The dead are asleep

[chesser]

assuming that the story of the rich man and poor lazarus is a parable does not change the reality that the story is expressing about the afterlife...

jesus' parables always used real life situations to teach a spiritual lesson...things that could actually have happened in the real world...

for example the prodigal son did not jump on a unicorn and fly back to his father...he went on foot...

jesus' parables describe realistic situations that can actually happen in real life...so to be consistent we have to conclude that jesus' story of the rich man and poor lazarus was giving an accurate description of what happens to the dead...

in that case trees can talk Juges9:8-15
One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

9 “But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’

10 “Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’

11 “But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’

12 “Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’

13 “But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’

14 “Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’

15 “The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!

 

[chesser]

So when the breath of life leaves, how can a soul remain in the grave if the soul no longer exist?

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

psalm 16:10 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
nor will you let your faithful one see decay.
talking only about faithful ones, and the soul still exists

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

psalm 16:10 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
nor will you let your faithful one see decay.
talking only about faithful ones, and the soul still exists

Thats the thing about the word soul, and spirit. It has different shades of meaning. It is a fallacy to place only one meaning to these words. You have to look at all the verses in the Bible where these words are used to get a true sense and feel of what these words can mean.

 

[chesser]

If someone has a nice tan I assume they have been out in the sun. If someone believes in soul sleep I assume they have been in a cult. There are exceptions to every rule.

i half belive in soul sleep, jesus did say the wicked will only be burned at the end of the world, now maybe there is soul sleep,ormaybe there is a hades waiting place(like a prison) im open to either(and i wouldnt call SDA a cult)(and no, im not SDA)

 

[chesser]

Thats the thing about the word soul, spirit, and body. It has different shades of meaning. It is a fallacy to place only one meaning to these words. You have to look at all the verses in the Bible where these words are used to get a true sense and feel of what this words can mean.

when god breathed spirit into man he became a LIVING soul, that implies he had a non-living soul before, i belive the bodyis a shell, soul is you, and gods spirit is the thing thatgives the soul life

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

i(and i wouldnt call SDA a cult)(and no, im not SDA)

I would after discovering ellen g white and how they feel about her.

 

[Laodicea]

I would after discovering ellen g white and how they feel about her.

SDA doctrine is based on the Bible not EGW.

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

when god breathed spirit into man he became a LIVING soul, that implies he had a non-living soul before, i belive the bodyis a shell, soul is you, and gods spirit is the thing thatgives the soul life

You cant define the word off of one verse. Look at all the verses where these words are used and notice the different shades of meanings and then come to a conclusion.

