The Abomination of Desolation

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ChosenbyHim

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Haven't seem much lately here about this, what is it? When will it be and what does it mean?


Hello there John, I believe from reading and studying the testimony of the Holy Scriptures that the "abomination of desolation" is the image which the false prophet causes to be made to the beast (Rev. 13:13-14).



Revelation 13:13-14

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13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.



This image of the beast could possibly be a statue which the False Prophet sets up in the Holy Place. And it will take place in the middle of Daniel's 70th week (time of Jacob's trouble), which is also known as the 7 year tribulation.


In the midst (middle) of the 7 year covenant that the antichrist confirms with the Nation of Israel, he will cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease when he (under the direction of the False Prophet) erects this image (statute) inside this holy place located in Jerusalem.


Therefore the "abomination of Desolation" will be this image (statute) which the Beast (antichrist) sets up and places in the holy place. It is this statue (image) that is the abomination of desolation which will be standing in the holy place in the middle of Daniel's 70th week.


Daniel 9

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Now I also want to point out John that it is possible that the "abomination of desolation" could also be the Beast (antichrist) himself. And here is why:
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

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3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



Let us now compare this Scripture with Revelation 13:13-18 to get further understanding:


Revelation 13:13-18

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13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.



We see here therefore that the Beast System is a system of worship. Revelation 13 makes this clear.


Furthermore, from reading the Scriptures above, one should come to the conclusion that while the "abomination of desolation" is the image which the Beast sets up to be worshipped. That it could also be referring to the Beast (antichrist) himself since he sits in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (2 Thess. 2:4).

 
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ChosenbyHim

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Haven't seem much lately here about this, what is it? When will it be and what does it mean?


Hello there John, I believe from reading and studying the testimony of the Holy Scriptures that the "abomination of desolation" is the image which the false prophet causes to be made to the beast (Rev. 13:13-14).


Revelation 13:13-14

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.



This image of the beast could possibly be a statue which the False Prophet sets up in the Holy Place. And it will take place in the middle of Daniel's 70th week (time of Jacob's trouble), which is also known as the 7 year tribulation.


In the midst (middle) of the 7 year covenant that the antichrist confirms with the Nation of Israel, he will cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease when he (under the direction of the False Prophet) erects this image (statute) inside this holy place located in Jerusalem.


Therefore the "abomination of Desolation" will be this image (statute) which the Beast (antichrist) sets up and places in the holy place. It is this statue (image) that is the abomination of desolation which will be standing in the holy place in the middle of Daniel's 70th week.


Daniel 9

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Now I also want to point out John that it is possible that the "abomination of desolation" could also be the Beast (antichrist) himself. And here is why:



2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.



Let us now compare this Scripture with Revelation 13:13-18 to get further understanding:


Revelation 13:13-18

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.



We see here therefore that the Beast System is a system of worship. Revelation 13 makes this clear.


Furthermore, from reading the Scriptures above, one should come to the conclusion that while the "abomination of desolation" is the image which the Beast sets up to be worshipped. That it could also be referring to the Beast (antichrist) himself since he sits in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (2 Thess. 2:4).



2 Thessalonians 2:4

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 
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Haven't seem much lately here about this, what is it? When will it be and what does it mean?
The Antichrist will set up an image of himself in the Jewish Temple, and tries the force the Jews to worship it. This will happen midway doing the Tribulation Period.
 
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abomination of desolation:

A. by definition it must be something that is an abomination.

a·bom·i·na·tion

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noun1. anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.

2.intense aversion or loathing; detestation: He regarded lying withabomination.

3.a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.:Spitting in public is an abomination.


