THE BRIDE OF CHRIST
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No actually I agree we are by Christ's finished work of the life, death and resurrection; to be dead to our own self with Christ daily back at the cross, to be alive in Spirit to God the Father daily, not concerned anymore over if one sins or not. No time for that when one is tooooooo busy praising, worshipping and thanking God in Spirit, the mystery that fulfilled in Christ, I see this now, I did not get it for years and was working in the energy of my own flesh trying to please God and others by what I was trying to do, getting pats on the back by others which fooled me all the more into the trap of the flesh deeper and deeper it went, until I saw it is all God and none of me or anyone else. So I put my all in to trusting God and quit working to trust. I was a hearer and not a doer. A doer just simply trusts God to teach him error from truth to be set free
All that beleive are brides of Chirst, one in him and he is one in the Fasther and through him we are made one by Father, it is waht it is, and there is nothing anyone can do to improve on what is done, period, but man gas got ot try, being sold a bill of goods, that decieves
All that beleive are brides of Chirst, one in him and he is one in the Fasther and through him we are made one by Father, it is waht it is, and there is nothing anyone can do to improve on what is done, period, but man gas got ot try, being sold a bill of goods, that decieves
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
The above was before the cross and the resurrected Christ as he is now today after the cross, we are given the Holy Spirit of promise
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Wondering who should be doing the works in and through us, is it to be God in the form of the Holy Spirit, to lead us as what led Christ?
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
The marriage is now by beleif in the Chirst our redeemer
The above was before the cross and the resurrected Christ as he is now today after the cross, we are given the Holy Spirit of promise
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Wondering who should be doing the works in and through us, is it to be God in the form of the Holy Spirit, to lead us as what led Christ?
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
The marriage is now by beleif in the Chirst our redeemer
In the Spirit yes, and the true Church (Tabernacle) is in Heaven is it not? Yes marriage is now, where we believe are set free in God through Son and plainly trust Father to do the works of Father through us as Christ the Son did. And Sister no flesh can do this for God is Spirit and can only be worshiped in Spirit and truth John 4:23-24
Address the future context as found in these verses.
Matthew 25:1-13
Parable of the 10 virgins.....Vs. 10 And while they went to buy (foolish virgins), the bridegroom (CAME); and they that were ready WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE MARRIAGE: and the door was shut. ------->FUTURE CONTEXT
Revelation 21:1-3
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, PREPARED AS A BRIDE ADORNED FOR HER HUSBAND. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.----->FUTURE CONTEXT
Revelation 21:9-10
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB’S WIFE. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that GREAT CITY, the HOLY JERUSALEM descending out of heaven from God.------->FUTURTE CONTEXT
2nd Corinthians 11:1-2
Would to God ye could bear with me in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.---->espoused does not equal marriage and supports FUTURE CONTEXT ---->betroth, woo, espoused--->not married
Matthew 25:1-13
Parable of the 10 virgins.....Vs. 10 And while they went to buy (foolish virgins), the bridegroom (CAME); and they that were ready WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE MARRIAGE: and the door was shut. ------->FUTURE CONTEXT
Revelation 21:1-3
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, PREPARED AS A BRIDE ADORNED FOR HER HUSBAND. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.----->FUTURE CONTEXT
Revelation 21:9-10
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB’S WIFE. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that GREAT CITY, the HOLY JERUSALEM descending out of heaven from God.------->FUTURTE CONTEXT
2nd Corinthians 11:1-2
Would to God ye could bear with me in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.---->espoused does not equal marriage and supports FUTURE CONTEXT ---->betroth, woo, espoused--->not married
Paul's letter to the Corinthians was to straighten out the heresies that they received in being forgiven. Which was taking it for granted, they were carnal Christians and needed admonishment to come to whole truth and love as God loves. They were carnally minded. And needed maturity into what and why Christ died for them. So being carnal Paul put them back under Law to bring them to understand about their weak flesh that can't please God and to trust in the finality of Christ's work at the cross, to come to new life in trust of the Father as Christ trusted all the way through to the resurrection, suffering the punishment he did not deny Father ever.