H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
Total KJV Occurrences: 749
soul, 416
Gen_2:7, Gen_17:13-14 (2), Gen_19:20, Gen_27:4, Gen_27:19, Gen_27:25, Gen_27:31, Gen_34:3, Gen_34:8, Gen_35:18, Gen_42:21, Gen_49:6, Exo_12:15, Exo_12:19, Exo_30:12, Exo_31:14, Lev_4:2, Lev_5:1-2 (2), Lev_5:4, Lev_5:15, Lev_5:17, Lev_6:2, Lev_7:18, Lev_7:20-21 (4), Lev_7:25, Lev_7:27 (2), Lev_17:10-12 (3), Lev_17:15, Lev_19:8, Lev_20:6 (2), Lev_22:3, Lev_22:6, Lev_22:11, Lev_23:29-30 (3), Lev_26:11, Lev_26:15, Lev_26:30, Lev_26:43, Num_9:13, Num_11:6, Num_15:27-28 (2), Num_15:30-31 (3), Num_19:13, Num_19:20, Num_19:22, Num_21:4-5 (2), Num_30:2, Num_30:4-8 (6), Num_30:10-13 (4), Num_31:28, Deu_4:9, Deu_4:29, Deu_6:5, Deu_11:12-13 (2), Deu_11:18, Deu_12:15, Deu_12:20-21 (3), Deu_13:3, Deu_13:6, Deu_14:26 (2), Deu_26:16, Deu_30:2, Deu_30:6, Deu_30:10, Jos_22:5, Jdg_5:21, Jdg_16:16 (2), 1Sa_1:10, 1Sa_1:15, 1Sa_1:26, 1Sa_2:16, 1Sa_17:55, 1Sa_18:1 (3), 1Sa_20:3-4 (3), 1Sa_20:17, 1Sa_23:20, 1Sa_24:11, 1Sa_25:26, 1Sa_25:29 (2), 1Sa_26:21, 1Sa_30:6, 2Sa_4:9, 2Sa_5:8, 2Sa_11:11, 2Sa_14:19, 1Ki_1:29, 1Ki_2:4, 1Ki_8:48, 1Ki_11:37, 1Ki_17:21-22 (2), 2Ki_2:2, 2Ki_2:4, 2Ki_2:6, 2Ki_4:27, 2Ki_4:30, 2Ki_23:3, 2Ki_23:25, 1Ch_22:19, 2Ch_6:38, 2Ch_15:12, 2Ch_34:31, Job_3:20, Job_6:7, Job_7:11, Job_7:15, Job_9:21, Job_10:1 (2), Job_12:10, Job_14:22, Job_16:4, Job_19:2, Job_21:25, Job_23:13, Job_24:12, Job_27:2, Job_27:8, Job_30:16, Job_30:25, Job_31:30, Job_33:18, Job_33:20, Job_33:22, Job_33:28, Job_33:30, Psa_6:2-4 (3), Psa_7:2, Psa_7:5, Psa_11:1, Psa_11:5, Psa_13:2, Psa_16:10, Psa_17:13, Psa_19:7, Psa_22:20, Psa_22:29, Psa_24:3-4 (2), Psa_25:1, Psa_25:13, Psa_25:20, Psa_26:9, Psa_30:3, Psa_31:7, Psa_31:9, Psa_33:19-20 (2), Psa_34:2, Psa_34:22, Psa_35:3-4 (2), Psa_35:7, Psa_35:9, Psa_35:12-13 (2), Psa_35:17, Psa_40:14, Psa_41:4, Psa_42:1-2 (2), Psa_42:4-6 (3), Psa_42:11, Psa_43:5, Psa_44:25, Psa_49:8, Psa_49:15, Psa_49:18, Psa_54:3-4 (2), Psa_55:18, Psa_56:6, Psa_56:13, Psa_57:1, Psa_57:4, Psa_57:6, Psa_59:3, Psa_62:1, Psa_62:5, Psa_63:1, Psa_63:5, Psa_66:8-9 (3), Psa_66:16, Psa_69:1, Psa_69:10, Psa_69:18, Psa_70:2, Psa_71:10, Psa_71:13, Psa_71:23, Psa_72:14, Psa_74:19, Psa_77:2, Psa_78:50, Psa_86:2 (2), Psa_86:4 (2), Psa_86:13-14 (2), Psa_88:3, Psa_88:14, Psa_89:48, Psa_94:17, Psa_94:19, Psa_94:21, Psa_103:1-2 (2), Psa_103:22, Psa_104:1, Psa_104:35, Psa_106:15, Psa_107:5, Psa_107:9 (2), Psa_107:18, Psa_107:26, Psa_109:20, Psa_109:31, Psa_116:4, Psa_116:7-8 (2), Psa_119:20, Psa_119:25, Psa_119:28, Psa_119:81, Psa_119:109, Psa_119:129, Psa_119:167, Psa_119:175, Psa_120:2, Psa_121:6-7 (2), Psa_124:4-5 (3), Psa_124:7, Psa_130:5-6 (2), Psa_138:2-3 (2), Psa_139:14, Psa_141:8, Psa_142:4, Psa_142:7, Psa_143:3, Psa_143:6, Psa_143:8, Psa_143:11-12 (2), Psa_146:1, Pro_2:10, Pro_3:22, Pro_6:30, Pro_6:32, Pro_8:36, Pro_10:3, Pro_11:17, Pro_11:25, Pro_13:2, Pro_13:4 (2), Pro_13:19, Pro_13:25, Pro_15:32, Pro_16:17, Pro_16:24, Pro_18:7, Pro_19:2, Pro_19:8, Pro_19:15-16 (2), Pro_19:18, Pro_20:2, Pro_21:10, Pro_21:23, Pro_22:5, Pro_22:23, Pro_22:25, Pro_23:14, Pro_24:12, Pro_24:14, Pro_25:13, Pro_25:25, Pro_27:7 (2), Pro_29:10, Pro_29:17, Ecc_2:24 (2), Ecc_4:8, Ecc_6:2-3 (2), Ecc_7:28, Son_1:7, Son_3:1-4 (4), Son_5:6, Son_6:12, Isa_1:14, Isa_3:9, Isa_10:18, Isa_26:8-9 (2), Isa_29:8 (2), Isa_32:6, Isa_38:15, Isa_38:17, Isa_42:1, Isa_44:20, Isa_51:23, Isa_53:10-12 (3), Isa_58:2-3 (3), Isa_58:5, Isa_58:10-11 (3), Isa_61:10, Isa_66:3, Jer_4:10, Jer_4:19, Jer_4:31, Jer_5:9, Jer_5:29, Jer_9:8-9 (2), Jer_12:7, Jer_13:17, Jer_18:19-20 (2), Jer_20:13, Jer_31:12, Jer_31:14, Jer_31:25 (2), Jer_32:41, Jer_38:16-17 (2), Jer_38:20, Jer_50:19, Jer_51:6, Jer_51:45, Lam_1:11, Lam_1:16, Lam_2:12, Lam_3:17, Lam_3:20, Lam_3:24-25 (2), Lam_3:58, Eze_3:19, Eze_3:21, Eze_4:14, Eze_18:4 (3), Eze_18:20, Eze_18:27, Eze_24:21, Eze_33:5, Eze_33:9, Jon_2:4-5 (2), Mic_6:7 (2), Mic_7:1, Hab_2:4, Hab_2:10, Zec_11:8
life, 100
Gen_9:4-5 (2), Gen_19:17, Gen_19:19, Gen_44:30 (3), Exo_4:19, Exo_21:23 (2), Exo_21:30, Lev_17:11, Lev_17:14 (3), Num_35:31, Deu_12:23 (2), Deu_19:21 (2), Deu_24:6, Jos_2:14, Jdg_9:17, Jdg_12:3, Jdg_18:25, Rth_4:15, 1Sa_19:5, 1Sa_19:11, 1Sa_20:1, 1Sa_22:23 (2), 1Sa_23:15, 1Sa_26:24 (2), 1Sa_28:9, 1Sa_28:21, 2Sa_1:9, 2Sa_4:8, 2Sa_14:7, 2Sa_16:11, 2Sa_18:13, 2Sa_19:5, 1Ki_1:12 (2), 1Ki_2:23, 1Ki_3:11, 1Ki_19:2-4 (4), 1Ki_19:10, 1Ki_19:14, 1Ki_20:31, 1Ki_20:39 (2), 1Ki_20:42 (2), 2Ki_1:13-14 (3), 2Ki_7:7, 2Ki_10:24 (2), 2Ch_1:11, Est_7:3, Est_7:7, Est_8:11, Job_2:4, Job_2:6, Job_6:11, Job_13:14, Job_31:39, Psa_31:13, Psa_38:12, Pro_1:19, Pro_6:26, Pro_7:23, Pro_12:10, Pro_13:3, Pro_13:8, Isa_43:4 (2), Jer_4:30, Jer_11:21, Jer_21:7, Jer_21:9, Jer_22:25, Jer_34:20-21 (2), Jer_38:2, Jer_38:16, Jer_39:18, Jer_44:30 (2), Jer_45:5, Jer_49:37, Lam_2:19, Eze_32:10, Jon_1:14, Jon_4:3
souls, 58
