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Absolutely! . . .that is what the text clearly states.

And I suspect the writer of Hebrews got it from the OT, where
the "angels" in Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, in the Hebrew, are the "sons of God."


And then there's the angel in Rev 22:1 who states that he is a fellow servant with the NT saints,
and with their brothers the NT prophets, and of all who keep the words of this book (Rev 22:8-9).

4)
Actually, it does.
The letter is to
Hebrew Christians, and the list presents what they left (Mt. Sinai) in OT Judaism
in contrast to wh
at they came to (Mt. Zion, the new Jerusalem) in the NT church.

And along with the angelic spirits in the church it also presents the spirits of the righteous OT saints,
such as Abel (11:4) and Noah (11:7);
spirits because they are still waiting for the resurrection where they will be re-united
with their resurrection bodies, and
righteous because God credited their faith to them as righteousness, as he did to Abraham (Ro 4:3).


The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
presents both the angelic spirits and the spirits of the redeemed as in the NT church.

6)
Nothing was missed. . .do you know what an allegory is?
Can you not see what a desperate false argument this is,
applying the allegorical image or symbol, literally.

An allegory is not literal, it's the description of one thing under the image of another.
It is one thing used to symbolize another.
To "break into" the allegorical imagery (mothers, covenants, cities)
to include the literal (times of the images) destroys it as allegory.


8) NOT. . .it was asserted only.

Your misunderstanding of Heb 12 is amply demonstrated above, in # 2) and 4).

And the clear context of Eph 5:22-33 is an analogy between
the relationship of Christ to the church and
the relationship of husband to the wife,
wherein Paul states the profound truth of the union of Christ and his bride,
as the pattern of the marriage union between husband and wife.


9) You don't get the Biblical meaning of the marriage union, do you?

As his wife, the church is two-in-one-flesh with Christ; i.e., his body, his flesh and bone.
And Christ is the Lamb, whose bride is the New Jerusalem.
The wife (one in his flesh, his own body) of Christ is the church (Eph 5:31-32).
Christ is the Lamb (Jn 1:29, 36; 1Pe 1:19).
The bride of the Lamb is the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:9-10, 14b).

You must demonstrate the above are untrue, in order to demonstrate the following is untrue:

Therefore, the wife and bride of Christ, the Lamb, is the church, the New Jerusalem.

It's not complicated.


10)
Yes, v. 31 is quoting Gen 2:24.


No it does not, that's not Paul talking (and "directing"), that's Moses talking, in Gen 2:24.

No it is not the cause. That is Gen 2:24, and the cause there is the making of Eve from Adam's own rib,
his own body.
That is the cause for which a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and they will become one flesh.
And that is the order God established at creation based on the pattern of the union of his Son
with those he redeemed, in God's plan to glorify himself through glorifying his Son in the
Church,
wherein God's "manifold wisdom would be made know to the rulers and authorities in
the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose, which he accomplished in Christ Jesus
our Lord." (Eph 3:10-11)


And even in the allegory of Gal 4:25-26, the New Jerusalem represents the free in Christ,
which is the church.

And that New Jerusalem is the Bride of the Lamb.
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1) Well, you don't get to make that call, since perspective is subjective and,
therefore, yours is no more valid than mine.


3)
Are you not the one who is selecting what not to believe in the list in # 2)?

5) The Jerusalem that is above is in v. 26.
The
church (those who are free from the law in the new covenant) is in v. 26.
They are children of a city, its citizens.

7)
So you are taking the symbolism here literally, and an animal marries a city, which is the mother of children?

Honestly, do you even believed what you are saying????

I think you have stretched the meaning of the verses of Hebrews 12 too much, that if there is a delete button, you would press it.
And that is for the innumerable angels only...
how about this...is the meaning of the Church, God the judge of all...

and your reasoning for Ephesian 5, is much worst...

There is just no room to reason with you...


I will leave you with these verses...read them and read eph 5 again..
1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
 
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No matter what your context and how big your picture, it will not overturn
the word of God in the NT teaching of Eph 5:22-33
where the clear context is as an analogy between
the relationship of Christ to the church
and
the relationship of
husband to the wife,
wherein Paul states the profound truth of the union of Christ and his bride,
as the pattern of the marriage union between husband and wife.

