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R
Yes I agree the Bible does say that, it does not say man was given a soul. Since man became a soul through God giving a body + the breath of life then do we still have a soul without either?
the verse does -not- say that the man became a soul...it says that he became a -living- soul...
so it is bad reasoning to argue on the basis of this verse that the man was not a soul before the breath of life was given to him...because the passage can also be read to mean that he was -already- a soul but just not a -living- soul...he then became a living soul when he was giving a living body...
you are right to say that humans are not given souls...we are souls that are given living bodies!
L
you did it again...
the verse does -not- say that the man became a soul...it says that he became a -living- soul...
so it is bad reasoning to argue on the basis of this verse that the man was not a soul before the breath of life was given to him...because the passage can also be read to mean that he was -already- a soul but just not a -living- soul...he then became a living soul when he was giving a living body...
you are right to say that humans are not given souls...we are souls that are given living bodies!
the verse does -not- say that the man became a soul...it says that he became a -living- soul...
so it is bad reasoning to argue on the basis of this verse that the man was not a soul before the breath of life was given to him...because the passage can also be read to mean that he was -already- a soul but just not a -living- soul...he then became a living soul when he was giving a living body...
you are right to say that humans are not given souls...we are souls that are given living bodies!
C
you did it again...
the verse does -not- say that the man became a soul...it says that he became a -living- soul...
so it is bad reasoning to argue on the basis of this verse that the man was not a soul before the breath of life was given to him...because the passage can also be read to mean that he was -already- a soul but just not a -living- soul...he then became a living soul when he was giving a living body...
you are right to say that humans are not given souls...we are souls that are given living bodies!
the verse does -not- say that the man became a soul...it says that he became a -living- soul...
so it is bad reasoning to argue on the basis of this verse that the man was not a soul before the breath of life was given to him...because the passage can also be read to mean that he was -already- a soul but just not a -living- soul...he then became a living soul when he was giving a living body...
you are right to say that humans are not given souls...we are souls that are given living bodies!
R
[FONT="]Genesis 2:7[/FONT][FONT="]
(7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [/FONT][FONT="]soul.[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]These texts show other words translated from the same word as soul highlighted in red
[/FONT][FONT="]Genesis 1:21[/FONT][FONT="]
(21) And God created great whales, and every living [/FONT][FONT="]creature[/FONT][FONT="] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[/FONT][FONT="]Genesis 23:8[/FONT][FONT="]
(8) And he communed with them, saying, If it be your [/FONT][FONT="]mind[/FONT][FONT="]that I should bury my dead out of my sight; hear me, and intreat for me to Ephron the son of Zohar,
[/FONT][FONT="]Genesis 36:6[/FONT][FONT="]
(6) And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the [/FONT][FONT="]persons[/FONT][FONT="] of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.
[/FONT][FONT="]Exodus 12:16[/FONT][FONT="]
(16) And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every [/FONT][FONT="]man[/FONT][FONT="] must eat, that only may be done of you.
[/FONT][FONT="]Exodus 23:9[/FONT][FONT="]
(9) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know [/FONT][FONT="]the heart[/FONT][FONT="] of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 2:1[/FONT][FONT="]
(1) And when [/FONT][FONT="]any[/FONT][FONT="] will offer a meat offering unto the LORD, his offering shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 4:27[/FONT][FONT="]
(27) And if any [/FONT][FONT="]one[/FONT][FONT="] of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 11:10[/FONT][FONT="]
(10) And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living [/FONT][FONT="]thing[/FONT][FONT="] which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 11:44[/FONT][FONT="]
(44) For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify [/FONT][FONT="]yourselves,[/FONT][FONT="] and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 17:11[/FONT][FONT="]
(11) For [/FONT][FONT="]the life[/FONT][FONT="] of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 21:11[/FONT][FONT="]
(11) Neither shall he go in to any dead [/FONT][FONT="]body,[/FONT][FONT="] nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 24:18[/FONT][FONT="]
(18) And he that killeth [/FONT][FONT="]a beast[/FONT][FONT="] shall make it good; beast for beast.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 26:16[/FONT][FONT="]
(16) I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow [/FONT][FONT="]of heart:[/FONT][FONT="] and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
All the words in [/FONT][FONT="]red [/FONT][FONT="]are translated from the same word as soul. So then according to this what is the soul?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Soul in the New Testament, words highlighted in [/FONT][FONT="]red[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]Matthew 10:28[/FONT][FONT="]
(28) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the [/FONT][FONT="]soul:[/FONT][FONT="] but rather fear him which is able to destroy both [/FONT][FONT="]soul [/FONT][FONT="]and body in hell.