Gen_12:5, Gen_46:15, Gen_46:18, Gen_46:22, Gen_46:25-27 (5), Exo_1:5 (2), Exo_12:4, Exo_30:15-16 (2), Lev_16:29, Lev_16:31, Lev_17:11, Lev_18:29, Lev_20:25, Lev_23:27, Lev_23:32, Num_16:38, Num_29:7, Num_30:9, Num_31:50, Jos_10:28, Jos_10:30, Jos_10:32, Jos_10:35, Jos_10:37 (2), Jos_10:39, Jos_11:11, Jos_23:14, 1Sa_25:29, Psa_72:13, Psa_97:10, Pro_11:30, Pro_14:25, Jer_2:34, Jer_6:16, Jer_26:19, Jer_44:7, Eze_7:19 (2), Eze_13:18-20 (8), Eze_14:14, Eze_14:20, Eze_18:4, Eze_22:25, Eze_22:27
lives, 18
Gen_9:5, Jos_2:13, Jos_9:24, Jdg_5:18, Jdg_18:25, 2Sa_19:5 (3), 2Sa_23:17, 1Ch_11:19 (2), Est_9:16, Pro_1:18, Jer_19:7, Jer_19:9, Jer_46:26, Jer_48:6, Lam_5:9
persons, 16
Gen_14:21, Gen_36:6, Exo_16:16, Lev_27:2, Num_19:18, Num_31:35, Num_31:40 (2), Num_31:46, Deu_10:22, 1Sa_22:22, Jer_52:29-30 (3), Eze_17:17, Eze_27:13
person, 14
Num_5:6, Num_31:19, Num_35:11, Num_35:15, Num_35:30 (2), Deu_27:25, Jos_20:3, Jos_20:9, 2Sa_14:14, Pro_28:17, Jer_43:6, Eze_33:5-6 (2)
heart, 12
Exo_23:9, Lev_26:16, Deu_24:15, 1Sa_2:33, 2Sa_3:21, Pro_23:7, Pro_28:25, Lam_3:51, Eze_25:6, Eze_25:15, Eze_27:31, Hos_4:8
mind, 11
Gen_23:8 (2), Deu_18:6, Deu_28:65, 1Sa_2:35, 1Ch_28:9, Jer_15:1, Eze_23:17-18 (3), Eze_23:22, Eze_23:28
himself, 10
1Ki_19:4, Job_18:4, Job_22:2, Job_23:9, Job_32:2, Amo_2:14-15 (4), Amo_6:8
body, 9
Lev_21:11, Num_9:6-7 (3), Num_19:10-11 (2), Num_19:13, Num_19:16, Hag_2:13
creature, 9
Gen_1:21, Gen_1:24, Gen_2:19, Gen_9:10, Gen_9:12, Gen_9:15-16 (2), Lev_11:46 (2)
dead, 8
Lev_19:28, Lev_21:1, Lev_22:4, Num_5:2, Num_6:11, Num_9:6-7 (2), Num_9:10
yourselves, 8
Lev_11:43-44 (4), Deu_4:15, Jos_23:11, Jer_17:21, Jer_37:9
desire, 5
Ecc_6:9 (2), Jer_22:27, Jer_44:14, Mic_7:3, Hab_2:5
man, 4
Lev_24:16-17 (2), 2Ki_12:4, Isa_49:7
minds, 4
2Sa_17:8, 2Ki_9:15, Eze_24:25, Eze_36:5
pleasure, 4
Deu_23:24, Psa_105:22, Jer_2:24, Jer_34:16
will, 4
Deu_21:14, Psa_27:12, Psa_41:2, Eze_16:27
any, 3
Lev_2:1, Lev_4:27, Deu_24:7
beast, 3
Lev_24:18 (3)
themselves, 3
Est_9:31, Isa_46:2, Isa_47:14
appetite, 2
Pro_23:2, Ecc_6:7
ghost, 2
Job_11:20, Jer_15:9
hearts, 2
Pro_31:6, Jer_42:20
lust, 2
Exo_15:9, Psa_78:18
thing, 2
Lev_11:10, Eze_47:9
angry, 1
Jdg_18:25
breath, 1
Job_41:21
deadly, 1
Psa_17:9
discontented, 1
1Sa_22:2
fish, 1
Isa_19:10
greedy, 1
Isa_56:10-11 (2)
heart’s, 1
Psa_10:3
hearty, 1
Pro_27:9
herself, 1
Isa_5:14
men, 1
1Ch_5:21
mortally, 1
Deu_19:11
myself, 1
Psa_131:2
one, 1
Lev_4:27
own, 1
Pro_14:10
slay, 1
Jer_40:14
slayeth, 1
Deu_22:26
soul’s, 1
Job_16:4
tablets, 1
Isa_3:20
thyself, 1
Est_4:13
would, 1
Psa_35:25

