very close to the Lord's return, there is little left to be fulfilled. I would not be suprised if many on this forum see the second coming, especialy many of those born after 1967.
yeah i get that ^^ & i don't disagree -
sorry i wrote "1967" (the 6-day war) instead of "1948" there - thanks for spelling out the math clearly.
& it is in fact truly wonderful to see; God's word doesn't fail!
but the mosques is still there. Israel doesn't control all the promised land. we still wait for the Day of the Lord, is what i mean to say -- i believe we will see a final desolation, and a final gathering of armies against Israel, and the Lord's return.
sorry i wrote "1967" (the 6-day war) instead of "1948" there - thanks for spelling out the math clearly.
& it is in fact truly wonderful to see; God's word doesn't fail!
but the mosques is still there. Israel doesn't control all the promised land. we still wait for the Day of the Lord, is what i mean to say -- i believe we will see a final desolation, and a final gathering of armies against Israel, and the Lord's return.
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We are told that in the end all nations come against Israel and indeed even as we speak we hear the war drums beating (politicians trying to force Israel to give up land). Even the United States which has histoically been a strong ally of Israel is turning it's back on Israel and starting to side with islam's land grab. Yes we live in perilous times!
Also consider this Luke tells us it is Jerusalem that is desolated not the temple. The most desolate (both physically and spiritually) time of Jerusalem occurred during the 1200 years of islamic control. It was left desolate physically with it's population dropping to an all time low of 550 people during this period. It was also left desolate spiritually as it became illegal under sharia law to worship the true God as islam forced those who lived there to submit to islams false god that has no son. Concerning the AOD still being there see my last post where that was explained.
Also consider this Luke tells us it is Jerusalem that is desolated not the temple. The most desolate (both physically and spiritually) time of Jerusalem occurred during the 1200 years of islamic control. It was left desolate physically with it's population dropping to an all time low of 550 people during this period. It was also left desolate spiritually as it became illegal under sharia law to worship the true God as islam forced those who lived there to submit to islams false god that has no son. Concerning the AOD still being there see my last post where that was explained.
john832, the historical position on this is that it occurred in AD 70 when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. Older commentaries (Matthew Henry's, Adam Clark's, etc.) will verify this. Newer commentaries, those promoting the dispensationalist-futurist interpretation have attempted to reverse the historical position on this subject. They futurize this and Daniel's 70 week to better create the idea of a second chance for "the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9), for the neo-Pharisees they masquerade as "Israel."
Better yet, go to www.truthinhistory.org.
Problem with this is, it is not like what happened in 168BC...
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Antiochus IV stopped the sacrifices, slaughtered a pig on the altar and then erected a statue in the holy place. Christ said to refer back to this. 70AD does not.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Antiochus IV stopped the sacrifices, slaughtered a pig on the altar and then erected a statue in the holy place. Christ said to refer back to this. 70AD does not.
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Ummm...Christ was the last sacrificial Lamb to be accepted by God. Whatever non-believing Jews wanna kill and where after that is on them. The modern day nation of Israel is kind of annoying as it is, since they are the tribe of Judah. Israel was scattered, or is being scattered still, however you wanna look at it. Also, Jesus is pretty specific about them seeing something standing where it should not. I heard something though that I hope is a joke, that the "Christian church of Israel" is going to put up a giant statue of Jesus. LOL No really though, the false prophet makes an image of the beast.
Revelation 13:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Do you guys thing the image of the beast could be the final fulfillment of the abomination? Or am I confusing prophecies concerning different events?
Revelation 13:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Do you guys thing the image of the beast could be the final fulfillment of the abomination? Or am I confusing prophecies concerning different events?
Here I was, thinking that the different-colored text might suggest a hyperlink citing evidence for you assertion, only to find that you didn't attempt to defend this at all. Here's a link that says that the answer is quite uncertain.
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Since the temple is and always has been the body, it's that thing inside the individual that causes desolation to himself and others.
It's the "doom gospel." You can have no peace with it, it will torment you day and night.
But the idea of it being a future single person in a worldly temple structure is much easier to run from than the real abomination.
When will it be? Whenever you see it clearly.
It's the "doom gospel." You can have no peace with it, it will torment you day and night.
But the idea of it being a future single person in a worldly temple structure is much easier to run from than the real abomination.
When will it be? Whenever you see it clearly.