No context and big picture will overturn the Biblical meaning of the marriage union where
as his wife, the church is two-in-one-flesh with Christ; i.e., his body, his flesh and bone.

Nor context and big picture will overturn the clear NT teaching that

the wife (one in his flesh, his own body) of Christ is the church (Eph 5:31-32).

Christ is the Lamb (Jn 1:29, 36; 1Pe 1:19).

The bride of the Lamb is the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:9-10, 14b).

Your context and big picture must demonstrate the above word of God is untrue,
in order to maintain that the following is untrue:


Therefore, the wife and bride of Christ, the Lamb, is the church, the New Jerusalem.

Your context and big picture have a lot of clear Scripture to overcome to show
that the church is not the bride of Christ, his body, his flesh and bone,
in the two-in-one-enfleshment of the marriage union, which is God's pattern,
from before the foundation of the world, and in his creation order (Ge 2:4),
for the marriage union of husband and wife.
You know, that is the conclusion that I have come to. The unification of God with his people in New Jerusalem. Thanks for the reply and the thoughts!
 

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Yes Jesus does tell Peter that, but if you look further in scripture you will see like in Revelations where he is to establish his kingdom here on earth. When he spoke to Peter it had not yet been established. Now as for the church being the bride of Christ, why does it say New Jerusalem is the bride. That is simple when that takes place is after His kingdom has been established here on earth, and as we know by scripture the church or believers in Christ will be caught up to Heaven to be with the Lord. After that we will all be together again cause Heaven will be establish here on earth and will all be together.
And yet it is not yet here on earth is it? As of yet, will be one day as God sees fit not man I agree but not yet right?
 
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Elin said:
No matter what your context and how big your picture, you still have to overcome
the word of God in the NT teaching of Eph 5:22-23
,
where the clear context is an analogy between
the relationship of Christ to the church and
the relationship of husband to wife,

wherein Paul states the profound truth of the union of Christ and his bride,
as the pattern of the marriage union between husband and wife.


The context and big picture
must overcome the Biblical meaning of the marriage union
where as his wife, the church is two-in-one-flesh with Christ; i.e., his body,
his flesh and bone.

The context and big picture will have to overcome the clear word of God that

the wife (one in his flesh, his own body) of Christ is the church (Eph 5:31-32).

Christ is the Lamb (Jn 1:29, 36; 1Pe 1:19).

The bride of the Lamb is the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:9-10, 14b).

To overcome the word of God above, the context and big picture
must demonstrate the above word of God is untrue,
in order to overcome the clear word of God that


the wife and bride of Christ, the Lamb, is the church, the New Jerusalem.

Your context and big picture have a lot of clear Scripture to overcome to show

that the church is not the bride of Christ, his body, his flesh and bone,
in the two-in-one-enfleshment of the marriage union,

which is God's pattern, from before the foundation of the world, and
in his creation order (Ge 2:4), for the marriage union of husband and wife.
You know, that is the conclusion that I have come to.
The unification of God with his people in New Jerusalem. Thanks for the reply and the thoughts!
Keeping in mind, however, that Scripture doesn't

present the union of God with his people, in the New Jerusalem,

it presents the union of God with the New Jerusalem, his people, in a marriage


(Rev 21:2, 9, 19:7),

which is consistent with what Paul reveals in Eph 5:31-32:

"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh.
This is a profound mystery--but I'm talking about Christ and the church."
 
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Elin said:
The letter is to Hebrew Christians, and the list presents what they left (Mt. Sinai) in OT Judaism
in contrast to
what they have come (the heavenly Jerusalem) in the NT church.

And along with the angelic spirits in the church (Job 1:6, 38:7)
*, it also presents
the spirits of the righteous OT saints, such as Abel (11:4) and Noah (11:7);
spirits because they are still waiting for the resurrection where they will be re-united with their resurrection bodies, and
righteous because God credited their faith to them as righteousness, as he did to Abraham (Ro 4:3).


The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers
presents both the angelic spirits and the spirits of the redeemed as in the NT church
.

*"Angels" in the Hebrew there is "sons of God."
Honestly, do you even believed what you are saying????
I absolutely believe the word of God. . .you don't?

