The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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Now take a look at post 940
address the issue, brightfame52 ...


In post #934, brightfame52 says:


"they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God "

In Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ says:

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


In Scripture, Peter says:

Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

In Scripture, Paul says:

Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.




READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
 

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Christ's Death alone Delivers those He died for ! 3

Its because of what Christ's Death accomplished against the great power and strength of the devil, that those whom He died for believed the Gospel, not because of any freewill choice of theirs, that's idolatry; However it is because Christ's Redeeming Death alone delivered all them He died for from the prison house and slavery of satan. Jesus by death bound the strong man and spoiled his goods of which all are by nature. Mark 3:27

No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

Christ's Death alone bound the strong man satan, which releases those He died for from the deception and lies of his. Rev 20:2

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Remember what the serpent did to the mother of the elect church eve ? 2 Cor 11:3

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

When satan is bound he looses his power of deceiving over the elect of God, but when he is loosed, it is then so that he can deceive. Rev 20:3

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Rev 20:7-8

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

This will be only after all the Elect are sealed in the world, the rest satan shall deceive, because Jesus death was not for them, and they remain the goods of the strong man ! That's why True Believers are so grateful for the Accomplishment of Christ's redeeming death, it redeemed them from him who was much stronger than they. Jer 31:11

For the Lord hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.
 

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"love your neighbor as yourself". if you were someone else - 'elect' or non (you're not aware of such things - just a seeker of things spiritual or of God or the Bible) -- what would benefit you to hear? that only the elect are saved - or something else that might help you become closer to truth ("i am the way, the truth, and the life")?
Telling your neighbor the Truth about God is Loving your neighbor. So Gods Glory should be the priority. So did you understand the post ? Do you understand the thread ?
 

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address the issue, brightfame52 ...


In post #934, brightfame52 says:

"they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God "

In Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ says:

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


In Scripture, Peter says:

Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

In Scripture, Paul says:

Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.




READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
Christ's Death alone Delivers those He died for ! Do you understand this ? I have gone into detail explaining this Christ honoring Truth.
 
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First of all . God is a God of Glory. Second of All Jesus said ," He receives not honor from men” Third of All it is the Spirit of God , who Glorifies God “ He shall glorify me “. Fourth of all You give Glory God by bearing fruit , “ Herein is my Father Glorified that you bear much fruit. ‘ Not by performance.
If I am rude in speech I am not in knowledge . You are offensive Bright Fame because you lack the integrity to be honest and compare scripture with scripture. If I rebuke a false teacher like yourself I cannot say I doubt my salvation over it . You can copy and paste your text-heavy off topic ramblings until the cows come home. You can imagine that people who really have a relationship with the Word of God want to interpret scripture after your manner. My advice is cease and desist. You are walking Contrary to God and my feeling is is that he will continue to walk contrary to you.
 
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Christ's Death alone Delivers those He died for ! Do you understand this ? I have gone into detail explaining this Christ honoring Truth.
I have shown you that your claims do not align with Scripture.

In your Post #934, you claimed

"they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God "

and I have shown you that your claim completely contradicts God's Word:

In Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ says:
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
In Scripture, Peter says:
Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
In Scripture, Paul says:
Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.




READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
 

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I have shown you that your claims do not align with Scripture.

In your Post #934, you claimed

"they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God "

and I have shown you that your claim completely contradicts God's Word:

In Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ says:
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
In Scripture, Peter says:
Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
In Scripture, Paul says:
Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.




READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
You evidence you oppose Christ honoring truth.
 
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You evidence you oppose Christ honoring truth.
nope. I revealed that you directly contradict the Lord Jesus Christ:

In your Post #934, you claimed


"they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God "

and I have shown you that your claim completely contradicts God's Word:

In Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ says:
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You directly contradict Peter:

In Scripture, Peter says:
Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


You directly contradict Paul:

In Scripture, Paul says:
Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.


When you directly contradict what is written in God's Word, you are not following God's Word ... you are following doctrines of men :(


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
 

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Those who teach a false Christ, a Christ whose death did not actually in and of itself save no one, but merely made possible salvation, teach another jesus than the one from Scripture, who has been promised to Save His People from their sins Matt 1:2

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now as an effect of this Jesus's meritorious death, all for whom He died and redeemed through His Blood, the Holy Spirit produces a New Creation in their inner man, its called a New Man Eph 4:24; Col 3:10, or a New Creature Gal 6:14-15

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

It is this New Creation or New Man by the Spiritual Graces in Him by the Spirit, that believes In Christ because of Salvation ! 262
 

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nope. I revealed that you directly contradict the Lord Jesus Christ:

In your Post #934, you claimed

"they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God "

and I have shown you that your claim completely contradicts God's Word:

In Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ says:
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You directly contradict Peter:

In Scripture, Peter says:
Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


You directly contradict Paul:

In Scripture, Paul says:
Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.


