The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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You oppose my witness
exactly ... your ...

When your "witness" aligns with Scripture, you and I will be in agreement ...

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.




 
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Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:13 is a great truth !

Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believe, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise


Ye trust after ye hear

after ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise.


The Lord Jesus Christ tells us in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Stand on the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ.


 

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exactly ... your ...

When your "witness" aligns with Scripture, you and I will be in agreement ...

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
Correct you oppose my witness to the truth, glad you admit it.
 

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Ephesians 1:13 is a great truth !

Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believe, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise


Ye trust after ye hear

after ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise.


The Lord Jesus Christ tells us in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Stand on the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you understand why I used Eph 1:13 to make a great point ?
 
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Correct you oppose my witness to the truth, glad you admit it.
"your" :rolleyes:

Proverbs 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Galatians 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.



 

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The Free Gift is Justification of Life, not a offer !

Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

All for whom Christ died, here in this verse called " the righteousness of one" He obtained for them Justification of Life, in other words, all for whom He died and Justified, as an evidence of it, receive Life, Spiritual Life. All for whom He died receive as an Gift, the Effectual Working the Spirit to Life and Salvation. This Gift of Life is bestowed upon them in New Birth.

The HB reads:

So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone.

The GWT reads:

Therefore, everyone was condemned through one failure, and everyone received God's life-giving approval through one verdict.

When Jesus said that lifting up [ crucifixion/death on tree] He will draw all men to Him, that's the Life of being Justified.

The Spirit must give Life to all for whom Christ died. Not one soul He died for shall remain in spiritual death, that contradicts the Gift of Justification of Life. 265
 

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"your" :rolleyes:

Proverbs 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Galatians 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Yes my witness to the truth. God calls His people to give the word of their testimony Rev 12:11


And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
 
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Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

All for whom Christ died ...
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.



brightfame52 said:
The HB reads:

So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone.

The GWT reads:

Therefore, everyone was condemned through one failure, and everyone received God's life-giving approval through one verdict.
It does not matter which version you read ... they all say the same thing ... all men (KJV) ... everyone (HB version, GWT version)


"your" witness :rolleyes:

Proverbs 25:14 Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Galatians 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.



 
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Yes my witness to the truth. God calls His people to give the word of their testimony Rev 12:11

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Revelation 12:

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.


now continue reading what goes on after the dragon has been cast unto the earth ...

Revelation 13:

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.



When "your" witness aligns with God's Word, then you will overcome the adversary ... even if it means you loved not [your life] unto the death (Rev 12:11).


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!



 

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The fruit of Christ's Death !

John 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

This scripture condemns all who reject the Truth that Christ's Death, His dying, saved all for whom He died, in and of itself. This verse tells us if that Corn of Wheat dies , which is Christ, it brings forth much fruit.

Now what is the much fruit ? The fruit is Justification before God. Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

To be made Righteous is Justification before God, which is the fruit of Christ's Death or dying for the many He died for.

The fruit is Redemption Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

The word redemption here is the greek word apolytrōsis and means:

a releasing effected by payment of ransom

a) redemption, deliverance

b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

The fruit His Death is liberation, deliverance, a releasing. Those He died for are released from all penalty of sin, and they are liberated from being a servant of sin, Christ sets them free. Jn 8:32-36

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

The word free is the greek word eleutheroō :

to make free

2) set at liberty: from the dominion of sin

The fruit of Christ dying is that those He died for are set free from the dominion of sin.

The fruit of Christ's Death is the New Birth or being born again 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This being begotten again is New Birth or Born Again. Begotten again. Its the greek word anagennaō:

to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God


This means that the fruit of Christ's Death produces a New Life [Spiritual] New Birth in order that those Christ died for can now Live unto God according to His Will and Purpose.

The fruit of Christ's Death is that it gives conversion. It gives a Change of Mind, which is Repentance.