H7307
רוּח
rûach
Total KJV Occurrences: 379
spirit, 227
Gen_6:2-3 (2), Gen_41:8, Gen_41:38, Gen_45:27, Exo_6:9, Exo_31:3 (2), Exo_35:21, Exo_35:31, Num_5:14 (2), Num_5:30, Num_11:17, Num_11:25-26 (3), Num_11:29, Num_14:24, Num_24:2, Num_27:18, Deu_2:30, Deu_34:9, Jos_5:1, Jdg_3:10, Jdg_6:34, Jdg_9:23, Jdg_11:29, Jdg_13:25, Jdg_14:6, Jdg_14:19, Jdg_15:14, Jdg_15:19, 1Sa_1:15, 1Sa_10:6, 1Sa_10:10, 1Sa_11:6, 1Sa_16:13-16 (5), 1Sa_16:23 (2), 1Sa_18:10, 1Sa_19:9, 1Sa_19:20, 1Sa_19:23, 1Sa_30:12, 2Sa_23:2, 1Ki_10:5, 1Ki_18:12, 1Ki_21:5, 1Ki_22:21-24 (4), 2Ki_2:9, 2Ki_2:15-16 (2), 1Ch_5:26 (2), 1Ch_12:18, 1Ch_28:12, 2Ch_9:4, 2Ch_15:1, 2Ch_18:20-23 (4), 2Ch_20:14, 2Ch_21:16, 2Ch_24:20, 2Ch_36:22, Ezr_1:1, Ezr_1:5, Neh_9:20, Neh_9:30, Job_4:15, Job_6:4, Job_15:11-13 (3), Job_21:3-4 (2), Job_26:13, Job_27:3, Job_32:8, Job_32:18, Job_33:4, Job_34:14, Psa_31:5, Psa_32:2, Psa_34:18, Psa_51:10-12 (3), Psa_51:17, Psa_76:12, Psa_77:3, Psa_77:6, Psa_78:8, Psa_104:30, Psa_106:33, Psa_139:7, Psa_143:3-4 (2), Psa_143:7, Psa_143:10, Pro_1:23, Pro_11:13, Pro_14:29, Pro_15:4, Pro_15:13, Pro_16:18-19 (2), Pro_16:32, Pro_17:22, Pro_17:27, Pro_18:14 (2), Pro_25:28, Pro_29:23, Ecc_1:14, Ecc_1:17, Ecc_2:11, Ecc_2:17, Ecc_2:26, Ecc_3:21 (2), Ecc_4:4, Ecc_4:6, Ecc_4:16, Ecc_6:9, Ecc_7:8-9 (3), Ecc_8:8 (2), Ecc_11:4-5 (2), Ecc_12:7, Isa_4:4 (2), Isa_19:2-3 (5), Isa_19:14, Isa_26:9, Isa_28:6, Isa_29:10, Isa_29:24, Isa_30:1, Isa_31:3, Isa_38:15-16 (3), Isa_40:7, Isa_40:13, Isa_42:1, Isa_42:5, Isa_44:3, Isa_48:16, Isa_54:6, Isa_57:15-16 (3), Isa_59:19, Isa_59:21, Isa_61:1, Isa_61:3, Isa_63:10-11 (2), Isa_65:14 (2), Isa_66:2, Eze_1:11-12 (2), Eze_1:20-21 (4), Eze_2:2, Eze_3:12, Eze_3:14 (2), Eze_3:24, Eze_8:3, Eze_10:17, Eze_11:1, Eze_11:5, Eze_11:19, Eze_11:24 (2), Eze_13:3, Eze_18:31, Eze_21:7, Eze_36:26-27 (2), Eze_37:1, Eze_37:14, Eze_39:29, Eze_43:5, Dan_2:1, Dan_2:3, Hos_4:12, Hos_5:4, Joe_2:28-29 (2), Mic_2:7, Mic_2:11, Mic_3:8, Hag_1:14 (3), Zec_4:5-6 (2), Zec_6:8, Zec_7:12, Zec_12:1, Zec_12:10, Zec_13:2, Mal_2:16