[/FONT][FONT="]Matthew 10:39[/FONT][FONT="]
(39) He that findeth his [/FONT][FONT="]life[/FONT][FONT="] shall lose it: and he that loseth his [/FONT][FONT="]life[/FONT][FONT="] for my sake shall find it.
[/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 6:6[/FONT][FONT="]
(6) Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from [/FONT][FONT="]the heart;
[/FONT][FONT="]Philippians 1:27[/FONT][FONT="]
(27) Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one [/FONT][FONT="]mind[/FONT][FONT="] striving together for the faith of the gospel;
All the words in [/FONT][FONT="]red[/FONT][FONT="] are translated from the same word as soul so then to put all of these verses together from both the OT and NT what is the soul? [/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT]
(7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [/FONT][FONT="]soul.[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]These texts show other words translated from the same word as soul highlighted in red
[/FONT][FONT="]Genesis 1:21[/FONT][FONT="]
(21) And God created great whales, and every living [/FONT][FONT="]creature[/FONT][FONT="] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[/FONT][FONT="]Genesis 23:8[/FONT][FONT="]
(8) And he communed with them, saying, If it be your [/FONT][FONT="]mind[/FONT][FONT="]that I should bury my dead out of my sight; hear me, and intreat for me to Ephron the son of Zohar,
[/FONT][FONT="]Genesis 36:6[/FONT][FONT="]
(6) And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the [/FONT][FONT="]persons[/FONT][FONT="] of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.
[/FONT][FONT="]Exodus 12:16[/FONT][FONT="]
(16) And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every [/FONT][FONT="]man[/FONT][FONT="] must eat, that only may be done of you.
[/FONT][FONT="]Exodus 23:9[/FONT][FONT="]
(9) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know [/FONT][FONT="]the heart[/FONT][FONT="] of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 2:1[/FONT][FONT="]
(1) And when [/FONT][FONT="]any[/FONT][FONT="] will offer a meat offering unto the LORD, his offering shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 4:27[/FONT][FONT="]
(27) And if any [/FONT][FONT="]one[/FONT][FONT="] of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 11:10[/FONT][FONT="]
(10) And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living [/FONT][FONT="]thing[/FONT][FONT="] which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 11:44[/FONT][FONT="]
(44) For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify [/FONT][FONT="]yourselves,[/FONT][FONT="] and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 17:11[/FONT][FONT="]
(11) For [/FONT][FONT="]the life[/FONT][FONT="] of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 21:11[/FONT][FONT="]
(11) Neither shall he go in to any dead [/FONT][FONT="]body,[/FONT][FONT="] nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 24:18[/FONT][FONT="]
(18) And he that killeth [/FONT][FONT="]a beast[/FONT][FONT="] shall make it good; beast for beast.
[/FONT][FONT="]Leviticus 26:16[/FONT][FONT="]
(16) I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow [/FONT][FONT="]of heart:[/FONT][FONT="] and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
All the words in [/FONT][FONT="]red [/FONT][FONT="]are translated from the same word as soul. So then according to this what is the soul?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Soul in the New Testament, words highlighted in [/FONT][FONT="]red[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]Matthew 10:28[/FONT][FONT="]
(28) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the [/FONT][FONT="]soul:[/FONT][FONT="] but rather fear him which is able to destroy both [/FONT][FONT="]soul [/FONT][FONT="]and body in hell.