He did not go to the cross for himself, he was and is perfect, glorified by Father for us to come to Father through Son and be just, not of our self of what Christ did for us to appreciate it, so praise and thank God as King David saw afar off when he said this:
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Today after the cross we are set free being, having imputed righteousness en-grafted into us by Father through the Son
Thank you Jesus and Father for this, and making me, and all that believe you one in you as You and Son are
He did not go to the cross for himself, he was and is perfect, glorified by Father for us to come to Father through Son and be just, not of our self of what Christ did for us to appreciate it, so praise and thank God as King David saw afar off when he said this:
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Today after the cross we are set free being, having imputed righteousness en-grafted into us by Father through the Son
Thank you Jesus and Father for this, and making me, and all that believe you one in you as You and Son are
It leaves us with: to be married unto Father though Son, Paul can't and does not just like God force us to drink the water of Marriage where we never thirst again, that part is up to each person as to whether or not they want to be married to Father
I just espoused you to be married to Father through Son, the rest is between Father and you
I am married to Father through Son and by that alone and am thankful, for this gift
I just espoused you to be married to Father through Son, the rest is between Father and you
I am married to Father through Son and by that alone and am thankful, for this gift
Okay. . .let's look at 2Co 11:2 in the light of the whole NT, which does not contradict itself.
First, the only Biblical way that one body can be someone else's body
is in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage (Ge 2:24).
The church is (not "will be") the body of Christ (Eph 1:22-23, 4:12; 1Co 12:27; Col 1:18, 24)
in the only way it can be; i.e., in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage (Eph 5:31-32).
Secondly, let's look at 2Co 11:2:
"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband."
Jealous? . . .that's "intolerance of rivalry in matters of interest and affection."
One husband? . . .that indicates another one in the picture somewhere.
So what is this "godly jealousy" about?
Paul is in a rivalry with the false apostles (v. 4),
who would "espouse" (convert) the Corinthians to a false Jesus in a false gospel (v. 4).
He is "exercised" (concerned) to keep them from being corrupted by the false teaching of the false apostles (vv. 2-3).
He is "jealous" to preserve them in the faith to which, through him, they were converted; i.e. espoused to Christ.
His espousal of them is their conversion through him, which conversion unites them with Christ
Jesus in the marriage union.
This meaning of 1Co 11:2 enjoys complete agreement with the rest of the NT.
So 1Co 11:2 actually has nothing to do with the time frame for the union of the Lamb and his Bride,
and has no bearing on the import of Eph 5:31-32.
First, the only Biblical way that one body can be someone else's body
is in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage (Ge 2:24).
The church is (not "will be") the body of Christ (Eph 1:22-23, 4:12; 1Co 12:27; Col 1:18, 24)
in the only way it can be; i.e., in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage (Eph 5:31-32).
Secondly, let's look at 2Co 11:2:
"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband."
Jealous? . . .that's "intolerance of rivalry in matters of interest and affection."
One husband? . . .that indicates another one in the picture somewhere.
So what is this "godly jealousy" about?
Paul is in a rivalry with the false apostles (v. 4),
who would "espouse" (convert) the Corinthians to a false Jesus in a false gospel (v. 4).
He is "exercised" (concerned) to keep them from being corrupted by the false teaching of the false apostles (vv. 2-3).
He is "jealous" to preserve them in the faith to which, through him, they were converted; i.e. espoused to Christ.
His espousal of them is their conversion through him, which conversion unites them with Christ
Jesus in the marriage union.
This meaning of 1Co 11:2 enjoys complete agreement with the rest of the NT.
So 1Co 11:2 actually has nothing to do with the time frame for the union of the Lamb and his Bride,
and has no bearing on the import of Eph 5:31-32.
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Rachel was not without spot, she stole from her Dad, and I found no record for repentance and of coarse itwas before law was put in place to show us our sinfulness, selfishness that is, and \death still came as does still to this day, being in unredeemed flesh.
The only flesh that ever pleased God is Christ's and he was born of the virgin, so I am not nor is anyone else, so I can't ever please God by me flesh, and so I reckon me dead to flesh with Chirst at the death in the flesh of Christ, being made comformed to death and alive in the Spirit by the same resurrected Christ in the Spirit not the flesh, an gift to us from Father. Do we hear that a gift, are we going to respond in thanks and praises or are we going to go out and say watch my smoke as if we can do better than Christ already did?
