The Abomination of Desolation
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The idea that islam could be the leopard, bear, lion beast or that a day = a year in many of the Scriptures is not new. Despite the fact that todays commonly taught doctrines hold that most of the prophetic Scriptures were either fulfilled in 70AD or just prior to the second coming eliminate either view (separated by a span of 1900+ years on the timing when the prophetic Scriptures are fulfilled) from considering that mohammad is the false prophet and that islam is the beast does not discount the FACT that many of the reformers themselves considered this to be a possibility.
Wesley believed Islam played a role. Many know that Martin Luther believed that Catholicism played a role in mystery Babylon, few realize he believed that islam was the kingdom of antichrists. Calvin believed Dan11:37 was applicable to islam. Jonathan Edwards also believed islam played a role. Concerning the belief that in many of the prophetic Scriptures a day can mean a year is not new either. A short list of those would include Matthew Henry, John Wycliffe. Martin Luther, and Thieleman van Braght, (while not for the feint of heart those who have not read Martyr’s Mirror by van Braght have missed out on a fascinating book providing a history of those martyred for Christ)
There are many more unfortunately most of my books are packed away and in storage (and unfortunately will remain that way until my situation changes) or I could provide more names for both lists (concerning islam and counting a day as a year) along with quoutes and sources.
So while many believe that those of us that believe islam islam is the leopard, bear, lion beast of Rev13 are basing our eschatological beliefs on today’s headlines, they would be incorrect. It appears that the church has forgotten what many of the reformers knew.
May God bless your studies!
Wesley believed Islam played a role. Many know that Martin Luther believed that Catholicism played a role in mystery Babylon, few realize he believed that islam was the kingdom of antichrists. Calvin believed Dan11:37 was applicable to islam. Jonathan Edwards also believed islam played a role. Concerning the belief that in many of the prophetic Scriptures a day can mean a year is not new either. A short list of those would include Matthew Henry, John Wycliffe. Martin Luther, and Thieleman van Braght, (while not for the feint of heart those who have not read Martyr’s Mirror by van Braght have missed out on a fascinating book providing a history of those martyred for Christ)
There are many more unfortunately most of my books are packed away and in storage (and unfortunately will remain that way until my situation changes) or I could provide more names for both lists (concerning islam and counting a day as a year) along with quoutes and sources.
So while many believe that those of us that believe islam islam is the leopard, bear, lion beast of Rev13 are basing our eschatological beliefs on today’s headlines, they would be incorrect. It appears that the church has forgotten what many of the reformers knew.
May God bless your studies!
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I'm not much on guess work theology. I have provided Scripture that says a beast is a kingdom. I have provided Scripture that shows God does not change. You on the other hand have provided a guess. Can you provide a verse that positively identifies a beast as a false prophet? If not then why would I consider your guess as a viable option? Should we believe a guess or what the unchanging God has provided in His inspired word?
May God bless your studies!
May God bless your studies!
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Just because you can cut and paste scripture does not mean that we will come to your conclusions as we like context as well. The beast and his kingdom is a blending of more than just a few verses out of Revelation 
HAHAH just razzin you mi amigo!
HAHAH just razzin you mi amigo!
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It is a fact that many Protestant reformers, including Martin Luther, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer, John Thomas, John Knox, and Cotton Mather, believed the Roman Papacy to be the Antichrist.
What is not so wildly known amongst Protestants today; however, is that some of them also believed Islam was as well.
Calvin and Luther saw the Antichrist as both the papacy and Islam. The papacy was the Western Antichrist and Islam the Eastern Antichrist. Calvin refered to them as the two "horns" and Luther called them the two "legs" of the Antichrist. (Luther's Works, Weimer ed., 53, 394f).
"the Pope is the spirit of antichrist, and the Turk is the flesh of antichrist. They help each other in their murderous work. The latter slaughters bodily by the sword; and the former spiritually by doctrine."
—Martin Luther, Tischreden, Weimer ed., 1, No. 330.
Islam According to the Reformers - Reformation Society
You're right to point this out.
What is not so wildly known amongst Protestants today; however, is that some of them also believed Islam was as well.
Calvin and Luther saw the Antichrist as both the papacy and Islam. The papacy was the Western Antichrist and Islam the Eastern Antichrist. Calvin refered to them as the two "horns" and Luther called them the two "legs" of the Antichrist. (Luther's Works, Weimer ed., 53, 394f).
"the Pope is the spirit of antichrist, and the Turk is the flesh of antichrist. They help each other in their murderous work. The latter slaughters bodily by the sword; and the former spiritually by doctrine."
—Martin Luther, Tischreden, Weimer ed., 1, No. 330.
Islam According to the Reformers - Reformation Society
You're right to point this out.
I don't think so, but am not dogmatic about it.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
It is possible, but I think it a stretch. Christ was pretty specific about it being just as Daniel said...
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
This was Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Epidimes).
Here is an excellent commentary on Dan 11...
http://bible.ucg.org/bible-reading-program/materials/dan11x.pdf
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
It is possible, but I think it a stretch. Christ was pretty specific about it being just as Daniel said...
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
This was Antiochus IV Epiphanes (Epidimes).
Here is an excellent commentary on Dan 11...
http://bible.ucg.org/bible-reading-program/materials/dan11x.pdf
in the scriptures you give in rev.13, is rev. 13;12,,,"he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,ect.,,,and causeth them therein to (worship the first beast)ect.
i am saying this because we are considering "islam to be the aod" and trying to see if it is also the "image of the beast",,,so my curiosity is if we say that "Jerusalem who was destroyed in ad70 is the beast before it" then "Islam is not trying to get us to worship the first beast before it",,that is Islam is against the Jews and not for them.
now if we think that Islam is trying to get us to worship the "head of gold/Nebuchadnezzar",,but in Danial the description of the Babylonians was that they took the wise men of all the kingdoms they overthrew and looked for the wisest one. so a type of "freedom of religion",but only to the point where he set up the image of the man and required them to fall down and worship it(so i suppose their religion was open-minded and then single minded"
but the two horned beast does something that is hard to figure out in rev.13;12 it "causes them to worship the first beast before it",,so what is the first beast before it? is it Rome,the Islams are not trying to get us to worship Rome or Greece or any of the Greek gods,,is it Egypt? the Islams aren't trying to get us to worship any of the Egyptian gods. is it Christianity,the Islams are against Christianity and so they are not trying to get us to worship the son of god.
now i am not defending Islam,i am christian,,i do see that Islam fits somewhere in the prophecies,but where?,,, now i just as curious as the rest of you about this and i think unless we think about it and tell each other what's on our mind about it we will never see it. lol,ive pretty much looked at the same things you are discussing in the pages before but when i get to rev. 13;12,,thats where it kind of gets stuck,,,but I'm listening don't think I'm closed minded,,