I think you have stretched the meaning of the verses of Hebrews 12 too much,
that if there is a delete button, you would press it.
And that is for the innumerable angels only...
I appreciate that is your opinion, but do you have any Biblical support for it?

how about this...is the meaning of the Church, God the judge of all...
Okay, let me rephrase.

The list presents what they left in the old covenant under the law (Mt. Sinai) in OT Judaism
in contrast to what they have come in the new covenant (to the heavenly Jerusalem) in the NT church.


In the new covenant made with the NT church, they have come
to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
to the sprinkled blood,
to God the judge of all.

And unless you think you can separate the new covenant from the NT church (people of God)
to whom it is given, then in coming to the new covenant by coming to the NT church,
they have come to the heavenly Jerusalem.

Heb 12:22 identifies the heavenly Jerusalem with the church.

The text speaks for itself,
and your objections to it cannot overcome it.


and your reasoning for Ephesian 5, is much worst...
Assertion without demonstration is without merit.

There is just no room to reason with you...
Very well put. . .

My faith is not based on human reason, but on the word of God.

And there is no room for deviation from the word of God based on human reason with me.

I will leave you with these verses...read them and read eph 5 again..
1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
Done.

And as each body joined in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage (Ge 2:24), has several members,
so the church, the body of Christ through the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage also has many members,

which is completely consistent with the church as Christ's body in two-in-one-enfleshment
of the marital union in Eph 5:31-32.

There is no inconsistency between 1Co 12:18-20 and Eph 5:31-32.
 
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Keeping in mind, however, that Scripture doesn't

present the union of God with his people, in the New Jerusalem,

it presents the union of God with the New Jerusalem, his people, in a marriage


(Rev 21:2, 9, 19:7),

which is consistent with what Paul reveals in Eph 5:31-32:

"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh.
This is a profound mystery--but I'm talking about Christ and the church."
By belief are we one with God now in Spirit and dead to flesh, married, or do we have to wait for the resurrection, when that has already occurred for us to us through the cross that starts at us dying with Christ to the self, and thus being alive here and now in the Spirit of God? Just curious to truth Sister all of it, not part of it, as we all are growing in Father through Christ those of us that do believe anyway.
 
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Elin said:
Keeping in mind, however, that Scripture doesn't

present the union of God with his people, in the New Jerusalem,

it presents the union of God with the New Jerusalem, his people, in a marriage


(Rev 21:2, 9, 19:7),

which is consistent with what Paul reveals in Eph 5:31-32:

"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh.
This is a profound mystery--but I'm talking about Christ and the church."
By belief are we one with God now in Spirit and dead to flesh, married, or
do we have to wait for the resurrection, when that has already occurred for us to us through the cross that starts at us dying with Christ to the self, and thus being alive here and now in the Spirit of God?
Just curious to truth Sister all of it, not part of it, as we all are growing in Father through Christ those of us that do believe anyway.
As shown above, Eph 5:31-32 states that the marriage union of Christ and the church is now.
 

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I think homwardbound may have a follow up response to that...
Hope this thread will go a long way...
 
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The name New Jerusalem indicates that it would be a capital organization, resembling Jerusalem in the days of King David and of his son King Solomon. But what is there to show that the New Jerusalem of 144,000 spiritual Israelites would be the capital organization over all of God’s realm of creation? It is this: The New Jerusalem is called “the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” (Revelation 21:2, 9; 22:17) To this figurative Lamb, it is said: “You were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” (Revelation 5:9, 10) This once slaughtered Lamb is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.. In agreement with that fact, one of the “twelve apostles of the Lamb” wrote to his fellow Christians and said:
“It was not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, that you were delivered from your fruitless form of conduct received by tradition from your forefathers. But it was with precious blood, like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, even Christ’s.”—1 Peter 1:18, 19; 1 Corinthians 5:7.
As a husband, the Lamb Jesus Christ is the head of his bride-wife, New Jerusalem: “a husband is head of his wife.” (Ephesians 5:23) Nevertheless, the bride-wife is made up of spirit-begotten sons of God, who are not only ‘heirs of God,’ but also “joint heirs with Christ.” (Romans 8:16-18)
 

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As shown above, Eph 5:31-32 states that the marriage union of Christ and the church is now.

Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
When is the Marriage? Now....????