B. by definition it must cause the Temple to become empty and unusable for a long time.

Desolation:
: lacking the people, plants, animals, etc., that make people feel welcome in a place
: very sad and lonely especially because someone you love has died or left

Full Definition of DESOLATE

1: devoid of inhabitants and visitors : deserted

2: joyless, disconsolate, and sorrowful through or as if through separation from a loved one <a desolate widow>

3
a : showing the effects of abandonment and neglect : dilapidated <a desolate old house>
b : barren, lifeless <a desolate landscape>
c : devoid of warmth, comfort, or hope : gloomy <desolatememories>




3.5 years isn't a very long time... is it really long enough to call it 'desolation'?
 
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john832

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abomination of desolation:

A. by definition it must be something that is an abomination.

a·bom·i·na·tion

[uh-bom-uh-ney-shuh
n
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noun1. anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred.

2.intense aversion or loathing; detestation: He regarded lying withabomination.

3.a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.:Spitting in public is an abomination.


B. by definition it must cause the Temple to become empty and unusable for a long time.

Desolation:
: lacking the people, plants, animals, etc., that make people feel welcome in a place
: very sad and lonely especially because someone you love has died or left

Full Definition of DESOLATE

1: devoid of inhabitants and visitors : deserted

2: joyless, disconsolate, and sorrowful through or as if through separation from a loved one <a desolate widow>

3
a : showing the effects of abandonment and neglect : dilapidated <a desolate old house>
b : barren, lifeless <a desolate landscape>
c : devoid of warmth, comfort, or hope : gloomy <desolatememories>




3.5 years isn't a very long time... is it really long enough to call it 'desolation'?
Take a look at the book of Revelation. The Tribulation and the Day of the Lord take up a 3-1/2 year time span, yet Christ says this...

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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there's a beautiful example in 2nd Chronicles 29, where it's been that the Temple was defiled, and Hezekiah had it cleansed. This is something the Israelites had to deal with from time to time as it seems kings enjoy likening themselves to God, go figure. So they had procedure for it, you know, the priests had to cleanse themselves, then bring out the filth, then cleanse themselves again, cleanse the Temple, cleanse the Temple furnishings, bring them back in, and have sacrifices. They even skipped Pesach that year and celebrated it a month later as they are allowed to do if they were sick or too far to make the pilgrimage.

Also, has anybody tried calculating dates starting with Christ instead of with one of the decrees from a king to end the sacrifices? Maybe God was being tongue in cheek as the King, and the one giving the prophecies, and who wrote the whole story of existence. So that people would not look to Him and understand, but to their own understanding, and endlessly debate different calculations. Just thinking.
 
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The Antichrist will set up an image of himself in the Jewish Temple, and tries the force the Jews to worship it. This will happen midway doing the Tribulation Period.

Which of the only 4 verses (quoted for your convenience) that use the term antichrist or antichrists fits this fictional doctrine of men?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can all see the only verses in Scripture don’t support your statement. Surely you weren’t referring to the man of sin as he sitteth in the temple of God, not a Jewish temple the Jews may or may not build. If you want to find the man of sin you need to look in the real temple of God not a building made with hands!

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eph 2:19-21 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

An excellent study on the man of sin can be found HERE <click
An excellent study on antichrist can be found HERE < click
An excellent study on the AOD can be found HERE <click
 
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Also, has anybody tried calculating dates starting with Christ instead of with one of the decrees from a king to end the sacrifices? Maybe God was being tongue in cheek as the King, and the one giving the prophecies, and who wrote the whole story of existence. So that people would not look to Him and understand, but to their own understanding, and endlessly debate different calculations. Just thinking.
Go ahead and try it, you’ll come up empty handed. Regrdless of whether one counts a day as a day or a day as year you won’t find anything that occurred 1290 days or 1290 years after the crucifixion that meets the Scriptural requirements of the AOD.

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
 
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For starters the two horned beast is a kingdom not the false prophet.
We learn in Daniel that in the figurative language of prophecy beasts are kingdoms.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

If the unchanging God/Word tells us a beast is a kingdom in Daniel it will still be a kingdom in Revelation. Can you show us where the unchanging God/Word changed the definition of a beast from a kingdom to the false prophet? Wouldn’t that require Scripture to contradict Scripture?

