The connection between: Loving Jesus—Obedience—Eternal Life

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FreeNChrist

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I am sure not changing the life that God gives Christians from eternal to temporal, but then neither am I going to say that God gives eternal life to those who do not believe in Him!

If you believe God gives eternal life to those who do not believe in Him, then I think that is making God a liar! :)
Well, we're talking about those who believe in Jesus Christ and so have eternal life. So......
 

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Well, we're talking about those who believe in Jesus Christ and so have eternal life. So......

Great! We agree on that - that those who believe in Jesus Christ have eternal life - Amen!
 
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FreeNChrist

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#83
Great! We agree on that - that those who believe in Jesus Christ have eternal life - Amen!
And eternal life means exactly that, eternal. Not temporal.
 
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yaright

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Yes, Saul was a Pharisee before receiving the Holy Spirit.
Then he changed his name to Paul.
A whole different creation ... a new creation (1 Cor 15, etc.).
I agree with the way you have replied. Thank you for this witness. I was able to see this better when I repented. I found that everything Jesus spoke of, were also wisdom that spoke directly to me. Even when I thought that I understood, I still had to take this to our Heavenly Father in prayer. I learned to ask, "Show what this means to me, and how does it affect my life?" Much like Peter (and all the disciples) needed to fail the one thing he trusted most about himself; the bitter life example of sin came when I was tested through the one thing I trusted most about myself.
 
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"Those who are (Greek: being) led by God's Spirit are sons of God" (Romans 8:14)
This does NOT refer to initially believing in Jesus and His gospel

any more than ...

obeying Jesus does NOT refer to initially believing in Jesus and His gospel.

any more than ...

doing God's will (Matt 7:21) does NOT refer to just believing in Jesus and His gospel.

etc.

All of these items refer to a continuing action throughout the believer's lifetime!

All of these "believing"s are NOT a one-time deal ... they are to be continuous.

E.G. If your faith stops (for any reason at all) before the end of your life, your salvation is forfeited.
 
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“The righteous will live by faith.” Rom. 1:17
IMO, you have NO comprehension of what this means ... to be faithful.
Just E.G., it means to obey Jesus' commandments.
True believers are dedicated to doing this.
These ones have the correct heart attitude.
These ones are NOT disobedient ... they are NOT living in unbelief.
 
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FreeNChrist

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IMO, you have NO comprehension of what this means ... to be faithful.
Just E.G., it means to obey Jesus' commandments.
True believers are dedicated to doing this.
These ones have the correct heart attitude.
These ones are NOT disobedient ... they are NOT living in unbelief.
LOL. "I" have no comprehension of what it means? :rolleyes:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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IMO, you have NO comprehension of what this means ... to be faithful.
Just E.G., it means to obey Jesus' commandments.
True believers are dedicated to doing this.
These ones have the correct heart attitude.
These ones are NOT disobedient ... they are NOT living in unbelief.
in this context. One would have to be sin free. and never commit one sin the rest of their lives in order to be saved.

or water down Gods law to a point they feel they can "jump over" the line of obedience required to be faithful (ie, my sin is really not a sin, but yours is)

Good luck with this.

 
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in this context. One would have to be sin free. and never commit one sin the rest of their lives in order to be saved.
How many millions of times must I tell you ...

Sincerely repenting of your occasional sins
will result in
Jesus' blood washing them away!
(1 John 1:7-9)

But, you refuse to co-operate with God's chosen method of continuing to help us.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How many millions of times must I tell you ...

Sincerely repenting of your occasional sins
will result in
Jesus' blood washing them away!
(1 John 1:7-9)

But, you refuse to co-operate with God's chosen method of continuing to help us.
then you contradict yourself number 1.

and number 2. WHy would you want to EXCUSE your sin like this, You think just because you sin, then go to God and say your sorry it is ok. Shoot if this is all I have to do. I can go sin all I want.. I just need to repent and say I am sorry..
 
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Some of these people here ... I haven't yet discerned whether they are
spiritual idiots, agents of Satan (all Christian forums have some of these),
or fill in the blank ___________________________________________.
 
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Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.

I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.

She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.
She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her.

It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7
"...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".

She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth.

Here is a direct QUOTE:

" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?

"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!

By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."

UNQUOTE:

She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.

Believing the true gospel will change us as we grow in His grace.

Source: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904
 
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... in the Greek that ... present tense was used for
1 John 1:7
"...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".
I'm assuming that 1:9 is in the continuing present tense also!

... continuing to live in the light ...
... continuing to confess (and hopefully repent!) of our sins ...

BTW, this is describing the practicing of righteousness (which makes one righteous, also in 1 John)

1 John 1 (NLT):
[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we heard from Jesus and now declare to you:
God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness;
we are not practicing the truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other,
and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar
and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

As per usual, we see that salvation is a process,
which is to be realized at the end of our lives (hopefully).
Yes, Paul talks a lot about our blessed hope, the hope that is in us, etc.!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I'm assuming that 1:9 is in the continuing present tense also!

... continuing to live in the light ...
... continuing to confess (and hopefully repent!) of our sins ...

BTW, this is describing the practicing of righteousness (which makes one righteous, also in 1 John)

1 John 1 (NLT):
[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we heard from Jesus and now declare to you:
God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness;
we are not practicing the truth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other,
and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar
and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

As per usual, we see that salvation is a process,
which is to be realized at the end of our lives (hopefully).
Yes, Paul talks a lot about our blessed hope, the hope that is in us, etc.!
Eternal life is a gift.