 

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The name New Jerusalem indicates that it would be a capital organization, resembling Jerusalem in the days of King David and of his son King Solomon. But what is there to show that the New Jerusalem of 144,000 spiritual Israelites would be the capital organization over all of God’s realm of creation? It is this: The New Jerusalem is called “the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” (Revelation 21:2, 9; 22:17) To this figurative Lamb, it is said: “You were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” (Revelation 5:9, 10) This once slaughtered Lamb is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.. In agreement with that fact, one of the “twelve apostles of the Lamb” wrote to his fellow Christians and said:
“It was not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, that you were delivered from your fruitless form of conduct received by tradition from your forefathers. But it was with precious blood, like that of an unblemished and spotless lamb, even Christ’s.”—1 Peter 1:18, 19; 1 Corinthians 5:7.
As a husband, the Lamb Jesus Christ is the head of his bride-wife, New Jerusalem: “a husband is head of his wife.” (Ephesians 5:23) Nevertheless, the bride-wife is made up of spirit-begotten sons of God, who are not only ‘heirs of God,’ but also “joint heirs with Christ.” (Romans 8:16-18)
If it resembles Jerusalem during the days of King David and Solomon, there is no need for the New Jerusalem...That is why..everything is new
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.



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Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

EVERYTHING NEW...EVEN THE NEW JERUSALEM...
Regarding Ephesian 5, a discussion between me and elin can be read in earlier threads...I just hope that when eph 5 is quoted the rest of it is discussed...

The very root of encouragement:

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour.

Wives submission to husband: (Eph 5:21-24)

Talking to wives:

Christ as Head of the Church….(THE BODY)

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

1Co_11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Going Back to Ephesian 5

Eph 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

The verse was talking about headship…and I think Col 1:18 and 1 Cor 11:3 covers the explanation:

Husband Love your wives: (Eph 5:25-30)

Talking to husband:

CHRIST LOVE THE CHURCH...(THE BODY)

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Going back to Ephesian 5:


Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Christ the Head….the Church is the body:

THE Union OF HEAD AND THE BODY: ( Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.)

Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

To encourage you brothers and sisters;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:



 

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Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
When is the Marriage? Now....????
Yes.

Remember, private interpretation (as opposed to Biblical interpretation, as in Da 2) of prophetic riddles
is uncertain, for they can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

However, we know from certain and unequivocal Biblical teaching (Ge 2:24) that
when a man takes a wife, they become one body in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage.

The church is (present tense) the body of Christ, and she became so when Christ took her as his wife
in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage (Eph 5:31-32).

The marriage is now.
 
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Yes.

Remember, private interpretation (as opposed to Biblical interpretation, as in Da 2) of prophetic riddles
is uncertain, for they can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

However, we know from certain and unequivocal Biblical teaching (Ge 2:24) that
when a man takes a wife, they become one body in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage.

The church is (present tense) the body of Christ, and she became so when Christ took her as his wife
in the two-in-one-enfleshment of marriage (Eph 5:31-32).

The marriage is now.
And all the parables like the 10 virgins and how they are to be prepared for the return of the Bride Groom to do exactly what?

II Corinthians 11:1-2 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have ESPOUSED you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin in Christ.

The Corinthian assembly is identified as a church in I Corinthians 1:2 and in II Corinthians 1:1...

They are saved, immersed church members and yet Paul states clearly that they have BEEN ESPOUSED, NOT MARRIED unto one husband.

Espoused=to woo, betroth, espouse<-----this does not equal married in the present tense.....

Let me guess...this word doesn't mean betroth and Paul misunderstood that the Corinthian Church was already married, which would make Paul stupid and commit the Corinthian Assembly to being an adulterer.

Or It means exactly what it states!
 
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And all the parables like the 10 virgins and how
they are to be prepared for the return of the Bride Groom
to do exactly what?
Ready for the coming of the Bridegroom at the end of time; i.e., the second coming.
To do exactly what -- to be ready for eternal life in a persevering faith.

II Corinthians 11:1-2 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for
I have ESPOUSED you to one

husband
,
that I may present you as a chaste virgin in Christ.

The Corinthian assembly is identified as a church in I Corinthians 1:2 and in II Corinthians 1:1...

They are saved, immersed church members and yet Paul states clearly that they have BEEN ESPOUSED, NOT MARRIED unto one husband.
Read it again.

