The Absurdity of ‘Born a Sinner’

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Guys were a all born in sin. Sin is a state first and an action after. It is this state that requires grace because there is nothing we can do to fix it except accept Jesus...God actually deals with the condition of man, this is why a are called a new creation. But then we now empowered to live as Christ did. The power that raised Christ from the dead now lives in us. This is no simple Power. Therefore we have everything we need to dominate sin. Does it mean we do it perfectly all the time? No. When we are found in error we repent before God and move on. He who endures to the end shall be saved. God bless
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We are not held accountable for Adam's sin.
(Eze 18:1) The word of the LORD came to me: "What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'? As I live, declares the Lord GOD, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: it is the soul who sins that shall die.

(Eze 18:20) It is the soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Exd 32.31-33 So Moses returned to the LORD and said, "Alas, this people has sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold. But now, if you will forgive their sin--but if not, please blot me out of your book that you have written." But the LORD said to Moses, "The person who has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book.

We will only be judged for our own actions

Mat 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgement people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

1Pe 1:17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile,


God requires man to act and do something to be saved...infants can't do this.

Luk 13:3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Act 2:40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, "Save yourselves from this crooked generation."

Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,

The Bible describes infants are pure and holy:

Why would Jesus use infants as a model for all believers to imitate in character if they were "utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil"?

Mat 18:1 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:13 Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, but Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
 
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jandian

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I agree that we are accountable for our actions.... However if you don't treat with that lost state, all your righteousness will be as filthy rags
 

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I agree that we are accountable for our actions.... However if you don't treat with that lost state, all your righteousness will be as filthy rags
That is why we need to repent.
 

jandian

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You know if what you saying is right then people who have been good all their lives would not have needed Christ. People like David and they who continuously repented before God and found favour with God would not have needed Jesus Christ......
 

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You know if what you saying is right then people who have been good all their lives would not have needed Christ. People like David and they who continuously repented before God and found favour with God would not have needed Jesus Christ......
That is why those who were living before Christ are saved.

In our dispensation it is different and we need to turn to Christ in repentance, believing.
Good works don't save but are a result of our salvation, not the cause of it.
 

jandian

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Thats my point... without salvation non of our works would matter.
 

homwardbound

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Admittedly, I did not ask the question in a very clear manner with the desired understanding in mind.

Not very "free", is it?

Thus our will is limited by:

  • Our Nature
  • Our Conditions
  • Our Desires (to a lesser degree)
  • The knowledge of God
Very good so in essence either one is controlled by the devil or God depending on one's choice even if one chooses neither for there are thoser that choose self over either. But truly even if one chooses self ultimately that one has not chosen to trust God

I see your points you made and they are good points as well as God ultimately knows what I will choose or you or have chosen. So coming down the road this way it appears as if no one has free choice yet God said we do including Adam and Eve even though they were told they would die and they did to the Spirit of God and even physically many years later.
I know this I have made my choice and it is to be controlled by God but God told me that I have free choice still it is up to me to do as he bids for me to do. When God says to me God wants me to go here or there it is my choice to do it or not, just as it has been all along from the beginning. God is not a tyrant a comodant, God is my friend. So if I do not have free choice or it is just limited after I have made my choice to serve God. Then how could God claim to love you, for then one would be a puppet on a string. And if this is the way it is then why did God give that one free choice to Adam and Eve. They were already perfect no sin in them at all. For God is perfect and makes no mistakes, The serpent used by Lucifer at the time brought doubt and put it on display, yet God has shown mercy since then WOW!

I thank God each and every day for my free choice and am learning to listen to his love that is shed abroad in my heart
Thanks for this topic, God is still teaching me in all things
Remember brother Sin always takes occasion by the commandment, so if I have no free choice, then sin will take occasion from the commandment and that is not of or from God
Homwardbound
 

tribesman

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WHAT MIND ARE YOU IN?

peace

until standingthegap spammers keep misapplying this:

Rom 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.

see it?
can't be.
not able.

no new birth.

Tommy, the carnal ppl in Romans 8 are deaf dumb and blind sinners. but they sure play a mean pin ball.

Romans 8 is contrasting LOST AND SAVED, OKAY?

knock it off.
plus could you make your font smaller and fix your formatting so i don't have to scroll so much to get to the point (which you made the first time you posted your false doctrine).

thx.
Me likes fresh air.

 

tribesman

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I agree that we are accountable for our actions.... However if you don't treat with that lost state, all your righteousness will be as filthy rags
The good news is that God in Christ have already treated or dealt with that lost state. That's why we are to live for Him in gratitude for doing this thing that we could never ever do.
 
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The good news is that God in Christ have already treated or dealt with that lost state. That's why we are to live for Him in gratitude for doing this thing that we could never ever do.
Take it a bit further,it is what is defines the difference between those that belong to Him and those that belong to the world. It is what truly breaks the sin,because if we have it we can not sin,because if we have it sin can not be found in it. It's not out of duty that we obey. (It's why Jesus warned about those who do all those good things but yet He tells them to depart from Him) It's the motive of the heart because they never loved Him or came to know Him. Not only does He not know them they never knew Him either and never got to the heart of what Jesus was saying. The motivation comes out of a heart of love. Love can not sin. If we truly love God we will love in the same way He loves us,and it will be evident by the love we show to one another. It is the whole basis of 1 John. If we love God we will have the same love for our brothers and sisters,and if we don't have that love,we show that we are liars and do not belong to Him. Perhaps if we could understand the power that is in His love and if we would ask Him to replace the heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh it would become so real to others that we truly are different and they would see the real Jesus in us.
 

tribesman

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Take it a bit further,it is what is defines the difference between those that belong to Him and those that belong to the world. It is what truly breaks the sin,because if we have it we can not sin,because if we have it sin can not be found in it. It's not out of duty that we obey. (It's why Jesus warned about those who do all those good things but yet He tells them to depart from Him) It's the motive of the heart because they never loved Him or came to know Him. Not only does He not know them they never knew Him either and never got to the heart of what Jesus was saying. The motivation comes out of a heart of love. Love can not sin. If we truly love God we will love in the same way He loves us,and it will be evident by the love we show to one another. It is the whole basis of 1 John. If we love God we will have the same love for our brothers and sisters,and if we don't have that love,we show that we are liars and do not belong to Him. Perhaps if we could understand the power that is in His love and if we would ask Him to replace the heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh it would become so real to others that we truly are different and they would see the real Jesus in us.
Belong is the keyword. Amen.