When you directly contradict what is written in God's Word, you are not following God's Word ... you are following doctrines of men :(


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
I gave 3 posts that shows Christ's Death alone Delivers those He died for ! And you have opposed them. So frankly you dont believe Christs death alone delivers them He died for, do you ?
 
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I gave 3 posts that shows Christ's Death alone Delivers those He died for ! And you have opposed them. So frankly you dont believe Christs death alone delivers them He died for, do you ?
I oppose your manipulation of Scripture.

You claim "they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God " as you did in post #934 and you have been shown that your words do not align with Scripture ...


Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.



I'll follow the example of the Lord Jesus Christ ... "It is written"


 

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I oppose your manipulation of Scripture.

You claim "they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God " as you did in post #934 and you have been shown that your words do not align with Scripture ...


Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Acts 2:37-38 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Acts 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.



I'll follow the example of the Lord Jesus Christ ... "It is written"
No you oppose the witness of scripture.
 

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The Holy Spirit is sent as a result of Christ's redeeming blood, He is sent to work upon the souls of all whom Christ died and produce in them the efficaciousness of His Death, its Saving Effects. All for whom He died, and He is their living Saviour, the Holy Spirit gives each of them [on behalf of Christ] to experimentally partake of Christ's Life for them 1 Jn 4:9

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Jn 10:10

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The word might here used with the clause hina is stating the Purpose of God, not a contingency.

In other words, His Death is the cause of those He died for being made alive to God !

Each of them will be made partakers of the Divine Nature by New Birth 2 Pet 1:3-4

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 263
 
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No you oppose the witness of scripture.
nope ... I oppose your manipulation of Scripture.

When the Lord Jesus Christ tells us Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 4:17) and when the Lord Jesus Christ tells us For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... I believe the Lord Jesus Christ.

When you claim "they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God " as you did in post #934 ... I will believe the Lord Jesus Christ and stand on His Word.


Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.



 
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All for whom He died, and He is their living Saviour, the Holy Spirit gives each of them [on behalf of Christ] to experimentally partake of Christ's Life for them 1 Jn 4:9

In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
more of your manipulation of Scripture :rolleyes:

"all for whom He died"

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.


When the Lord Jesus Christ tells us Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 4:17) and when the Lord Jesus Christ tells us For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... I believe the Lord Jesus Christ.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
 

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nope ... I oppose your manipulation of Scripture.

When the Lord Jesus Christ tells us Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 4:17) and when the Lord Jesus Christ tells us For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... I believe the Lord Jesus Christ.

When you claim "they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God " as you did in post #934 ... I will believe the Lord Jesus Christ and stand on His Word.


Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
You oppose scripture.
 

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more of your manipulation of Scripture :rolleyes:

"all for whom He died"

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.


When the Lord Jesus Christ tells us Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 4:17) and when the Lord Jesus Christ tells us For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... I believe the Lord Jesus Christ.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
More opposition of scripture, those who Christ died for shall be made to live.
 
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You oppose scripture.
nope. I oppose your manipulation of Scripture ...

When the Lord Jesus Christ tells us Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 4:17) and when the Lord Jesus Christ tells us For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... I believe the Lord Jesus Christ.


When you claim "they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God " as you did in post #934 ... I will believe the Lord Jesus Christ and stand on His Word.


Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
 

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Raised and Exalted a Prince and Saviour !

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


Now scripture here states that He was raised /exalted to be a Prince and a Saviour ! Now what does it mean really that Christ was raised to be a Saviour ?

Its because those for whom He died, and was raised again for their Justification as Per Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Its because all those are Saved ! He could not be a Risen and Exalted Saviour and Prince without Saved subjects. Sorry, but He was not exalted to be a potential Prince and Saviour for those He died, but a legitimate, bonafide and actual Saviour of actual individuals.

And that's to whom the Gospel is sent to, to announce to them the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

And the Gospel to them [the saved] is God's Power [Rom 1:16] persuades them to believe in their Salvation of Christ.

So the Gospel is sent as the Power of God to convert those who are saved by regeneration[Christ's Resurrection Life] Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

If those Christ died for and rose again in behalf of are not saved by that, then He did not raise as their Saviour.
 

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nope. I oppose your manipulation of Scripture ...

When the Lord Jesus Christ tells us Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 4:17) and when the Lord Jesus Christ tells us For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16) ... I believe the Lord Jesus Christ.

When you claim "they did not have to believe or repent to get that Legal standing of Justification from all sin before God " as you did in post #934 ... I will believe the Lord Jesus Christ and stand on His Word.


Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
You oppose my witness to the truth, and the saving success of Christs death.