[/FONT][FONT="]Matthew 10:39[/FONT][FONT="]
(39) He that findeth his [/FONT][FONT="]life[/FONT][FONT="] shall lose it: and he that loseth his [/FONT][FONT="]life[/FONT][FONT="] for my sake shall find it.
[/FONT][FONT="]Ephesians 6:6[/FONT][FONT="]
(6) Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from [/FONT][FONT="]the heart;
[/FONT][FONT="]Philippians 1:27[/FONT][FONT="]
(27) Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one [/FONT][FONT="]mind[/FONT][FONT="] striving together for the faith of the gospel;
All the words in [/FONT][FONT="]red[/FONT][FONT="] are translated from the same word as soul so then to put all of these verses together from both the OT and NT what is the soul? [/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]
[/FONT]
which makes the contexts you insist on ignoring doubly vital for a proper understanding of the human soul...
C
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This does seem to imply that once you die(first death) your soul is not killed.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This does seem to imply that once you die(first death) your soul is not killed.
L
you really just hurt your case here...all of these verses make it clear that the hebrew and greek words can mean several different things depending on the context...
which makes the contexts you insist on ignoring doubly vital for a proper understanding of the human soul...
which makes the contexts you insist on ignoring doubly vital for a proper understanding of the human soul...
Because you insist on using nothing but your own opinion it shows that your doctrine is not based on the Bible But your own opinion. I asked you to show me what is a soul according to those texts. The Bible does not need an interpreter. Can you show your doctrine without giving any comments? Using only the Bible for your comments?
C
actually he didn't...i don't know where you heard that...
As soon as thy eyes have closed shalt thou be woken, a thousand years shall be as if thou hadst slept but a little half hour. Just as at night we hear the clock strike and know not how long we have slept, so too, and how much more, are in death a thousand years soon past. Before a man should turn round, he is already a fair angel
R
Still interpreting the Bible with your own opinion.http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/38967-dead-asleep-18.html#post745775 Go to this post and tell me the answer.
did anyone else see what he just did there?
bait and switch is not an honest or godly debate tactic...you had better make it clear which of those two positions you are arguing for...
R
the bible also says however, that the longest gods spirit will stay with man is 120 years, so unless they are saved, wont they go unconsious again?
the 120 years is usually interpreted as the length of time God was allowing before he was going to destroy the earth with a flood...
C
in that passage God actually says that his spirit will not -contend- with man forever...in other words he is not going to continue to tolerate their wickedness while calling them to repentance indefinitely...eventually he would have to destroy them...
the 120 years is usually interpreted as the length of time God was allowing before he was going to destroy the earth with a flood...
the 120 years is usually interpreted as the length of time God was allowing before he was going to destroy the earth with a flood...
R
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This does seem to imply that once you die(first death) your soul is not killed.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
This does seem to imply that once you die(first death) your soul is not killed.
L
in that passage God actually says that his spirit will not -contend- with man forever...in other words he is not going to continue to tolerate their wickedness while calling them to repentance indefinitely...eventually he would have to destroy them...
the 120 years is usually interpreted as the length of time God was allowing before he was going to destroy the earth with a flood...
the 120 years is usually interpreted as the length of time God was allowing before he was going to destroy the earth with a flood...
C
in that passage God actually says that his spirit will not -contend- with man forever...in other words he is not going to continue to tolerate their wickedness while calling them to repentance indefinitely...eventually he would have to destroy them...
the 120 years is usually interpreted as the length of time God was allowing before he was going to destroy the earth with a flood...
the 120 years is usually interpreted as the length of time God was allowing before he was going to destroy the earth with a flood...
R
Because you insist on using nothing but your own opinion it shows that your doctrine is not based on the Bible But your own opinion. I asked you to show me what is a soul according to those texts. The Bible does not need an interpreter. Can you show your doctrine without giving any comments? Using only the Bible for your comments?
L
right the death of the body and the death of the soul are two completely different things...the soul does not cease to exist when the breath of life leaves the body...