If you would like to see a hermeneutically sound study of the prophetic Scriptures I suggest reading the free online book The False Prophet <click

May God bless your studies!
I am enjoying this discussion,,it seems to be staying civil even though disagreements,thanks. The first thing I noticed when reading was Jesus saying "whoso readeth let him understand" to me this implies that the message is for all who read this ,not just those in the future or passed, but present. this might be an indication about when and where the abomination and anti Christ takes place. I kinda feel that the church or the body of Christ is the literal temple the place where the spirit of God resides and there is no other.Even if one were built and claimed this honor it would be a lie.So, for the last while I have been looking at the abomination the make god leave his temple(desolation) has to do with the church, by this I mean what is called the church ,not necessarily the true church,although some in it are true Christians for now. But with the command to come out and not to partake of her sins ,might make it destitute of any truth. also I have been considering myself and individuals as also being the temple of the Holy Spirit.Many inferences possibly bear this out . The falling away that must come I see as in the church,the world is already fallen away. ,seems to indicate the church,John said that anti-Christ went out from us so that it would be manifest that they were not of us. Judas was one of the twelve. Many time scripture reminds us to "take heed to ourselves,Or the kingdom being at hand , or it comes not with observation. In the church there is one body with many members ,i think Satan is imitating the plan God gave as his own design for his kingdom. So as Satan sits in the throne of God (the heart) of individuals, He forms a body ,a beast, even a government,led by lust and self interest,blinded by pride that are as scales upon those who are held captive by him ,who love not the truth. i'll stop and let you folks talk some more. These are just leading I believe are of God,but am open.
 
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The term daughter of Babylon is only used in 5 verses, all of them in the Old Testament. Once in Psalms, once in Isaiah, twice in Jeremiah and the last use of the term is in Zechariah. So I am assuming you mean Mystery Babylon (please correct me if I have misunderstood you).

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

For this verse to be true Babylon had to exist when Cain murdered Abel on into our future. After all that is the only way Babylon could contain the blood of all slain upon the earth. Therefore Babylon cannot be constrained by time or location. Since there is not a single city or religion that has existed from the time Cain murdered Abel on into our future we must recognize that Babylon is not a literal city but figurative language. Did the U.S. exist when Cain murdered Abel? Hmmmm Cain was murdered approximately 6000 years ago, the U.S. has only existed for a little over 200 years, this fact alone eliminates the U.S. from being mystery Babylon. But this does not exclude the U.S. (or any other nation) from partaking in her iniquities.

Just my opinion but I suspect Babylon is a figurative picture of all the lost, of the world’s ungodly systems (lust, greed, false religions etc..) and those who glory in them.
My quote lacks the entire study as I often assume people read and study. It is a blending of what started with Babel--->passed through Babylon--->And Culminates with the Daughter of Babylon, (the Nation) Mystery Babylon (that Mega City) and where the Kings of the World meet. Back track (Libertas) (Lady Liberty) and you will find her in the top 6 world empires that exercised dominion over the Middle East and in Babylon she is Ishtar and was backed by twin towers. Ishtar was known as the goddess that makes war from the air. The key is the BLENDING that is found within the texts in Isaiah 13, 21, 47, Jeremiah 50, 51, Psalm 137 and 3 or so chapters found in Revelation.
 
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My quote lacks the entire study as I often assume people read and study. It is a blending of what started with Babel--->passed through Babylon--->And Culminates with the Daughter of Babylon, (the Nation) Mystery Babylon (that Mega City) and where the Kings of the World meet. Back track (Libertas) (Lady Liberty) and you will find her in the top 6 world empires that exercised dominion over the Middle East and in Babylon she is Ishtar and was backed by twin towers. Ishtar was known as the goddess that makes war from the air. The key is the BLENDING that is found within the texts in Isaiah 13, 21, 47, Jeremiah 50, 51, Psalm 137 and 3 or so chapters found in Revelation.[/QUOTE Only human kind existed ,or possibly some thing spiritual .the whole race of man shares all her qualities though. and seem to be born out more every day.
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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I always pictured her slain with a sign like the one put above Jesus saying he was the king of the Jews, like not that she's a woman or thing called 'mystery babylon" but more like....