The only flesh that ever pleased God is Christ's and he was born of the virgin, so I am not nor is anyone else, so I can't ever please God by me flesh, and so I reckon me dead to flesh with Chirst at the death in the flesh of Christ, being made comformed to death and alive in the Spirit by the same resurrected Christ in the Spirit not the flesh, an gift to us from Father. Do we hear that a gift, are we going to respond in thanks and praises or are we going to go out and say watch my smoke as if we can do better than Christ already did?
Did Christ come here the first time to bring us death or life? We are born in the flesh dead to the Spirit of God through the womb right? And in need of being born again right?
So the marriage is being born again in the Spirit of God right here right now true or false? And yes there is a future to come every microsecond is the future and the same as in past
We are his right now or we are not, tha tis dependent on whether we believe or not right now, today right?
Therefore "I" die daily and see the new life daily in the Spirit, learning to never leave that walk in the Spirit where only thanksgiving, praises and worship is truly at.
To0day is the choice to be made and be married to Father through Son
So the marriage is being born again in the Spirit of God right here right now true or false? And yes there is a future to come every microsecond is the future and the same as in past
We are his right now or we are not, tha tis dependent on whether we believe or not right now, today right?
Therefore "I" die daily and see the new life daily in the Spirit, learning to never leave that walk in the Spirit where only thanksgiving, praises and worship is truly at.
To0day is the choice to be made and be married to Father through Son
2 Samuel 3:14 (KJV) [SUP]14 [/SUP]And David sent messengers to Ishbosheth Saul's son, saying, Deliver me my wife Michal, which I espoused to me for an hundred foreskins of the Philistines.
Hebrew Strong's Number: 781
Hebrew Word: אָרַשׂ
Transliteration: ʾāraś
Phonetic Pronunciation:
aw-ras'
Root: a primitive root
Cross Reference: TWOT - 170
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: None
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
betroth 10
espouse 1
[Total Count: 11]
a primitive root; to engage for matrimony :- betroth, espouse.
Matthew 1:18 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Greek Strong's Number: 3423
Greek Word: μνηστεύω
Transliteration: mnēsteuō
Phonetic Pronunciation:
mnace-tyoo'-o
Root: from a derivative of <G3415>
Cross Reference:
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Betroth, Espoused
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
espouse 3
[Total Count: 3]
from a derivative of <G3415> (mnaomai); to give a souvenir (engagement present), i.e. betroth :- espouse.
Luke 1:27 (KJV) [SUP]27 [/SUP]To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Greek Strong's Number: 3423
2 Corinthians 11:2 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Greek Strong's Number:718
Greek Word: ἁρμόζω
Transliteration: harmozō
Phonetic Pronunciation:
har-mod'-zo
Root: from <G719>
Cross Reference:
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Espoused
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
espouse 1
[Total Count: 1]
from <G719> (harmos); to joint, i.e. (figurative) to woo (reflexive to betroth) :- espouse.
Hebrew Strong's Number: 781
Hebrew Word: אָרַשׂ
Transliteration: ʾāraś
Phonetic Pronunciation:
Root: a primitive root
Cross Reference: TWOT - 170
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: None
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
betroth 10
espouse 1
[Total Count: 11]
a primitive root; to engage for matrimony :- betroth, espouse.
Matthew 1:18 (KJV) [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Greek Strong's Number: 3423
Greek Word: μνηστεύω
Transliteration: mnēsteuō
Phonetic Pronunciation:
Root: from a derivative of <G3415>
Cross Reference:
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Betroth, Espoused
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
espouse 3
[Total Count: 3]
from a derivative of <G3415> (mnaomai); to give a souvenir (engagement present), i.e. betroth :- espouse.
Luke 1:27 (KJV) [SUP]27 [/SUP]To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Greek Strong's Number: 3423
2 Corinthians 11:2 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Greek Strong's Number:718
Greek Word: ἁρμόζω
Transliteration: harmozō
Phonetic Pronunciation:
Root: from <G719>
Cross Reference:
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Espoused
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
espouse 1
[Total Count: 1]
from <G719> (harmos); to joint, i.e. (figurative) to woo (reflexive to betroth) :- espouse.
