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Well, I would I like to believe that.
Calling me "Mr Twisty" and attacking me personally is unChrist like, my friend. Oh, and no. I do not get easily offended. I think I do rather well when folks slander me and or saying bad things towards me. Here are two examples.
Example 1:
ECT The Everyone is Welcome OSAS Discussion Thread. - Page 12 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
Example 2:
ECT God hates the sin but loves the sinner (And desires all people to repent). - Page 5 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
While you do surprise me with "liking" certain posts by me, it still does not excuse wrong behavior of treating others in a disrespectful way by calling them names that they do not approve of. Insults are not becoming of the saints.
Calling me "Mr Twisty" and attacking me personally is unChrist like, my friend. Oh, and no. I do not get easily offended. I think I do rather well when folks slander me and or saying bad things towards me. Here are two examples.
Example 1:
ECT The Everyone is Welcome OSAS Discussion Thread. - Page 12 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
Example 2:
ECT God hates the sin but loves the sinner (And desires all people to repent). - Page 5 - Theology Online | Christian Forums & More
While you do surprise me with "liking" certain posts by me, it still does not excuse wrong behavior of treating others in a disrespectful way by calling them names that they do not approve of. Insults are not becoming of the saints.
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I will just address this one that is bolded...
1. You generation of vipers<--John the Baptist
2. Hypocrites, blind leaders of the blind, white washed coffins filled with dead men's bones<--Jesus
3. Elijah mocking and ridiculing the prophets of Baal
4. Peter being called a hypocrite in so many words by Paul withstanding him to his face
5. Galatian Church and Paul calling them foolish and bewitched
Tell that to Jesus, John, Paul, Elijah etc.
Like I said........Mr. Twisty is used as a description of what you have done and do SOMETIMES and not necessarily a proper name Jason!
1. You generation of vipers<--John the Baptist
2. Hypocrites, blind leaders of the blind, white washed coffins filled with dead men's bones<--Jesus
3. Elijah mocking and ridiculing the prophets of Baal
4. Peter being called a hypocrite in so many words by Paul withstanding him to his face
5. Galatian Church and Paul calling them foolish and bewitched
Tell that to Jesus, John, Paul, Elijah etc.
Like I said........Mr. Twisty is used as a description of what you have done and do SOMETIMES and not necessarily a proper name Jason!
First, John the Baptist was addressing a crowd as sinners. Second, he had the Holy Spirit since birth. Third, Christians are not supposed to mock others. For It is written...
Matthew 15:11 ESV
"It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”
Ephesians 5:4
"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks."
Proverbs 26:18-19 NIV
18 "Like a maniac shooting flaming arrows of death
19 is one who deceives their neighbor and says,
"I was only joking!""
Colossians 4:6
"Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man."
Ephesians 4:29 ESV
"Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear."
Proverbs 18:20-21
20 "A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."
James 1:26
"If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain."
Titus 2:7-8 ESV
"Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us."
Matthew 12:36
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
Jesus is the Son of God who could read people's thoughts and know their hearts. You can't do that.
You are not Elijah and not a prophet of Baal. Neither are we living during the times of the Old Testament either.
Paul didn't call him bad names. You are seeing something that is not there.
Paul was a speaker for Jesus Christ. He was a chosen mouth piece of Jesus.
For Paul said that what he had written was the Lord's Commandments.
Paul's writings were also not of his own human mind. All Scripture is of the inspiration of God.
That's the thing. It is wrong to accuse someone in such a way. It is childish and insulting. You are not writing Scripture and or speaking dirrectly for God. Instead of sticking with attacking the doctrine, you attack me with an insult. Insults are not only unChristian, but it is also not an approved method of communication here at CC.
Matthew 15:11 ESV
"It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”
"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks."
18 "Like a maniac shooting flaming arrows of death
19 is one who deceives their neighbor and says,
"I was only joking!""
"Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man."
"Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear."
20 "A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled.
21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."
"If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain."
"Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us."
"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
You are not Elijah and not a prophet of Baal. Neither are we living during the times of the Old Testament either.
Paul didn't call him bad names. You are seeing something that is not there.
Paul was a speaker for Jesus Christ. He was a chosen mouth piece of Jesus.
For Paul said that what he had written was the Lord's Commandments.
Paul's writings were also not of his own human mind. All Scripture is of the inspiration of God.
That's the thing. It is wrong to accuse someone in such a way. It is childish and insulting. You are not writing Scripture and or speaking dirrectly for God. Instead of sticking with attacking the doctrine, you attack me with an insult. Insults are not only unChristian, but it is also not an approved method of communication here at CC.
My points made in the bolded below......and your bolded above is EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE CHARGED ME WITH..
First of all you assumptions are incorrect...go read every post I have made and when it has been proven to me that I am missing the mark I adjust my view and acknowledge truth....
Second, your claim of spiritual maturity and knowledge is contradicted by your ability to be easily offended.
Third, what you have said does not change the fact that you will consistently reject truth, words in context, Greek words and verses in context that teach contrary to some of your beliefs.
Fourth, when you have said something biblical I have (liked) it and even stated that I agree with you.....
So......Jason......you still have no ability to take the heat and or constructive criticism and truth about how you really are....!
So...whatever!
S
But He did explain this command. You really should care. Are we giving Him assurance that we are worthy of salvation, or are we giving ourselves assurance that we are worthy of salvation? Surely we cannot prove to God that we are worthy, as He stated clearly in the Word that we have not earned salvation.
When we produce good works, we gain assurance, because we KNOW that we are not capable of good on our own. The presence of good works reminds us of His presence with us. When we know that He is working through us to produce good, we have assurance of His presence with us, and of our salvation.
Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine.
We cannot earn salvation, but we can gain assurance.
When we produce good works, we gain assurance, because we KNOW that we are not capable of good on our own. The presence of good works reminds us of His presence with us. When we know that He is working through us to produce good, we have assurance of His presence with us, and of our salvation.
Blessed assurance, Jesus is mine.
We cannot earn salvation, but we can gain assurance.
A
Do you really believe that ALL BACs live a lifestyle of habitual repentance from sin?
Do you really believe that NO BACs choose the flesh and sin over obedience
(at least for a season)?
Let's get real here ... there's room for some middle-ground
... we don't have to choose one extreme view or another.
There will come a time soon when ...
some real BACs will choose to be disobedient and take the mark of the beast.
Stick around and see for yourself.
I'm not saying to refuse to go in the pre-trib rapture!
Let's see ... how many LOLs am I allowed to post?
Is this enough? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Do you really believe that NO BACs choose the flesh and sin over obedience
(at least for a season)?
Let's get real here ... there's room for some middle-ground
... we don't have to choose one extreme view or another.
There will come a time soon when ...
some real BACs will choose to be disobedient and take the mark of the beast.
Stick around and see for yourself.
I'm not saying to refuse to go in the pre-trib rapture!
Let's see ... how many LOLs am I allowed to post?
Is this enough? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
C
Just the black lines, Brother. A "real" BAC will never take the mark. Hope you know that.
As usual - about this topic of who will be "saved in the end" [mind you that I read the whole thread and "liked" what I agree with also] that the problem is not whether one believes in OSAS or not but HOW one Defines "the elect".
The elect will not fall-away in the end because we're "elect according to the FOREKNOWLEDGE of God" - "His People which He foreknew" - "whom He did foreknow" .... would be faithful until the end.
You are absolutely right that God never had one puppet man walk this earth in all of human history. We all have had freewill with the angels since Adam .... but God "chose/elected" [same word in Greek] - those whom He foreknew would love Him of their own freewill and if they love Him they will be faithful to His Words as much as anyone would for someone that they loved more than life here on earth.
When a man loves a woman or a woman loves a man - don't they do everything that they can to please that person?
Why does God not get the same type of love as we give those that we swoon over?
We know that we love Him when we keep His commandments - John wrote.
God foreknew before the foundation of the world, who would love Him faithfully following Him unto their end.
And I'm with you on not believing in sinless-perfection and all for confessing our sin to Him and Romans 8 -- "walking in the Spirit" as Jesus did as our Example while He was in the flesh ... getting everything from Him/His Spirit -- for "without Him we can do Nothing" ... and when walking in His Spirit - the Word of God is made ALIVE to us and we see the "whole" of it and not just a verse or chpt here and there but the Whole.
Walking in the Spirit [capital S in the KJV] is as you and others have said, that co-operative relationship of a husband and wife [Gal 5] and if we're "married to Christ" we will act like we are. We'll walk after His Words to us. His love letters and every letter of it.
While walking in the Spirit -- we can't take "the glory" for just dancing with our feet on top of His. We're letting Him "lead" as men were to lead a lady in the dance and never the lady lead the man [back when that was the custom].
Reading Romans 8 and seeing that the "Spirit" in capitals is such a blessing and eye opener. Amen?
It's obedience 'Jesus style' ... after His living Example of how He walked while on earth. "walking as He walked"
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Those that do these things until death [the wedding vows] are His Elect that He foreknew - THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
As usual - about this topic of who will be "saved in the end" [mind you that I read the whole thread and "liked" what I agree with also] that the problem is not whether one believes in OSAS or not but HOW one Defines "the elect".
The elect will not fall-away in the end because we're "elect according to the FOREKNOWLEDGE of God" - "His People which He foreknew" - "whom He did foreknow" .... would be faithful until the end.
You are absolutely right that God never had one puppet man walk this earth in all of human history. We all have had freewill with the angels since Adam .... but God "chose/elected" [same word in Greek] - those whom He foreknew would love Him of their own freewill and if they love Him they will be faithful to His Words as much as anyone would for someone that they loved more than life here on earth.
When a man loves a woman or a woman loves a man - don't they do everything that they can to please that person?
Why does God not get the same type of love as we give those that we swoon over?
We know that we love Him when we keep His commandments - John wrote.
God foreknew before the foundation of the world, who would love Him faithfully following Him unto their end.
And I'm with you on not believing in sinless-perfection and all for confessing our sin to Him and Romans 8 -- "walking in the Spirit" as Jesus did as our Example while He was in the flesh ... getting everything from Him/His Spirit -- for "without Him we can do Nothing" ... and when walking in His Spirit - the Word of God is made ALIVE to us and we see the "whole" of it and not just a verse or chpt here and there but the Whole.
Walking in the Spirit [capital S in the KJV] is as you and others have said, that co-operative relationship of a husband and wife [Gal 5] and if we're "married to Christ" we will act like we are. We'll walk after His Words to us. His love letters and every letter of it.
While walking in the Spirit -- we can't take "the glory" for just dancing with our feet on top of His. We're letting Him "lead" as men were to lead a lady in the dance and never the lady lead the man [back when that was the custom].
Reading Romans 8 and seeing that the "Spirit" in capitals is such a blessing and eye opener. Amen?
It's obedience 'Jesus style' ... after His living Example of how He walked while on earth. "walking as He walked"
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Those that do these things until death [the wedding vows] are His Elect that He foreknew - THE BIBLE SAYS SO.
C
Submission or being in subjection to our Heavenly Husband is not for our own assurance - submission or being in subjection to is obeying because we love Him ... as many other verses testify to.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
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Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
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John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
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Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
~*~
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.