MYSTERY

Babylon the Great
Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth

To me she represents the elemental powers of the Earth, that we will be freed from through this process. The elemental forces are the curse originally put on Earth at the fall of man. Thus man has either struggled with or worshiped them since. The holy ones are seeds, their blood is water poured out on the Earth. Like Jesus said, "lest a grain of wheat fall to the ground....." Ok enough of that before people get mad at me LOL
 
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I always pictured her slain with a sign like the one put above Jesus saying he was the king of the Jews, like not that she's a woman or thing called 'mystery babylon" but more like....

MYSTERY

Babylon the Great
Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth

To me she represents the elemental powers of the Earth, that we will be freed from through this process. The elemental forces are the curse originally put on Earth at the fall of man. Thus man has either struggled with or worshiped them since. The holy ones are seeds, their blood is water poured out on the Earth. Like Jesus said, "lest a grain of wheat fall to the ground....." Ok enough of that before people get mad at me LOL
Isn't it funny that we feel like we cannot express ourselves because somebody may get their undies in a wad...give her beans captain and speak your mind. Let the fools argue and debate the gnats while they swallow the camels. ;) Not that I am specifically saying that anyone in here is a fool. :)
 
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Which of the only 4 verses (quoted for your convenience) that use the term antichrist or antichrists fits this fictional doctrine of men?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can all see the only verses in Scripture don’t support your statement. Surely you weren’t referring to the man of sin as he sitteth in the temple of God, not a Jewish temple the Jews may or may not build. If you want to find the man of sin you need to look in the real temple of God not a building made with hands!

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eph 2:19-21 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

An excellent study on the man of sin can be found HERE <click
An excellent study on antichrist can be found HERE < click
An excellent study on the AOD can be found HERE <click[/QUOTE

Sorry, I am not here to educate unbelievers.
 
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I am enjoying this discussion,,it seems to be staying civil even though disagreements,thanks. The first thing I noticed when reading was Jesus saying "whoso readeth let him understand" to me this implies that the message is for all who read this ,not just those in the future or passed, but present. this might be an indication about when and where the abomination
Christ made it clear the AOD was still in the future when He said “shall see”.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

“Shall see” means that it was still future when Christ said this.

and anti Christ takes place.
As the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists tell us antichrist is simply a spirit that inhabits those who deny Christ making those individuals an antichrist (there are many), not something that takes place.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

I kinda feel that the church or the body of Christ is the literal temple the place where the spirit of God resides and there is no other.
No doubt in my mind at all Scripture positively proves it.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
Eph 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth untoan holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Even if one were built and claimed this honor it would be a lie.
Absolutely as the following verses confirm.
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

So, for the last while I have been looking at the abomination the make god leave his temple(desolation) has to do with the church, by this I mean what is called the church ,not necessarily the true church,although some in it are true Christians for now.
Don’t make the mistake of confusing the abomination of desolation with the falling away. The AOD is an it that is set up. The falling away is not somehing that is set up but is something that occurs as a result of lack of faith or falling away from truth. How would Dan12:11 work with your view?
Dan 12:11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Did the falling away occur 1290 days after the sacrifices stopped? Unless the daily sacrifices are reinstated ( and we know they won’t be) then your theory cannot be supported by Scripture.

As for the rest of your post goes I’ll refrain from commenting as discussing a theory built on a false premise will not be productive.


May God bless your studies!
 
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My quote lacks the entire study as I often assume people read and study.
Regardless of how much others study the Scriptures, that doesn’t mean they will come to the same conclusions as you or understand how YOU arrived at your conclusions . This is the reason why you need to explain your view or at least provide a link to a study demonstrating the message you are attempting to convey, after all we aren’t mind readers.