Okay. . .
First, it's a parable, it has an allegorical, not a literal, meaning.
Secondly, Jesus' work on the cross was future,
salvation by forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77) was future,
union with Christ in marriage through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25) was future.
And when he spoke relating to them he spoke future.
Remember, private interpretation (as opposed to Biblical interpretation, as in Da 2) of prophetic riddles
is uncertain, for they can be, and are, validly interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.
So your interpretation of that prophetic riddle is not a certain interpretation on which doctrine can be built.
For that reason, I do not take my doctrine from unfulfilled prophetic riddles subject to differing interpretations.
Previously addressed, here.
First, it's a parable, it has an allegorical, not a literal, meaning.
Secondly, Jesus' work on the cross was future,
salvation by forgiveness of sin (Lk 1:77) was future,
union with Christ in marriage through faith in his blood (Ro 3:25) was future.
And when he spoke relating to them he spoke future.
Remember, private interpretation (as opposed to Biblical interpretation, as in Da 2) of prophetic riddles
is uncertain, for they can be, and are, validly interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.
So your interpretation of that prophetic riddle is not a certain interpretation on which doctrine can be built.
For that reason, I do not take my doctrine from unfulfilled prophetic riddles subject to differing interpretations.
Previously addressed, here.
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Elin,
Since you like Gen 2 so much, You know why mankind fell?
Because the serpent went around the word of God and Eve insist it.
God commanded:
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: v:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Serpent version:
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: v For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
The woman/Eve insist what she had learnt from the serpent and gave the fruit to adam
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
I think you are applying the same technique the Serpent and the woman did…
Since you like Gen 2 so much, You know why mankind fell?
Because the serpent went around the word of God and Eve insist it.
God commanded:
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: v:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Serpent version:
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: v For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
The woman/Eve insist what she had learnt from the serpent and gave the fruit to adam
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
I think you are applying the same technique the Serpent and the woman did…
The true Church in Heaven?????
Homwardbound:
To feed the Church of God
Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
How can you feed the Church of God if it is in Heaven???
You do know that paul did persecute the Church,
Act_8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
A sample church of God in Corinth
1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
A letter from timothy how to behave in the house of God:
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
and Many more....
There are maybe some differences in the teaching...like the seven churches in the book of Revelation...most of them have errors in them...
But the Church is here...and we are part of it...members of the Body...Whether in Spirit or in the flesh...
Homwardbound:
To feed the Church of God
Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
How can you feed the Church of God if it is in Heaven???
You do know that paul did persecute the Church,
Act_8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
A sample church of God in Corinth
1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
A letter from timothy how to behave in the house of God:
1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
and Many more....
There are maybe some differences in the teaching...like the seven churches in the book of Revelation...most of them have errors in them...
But the Church is here...and we are part of it...members of the Body...Whether in Spirit or in the flesh...
Not hard to see that the ones you readily over look and say it is uncertain as to when they are fulfilled......
Has the new heaven and the new earth come yet? NO----->future context I think even a 7 year old in a Sunday School class somewhere could read and KNOW that the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH have not come to fulfillment yet and POINTS TO A FUTURE CONTEXT...You are hilarious!
Has the new heaven and the new earth come yet? NO----->future context I think even a 7 year old in a Sunday School class somewhere could read and KNOW that the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH have not come to fulfillment yet and POINTS TO A FUTURE CONTEXT...You are hilarious!
Firstly, not just "when," but also where, what and how of prophetic riddles is uncertain.
If you don't have certain knowledge of the where, what and how, the "when" tells you little.
Secondly, are you saying this prophecy is only five words?
And therefore the meaning of whole prophecy (five words) is certain,
and not subject to differing interpretations?
If you don't have certain knowledge of the where, what and how, the "when" tells you little.
Secondly, are you saying this prophecy is only five words?
And therefore the meaning of whole prophecy (five words) is certain,
and not subject to differing interpretations?
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