Two things. . .let's start with

1) "husband" - that should clear up who the bride of Christ is

2) it is Paul who has "espoused" them to Christ, not God or Christ.

So Paul is the one who effects the marriage of the church to her husband, Christ Jesus?
Not God, through Jesus Christ, by faith, uniting them to Christ, but Paul?

It's not the Father who provides the Bride for his Son (Jn 6:37, 39, 17:2, 6, 9, 24)
as did Abraham for Isaac (Ge 24:1-4), it's Paul who provides her?

You've got some sorting out to do, so I'll leave it to you to determine Paul's meaning in 2Co 11:2.
 
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The coming of the Bridegroom at the end of time; i.e., the second coming.
To do exactly what -- to be ready in a persevering faith.


Read it again.

Two things. . .let's start with

1) "husband" - that should clear up who the bride of Christ is

2) it is Paul who has "espoused" them to Christ, not God or Christ.

So Paul is the one who effects the marriage of the church to her husband, Christ Jesus?
Not God, through Jesus Christ, by faith, uniting them to Christ, but Paul?

It's not the Father who provides the Bride for his Son (Jn 6:37, 39, 17:2, 6, 9, 24)
as did Abraham for Isaac (Ge 24:1-4), it's Paul who provides her?

You've got some sorting out to do, so I'll leave it to you to determine Paul's meaning in 2Co 11:2.
I did read it and espoused does not mean married off yet...
 
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And all the parables like the 10 virgins and how
they are to be prepared for the return of the Bride Groom
to do exactly what?
Ready for the second coming at the end of time.

To do exactly what -- to be found in a persevering saving faith.
II Corinthians 11:1-2 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for
I have ESPOUSED you to one

husband
,
that I may present you as a chaste virgin in Christ.

The Corinthian assembly is identified as a church in I Corinthians 1:2 and in II Corinthians 1:1...

They are saved, immersed church members and yet Paul states clearly that they have BEEN ESPOUSED, NOT MARRIED unto one husband.
Read it again.

Two things. . .let's start with

1) "husband" - that should clear up who the bride of Christ is

2) it is Paul who has "espoused" them to Christ, not God or Christ.

So Paul is the one who effects the marriage of the church to her husband, Christ Jesus?
Not God, through Jesus Christ, by faith, uniting them to Christ, but Paul?

It's not the Father who provides the Bride for his Son (Jn 6:37, 39, 17:2, 6, 9, 24)
as did Abraham for Isaac (Ge 24:1-4), it's Paul who provides her?


You've got some sorting out to do.
Because what you say Paul means contradicts the NT.

So I'll leave it to you to determine Paul's meaning in 2Co 11:2.
I did read it and espoused does not mean married off yet...
Non-responsive.
 
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Non-responsive.
Elin, the only thing everybody can see from you is a willingness to overlook words in context so as to regurgitate your heretical views...You are the one who has some sorting out to do...I suggest you start studying the words instead of regurgitating some view that you choked down!
 
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Elin said:
Read it again.

Two things. . .let's start with

1) "husband" - that should clear up who the bride of Christ is

2) it is Paul who has "espoused" them to Christ, not God or Christ.

So Paul is the one who effects the marriage of the church to her husband, Christ Jesus?
Not God, through Jesus Christ, by faith, uniting them to Christ, but Paul?

It's not the Father who provides the Bride for his Son (Jn 6:37, 39, 17:2, 6, 9, 24)
as did Abraham for Isaac (Ge 24:1-4), it's Paul who provides her?


You've got some sorting out to do.
Because what you say Paul means contradicts the NT.

So I'll leave it to you to
determine Paul's meaning in 2Co 11:2.
Elin, the only thing everybody can see from you is a willingness to overlook words in context so as to regurgitate your heretical views...You are the one who has some sorting out to do...
I suggest you start studying the words instead of regurgitating some view that you choked down!
Still not addressing the issue on the table.

Non-responsive.
 
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Still not addressing the issue on the table.

Non-responsive.
No need to cast out the word of God to someone who rejects the context and the very words that were inspired by God! and if you will re-read all posts you will see that the majority reject your view....I guess you have the market cornered on the word of God...Satan rejects the word of God in context as well and denies the very words used by God and the words inspired of God!