The word for Repentance is metanoia d means :

a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done

Now what does anagennaō mean above for begotten again ?

metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

So Repentance is a Fruit of Christ dying Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

To deny this is to deny Christ, deny His Death, Deny His Cross, it deny's the Saving Fruit of His Death its simply against Christ !
 

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Christ's Death effects the births of many brethern!


Rom 8:29

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

To this end Christ did die and rise again, that He should be the Firstborn of many brethren Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Remember Jesus was speaking of His Death here Jn 12:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Well that much fruit brought forth are the many brethren He is he firstborn of .

The word born in firstborn Rom 8:29 its the word tiktō and means:

to bring forth, bear, produce (fruit from the seed)

Now see how that complements Jn 12:24 and this is effected y His Death, being that Corn of wheat that falls into the Ground and die. This is referring to His Death.

It is those also Peter writes that they have been begotten again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

This is the Fruit as a result of the Corn of Wheat falling to the ground and dying.
 

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It made them Righteous or Justified !

Many today in false religion do deny that Christ's Death alone, in and of itself, for those He died in behalf of, that it constituted them Righteous or Justified. However that is exactly what Rom 5:19 teaches Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The One here in the second section is Jesus Christ, and the obedience is His Death as Per Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

His Obedience is His Death of the Cross. Now pay attention to its sure effects, it made many Righteous, which is to be Justified. The word Justified in scripture : The greek word dikaioo:


to render righteous or such he ought to be

2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

So His Death, His Obedience will show many to be made Righteous.

The word made in Rom 5:19 is the word kathistēmi:

to set, place, put

a) to set one over a thing (in charge of it)

b) to appoint one to administer an office

c) to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be

d) to constitute, to render, make, cause to be

e) to conduct or bring to a certain place

f) to show or exhibit one's self

1) come forward as


So, this is an accomplishment of the Death of Chris alone, for the Many He died for, all of them.

To deny this effect and result of the Sole Death of Christ is denying Christ, its against Christ !

Everyone Christ died for is declared Righteous, which also means they have Christ's Righteousness Imputed to them.

All for whom He died have His Complete Obedience as The Son of God in the flesh charged to their account, just as their sins and demerit were charged to His Account. 14
 

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It saves from the power of sin.

One of the accomplishments of the Death of Christ for all whom He died, is that He saves them from the power of sin. To be saved from the power of sin is to be also saved from unbelief, yes unbelief in one is because the power of sin is reigning in them. They are while in unbelief under the power of darkness Col 1:13

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Or from the domain or authority of darkness. As such are minds are blinded from believing the Gospel 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

That word for blindness actually means to darken the mind, which is part of the power of darkness. Before we can believe we must be delivered from this power and Christ's Death accomplishes that, Redemption.
 

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Saved from God's Wrath !

1 Jn 2:2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The whole world [jew and gentile people] here is a propitiated world, and as such, they have been saved from God's Wrath through Christ's Blood Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 3:25

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

All who Christ's Blood propitiated God's wrath for or in behalf of, are given Faith in His Blood.

His Blood has saved them from wrath. It has delivered them from going down into the pit Zech 9:11

As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
 
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1 Jn 2:2

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The whole world [jew and gentile people]
the whole world is the whole world ... [jew and gentile people] does not appear in the text and was added by you in order to prop up your dogma (i.e. more eisegesis on your part, brightfame52).




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Rom 3:25

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

All who Christ's Blood propitiated God's wrath for or in behalf of, are given Faith in His Blood.
Faith is inherent in all mankind. Everyone has faith ... even unbelievers have faith.

The difference between the unbeliever and the believer is that when truth is told to the unbeliever, the unbeliever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness ... just as Rom 1:18 tells us.

Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō, which means to suppress, hold back, restrain. When the Word of God is spoken or when the truth of God is revealed to them, the unbeliever restrains the truth from reaching his/her heart. The unbeliever rejects the truth. They reject God.

Psalm 50:17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.