Justification is a gift.

Sanctification is a gift (we can not sanctify ourselves)

Being sealed by the spirit our guarantee is a gift.

Salvation is thus, a gift.

A gift is not a process. It is just saying yes.. and receiving the GIFT..

as hebrews says, By one sacrifice HE HAS PERECTED FOREVER (salvation) Those who are BEING SANCRIFIED (made into the image if God)

it is God who does htis work, not us, stop taking credit for the work only God does, and stop puffing yourself up.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Some of these people here ... I haven't yet discerned whether they are
spiritual idiots, agents of Satan (all Christian forums have some of these),
or fill in the blank ___________________________________________.

You could put your name in the pot. Because it would seem you fit quite well
 
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Scripture isolated can cause all sorts of opinions and traditions to be put in place:

Pay attention to the ..we and our and the you in 1 John chapter 1



"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we (believers - namely John ) have looked at and our hands have touched - this we proclaim concerning the Word of Life"

(I John 1:1).
In other words, John is establishing that he was an eyewitness to the fact that Jesus truly did come in the flesh. He did this to convince the Gnostics that Jesus was not an illusion.

"We ( believers - namely John himself ) proclaim to you (unbelievers - gnostics
) what we have seen and heard, so thatyou (unbelievers - gnostics ) also may have fellowship with us ( believers ). And our ( believers )fellowship is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ" (verse 3).

This verse says two things. First, John repeats the fact that he, the rest of the apostles and other people saw Christ in the flesh. He wanted the Gnostics ( unbelievers ) to realize that there were many people who could testify to the reality of Christ.

Second, he is saying that there are some people in the audience who were not in the fellowship with Christ. (
just like we do now in all churches....there are both types of people )

"This is the message we ( believers ) have heard from Him and declare to you ( unbelievers ): God is light; in Him there is no darkness at all" (verse 5).

John's message in this verse is clear: God is light and in Him there is no darkness. We are either in the light (saved) or in darkness (lost). Scriptures are full of this comparison between light (saved) vs. darkness (lost).


"If we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth." (verse 6).

In other words, if someone says he has fellowship with Christ, but is walking in darkness (lost), he is lying and not practicing the truth. The Gnostics ( not true believers ) claimed to be in fellowship with Christ (saved), and yet were actually living a lie and therefore weren't practicing the truth.

"If we ( believers )
walk in the light, as He is in the light, we ( believers ) have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us ( believers ) from all sin" (verse 7).

In other words, if we walk in the light (are saved) we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin. To put it another way, once we are saved, we are permanently in the fellowship because the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin.

Therefore, we aren't forgiven because we confess our sins. We are forgiven because of what Christ did for us on the cross.

We have to acknowledge in the first place that we do all have sinned. For all have sinned - Rom. 3:23

"If we ( John putting all of us in the same boat before coming to Christ ) claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" (verse 8).

John is now addressing the belief the Gnostics had regarding sin because they didn't believe it was real and therefore believed they had no sin. The "we" John is using here refers to all people before coming to Christ including all believers too which "we" had to acknowledge at some point in our lives.

He is referring specifically to the Gnostics, who believed they were without sin. Because they claimed to be without sin, then they were only deceiving themselves and the truth (Jesus) was not in them.

However, verse 9 says that "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

In other words, if the Gnostics were to confess they had sins, then God, Who is faithful and righteous, would forgive and cleanse them from their unrighteousness. This would be by grace through faith in hearing the message of Christ's finished work.

In the Greek language, the words "forgive" and "cleanse" mean past actions that have results today and will continue to have results in the future.

Also, the word "all" used in these verses means all. It doesn't mean that we are cleansed of our past sins and our past unrighteousness, it means we were cleansed of all our unrighteousness. And if God cleanses us from all unrighteousness, then we are cleansed forever! We are a new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness. We are one spirit with the Lord now. 1 Cor. 6:17

"If we claim we ( all of us were in this boat at one time ) have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives" (verse 10).

Basically this verse is a repeat of verse 8. To put it simply, it means that the Gnostics can't claim to be without sin and yet be saved. John is saying that because the Gnostics claimed they had no sin, they were actually calling God a liar and therefore didn't know the truth.

The purpose of the first chapter of 1 John was to compare the truth of God to the error of gnosticism. John was addressing the Gnostics, who were deceived by their own teaching. He wanted the Gnostics to understand that what they believed conflicted with what God said. He was not, however, addressing believers.

However we can all learn from all scriptures including 1 John 1 - I especially love the truth of verse 7 - the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin because we are in Him.
 
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... if we walk in the light (are saved) we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
To put it another way, once
we are saved, we are permanently in the fellowship because the blood of Jesus continually cleanses us from all sin.
To put it another way ... if we walk in the light (choose to remain faithful, etc. etc.)

Born-again Christians who are involved in habitual sin are NOT walking in the light.
 
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If
we walk in the light (choose to remain faithful, etc. etc.) ... we-re A-OK.

Born-again Christians who are involved in habitual sin are NOT walking in the light.

Born-again Christians who are NOT practicing righteousness ...
are NOT righteous in God's eyes (1 John 3:7), and are NOT walking in the light.

 
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