It is a blending of what started with Babel--->passed through Babylon--->And Culminates with the Daughter of Babylon, (the Nation) Mystery Babylon (that Mega City) and where the Kings of the World meet. Back track (Libertas) (Lady Liberty) and you will find her in the top 6 world empires that exercised dominion over the Middle East and in Babylon she is Ishtar and was backed by twin towers. Ishtar was known as the goddess that makes war from the air. The key is the BLENDING that is found within the texts in Isaiah 13, 21, 47, Jeremiah 50, 51, Psalm 137 and 3 or so chapters found in Revelation.
The key is studying to rightly divide the word of truth. Just throwing up a post that requires us to be mind readers in order to understand what you are trying to convey and the reasoning behind it is counterproductive and only adds confusion to the discussion. Now if you would like to show the Scriptures and reasoning that details your belief then maybe it could be discussed otherwise an attempt to discuss your view will be an exercise in futility.

May God bless your studies!
 
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doulos

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#78
Which of the only 4 verses (quoted for your convenience) that use the term antichrist or antichrists fits this fictional doctrine of men?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can all see the only verses in Scripture don’t support your statement. Surely you weren’t referring to the man of sin as he sitteth in the temple of God, not a Jewish temple the Jews may or may not build. If you want to find the man of sin you need to look in the real temple of God not a building made with hands!

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Eph 2:19-21 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

An excellent study on the man of sin can be found HERE <click
An excellent study on antichrist can be found HERE < click
An excellent study on the AOD can be found HERE <click
Sorry, I am not here to educate unbelievers.
Your implication that I am not a believer is totally uncalled for. Sadly as your posts demonstrates those unwilling or incapable of defending their positions resort to attacking others.
As you are led friend, as you are led!
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#79
The first scholarly argument I saw for Islam being the anti-Christ or religion that would produce the anti-Christ was distributed by no less than Open Doors, the ministry famous for assisting the persecuted church. I'm familiar with the standard eschatological arguments on the subject; however, personally don't know for sure which one of them is correct.

What I do know is that calling someone a non-believer because they hold to such an eschatological argument IS totally uncalled for revealing an astounding ignorance in what the qualifications for being a believer in Christ actually are.

Hint, they have zero to do with your belief on which of the standard views is correct regarding this topic. Grow up biscuit.
 
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KittenofMelchisedek

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#80
Ok, thanks to D for some encouragement. The Abomination is the unfaithfulness of the Bride, as she accepts the antichrist in her husbands stead. When we have the void of being broken people, living in an evil generation, united under one really evil "good" looking phoney (who is similar to, but a future version of all the other especially bad guys like Antiochus), we will hate the witnesses and the stage will be set. Good vs evil, angel vs demon, the saint with Christ vs the world and it's beast, the final tweedle beetle battle.

When I read the Prophets, it's the infidelity of Israel that seems most painful to the cause of Christ and our Creator. He straight up says, you know, I could have left you in your own blood. When I first encountered the false prophet it was in the church, (duh, the lawless need no prophet, they're already gone, they need Jesus), but I cried and cried to God how he could be so patient with his daughter, his sister, his bride. I was so sad, and it struck me, that breaking God's heart was the abomination, and that's when I started looking at the law as how to minister to God to love on him and practice obedience, instead of thinking on why I had freedom through Christ not to follow them. I'm not saying we should follow the law, I'm saying the spirit of rebellion in the hearts of those who claim to love God or to know Jesus. This is the abomination. The heart that unites the Holy Spirit to a prostitute. Those that put a stumbling block under their feet, and teach others to do so, are boned. And one of these boned idiots will probably erect a statue somewhere stupid or other such thing. Some say it will be a hologram, I don't know about that, but I do think it will be something crazy enough to make people thing it's the second coming.

There are many beasts, many abominations, many anti-christs...when you add the word the, it implies that it's the epitome, no? Just as Israel must be scattered to the ends of the Earth.