The question is not “does someone have faith”.

The question is “in what (Who, more specifically) do we place our faith”.

The more someone places their faith in (believes) a lie, the worse it is for them.

The atheist places his/her faith in the fact that there is no God. He/she remains weak in faith (i.e. unbelief) ... even to the point where God strengthens that unbelief (hardens their heart).

The believer places his/her faith in the Truth that God is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein. The believer's faith is strengthened as he/she believes more and more of the Truth of God's Word.



 

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the whole world is the whole world ... [jew and gentile people] does not appear in the text and was added by you in order to prop up your dogma (i.e. more eisegesis on your part, brightfame52).





Faith is inherent in all mankind. Everyone has faith ... even unbelievers have faith.

The difference between the unbeliever and the believer is that when truth is told to the unbeliever, the unbeliever suppresses the truth in unrighteousness ... just as Rom 1:18 tells us.

Romans 1:18-19 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

The words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechō, which means to suppress, hold back, restrain. When the Word of God is spoken or when the truth of God is revealed to them, the unbeliever restrains the truth from reaching his/her heart. The unbeliever rejects the truth. They reject God.

Psalm 50:17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.

The question is not “does someone have faith”.

The question is “in what (Who, more specifically) do we place our faith”.

The more someone places their faith in (believes) a lie, the worse it is for them.

The atheist places his/her faith in the fact that there is no God. He/she remains weak in faith (i.e. unbelief) ... even to the point where God strengthens that unbelief (hardens their heart).

The believer places his/her faith in the Truth that God is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein. The believer's faith is strengthened as he/she believes more and more of the Truth of God's Word.
Obviously you dont know what propitiation is.
 

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Christ's Healing Stripes !

1 Peter 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Christ's Healing stripes results in those He died for, those whose sins He bear in His own Body on the tree, results in them living unto righteousness, which is to live by Faith.
 

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Turns us into a Kingdom or Priests.

Christ's death alone is seen to effect and to save experimentally all for whom He Loved and died for here Rev 1:5-6

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Now it is stated that through or by His Love and Blood [Death] that those he died for are experimentally made Kings and Priests. Notice the same Blessed Truth here Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

By His Blood or Death they were made Kings and Priests.

Now some translate it Rev 1:6

6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen. ASV


6 And formed us into a kingdom (a royal race), priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the power and the majesty and the dominion throughout the ages and forever and ever. Amen (so be it).AMP

Which is why Peter says this 1 Peter 2:9

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Nevertheless, this status was said to be effected solely by the Blood of Christ.

They were made said Vs 6

and hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

This word made both here and in Rev 5:10 is the greek word poieō:

1) to make

a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion, etc.

b) to be the authors of, the cause

c) to make ready, to prepare

d) to produce, bear, shoot forth

e) to acquire, to provide a thing for one's self

f) to make a thing out of something

g) to (make i.e.) render one anything

1) to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that

2) to (make i.e.) declare one anything

h) to put one forth, to lead him out

i) to make one do something

1) cause one to

j) to be the authors of a thing (to cause, bring about)

2) to do

a) to act rightly, do well

1) to carry out, to execute

b) to do a thing unto one

1) to do to one

c) with designation of time: to pass, spend

d) to celebrate, keep

1) to make ready, and so at the same time to institute, the celebration of the passover

e) to perform: to a promise

His Blood therefore made them to be Priests unto God or caused them to be.

What this means is that His Blood or Death produces them to live a devoted, consecrated life of Christian Service to God, as it was typed out by the OT Priests did in Israel.

We can say again, that as a result of His Redemptive Death, those He died for were caused to become a Kingdom of Priests, and to reign with Him in this Life spiritually Rom 5:17

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ )

This had nothing to do with they did themselves, to say so is detracting from the Work of Christ's Blood, against the scripture witness of His Saving Death. Those He Loved and died for shall be made a Priest unto God, period ! 14