wind, 82
Gen_8:1, Exo_10:13 (2), Exo_10:19, Exo_14:21, Exo_15:10, Num_11:31, 2Sa_22:11, 1Ki_18:45, 1Ki_19:11 (3), 2Ki_3:17, Job_1:19, Job_6:26, Job_7:7, Job_15:2 (2), Job_21:18, Job_30:15, Job_30:22, Job_37:21, Psa_1:4, Psa_18:10, Psa_18:42, Psa_35:5, Psa_48:7, Psa_78:39, Psa_83:13, Psa_103:16, Psa_104:3, Psa_107:25, Psa_135:7, Psa_147:18, Psa_148:8, Pro_11:29, Pro_25:14, Pro_25:23, Pro_27:16, Pro_30:4, Ecc_1:6 (2), Ecc_5:16, Ecc_11:4, Isa_7:2, Isa_11:15, Isa_17:13, Isa_26:18, Isa_27:8, Isa_32:2, Isa_41:16, Isa_41:29, Isa_57:13, Isa_64:6, Jer_2:24, Jer_10:11-13 (4), Jer_13:24, Jer_14:6, Jer_18:17, Jer_22:22, Jer_51:1, Jer_51:16, Eze_5:2, Eze_12:14, Eze_13:11, Eze_13:13, Eze_17:10, Eze_19:12, Eze_27:26, Eze_37:9 (2), Hos_4:19, Hos_8:7, Hos_12:1, Hos_13:15, Amo_4:13, Jon_1:4, Zec_5:8-9 (2)
breath, 27
Gen_6:17, Gen_7:15, 2Sa_22:16, Job_4:9, Job_9:18, Job_12:10, Job_15:30, Job_17:1, Job_19:17, Psa_18:15, Psa_33:6, Psa_104:29, Psa_135:17, Psa_146:4, Ecc_3:19, Isa_11:4, Isa_30:28, Isa_33:11, Jer_10:14, Jer_51:17, Lam_4:20, Eze_37:5-6 (2), Eze_37:8-10 (3), Hab_2:19
winds, 11
Job_28:25, Jer_49:32, Jer_49:36 (2), Eze_5:10, Eze_5:12, Eze_17:21, Eze_37:9, Dan_8:8, Dan_11:4, Zec_2:6
mind, 6
Gen_26:35, Pro_29:11, Eze_11:5, Eze_20:32, Dan_5:20, Hab_1:11
side, 5
Jer_52:23, Eze_42:16-19 (4)
spirits, 5
Num_16:22, Num_27:16, Psa_104:4, Pro_16:2, Zec_6:5
blast, 4
Exo_15:8, 2Ki_19:7, Isa_25:4, Isa_37:7
vain, 2
Job_16:2-3 (2)
air, 1
Job_41:16
anger, 1
Jdg_8:3
cool, 1
Gen_3:8
courage, 1
Jos_2:11
quarters, 1
1Ch_9:24
sides, 1
Eze_42:20
spiritual, 1
Hos_9:7
tempest, 1
Psa_11:6
whirlwind, 1
Eze_1:4
windy, 1
Psa_55:8

G5590
ψυχή
psuchē
Total KJV Occurrences: 105
soul, 39
Mat_10:28 (2), Mat_12:18, Mat_16:26 (2), Mat_26:37-38 (2), Mar_8:36-37 (2), Mar_12:30, Mar_14:33-34 (2), Luk_1:46, Luk_2:35, Luk_10:27, Luk_12:19-20 (3), Act_2:27 (2), Act_2:31, Act_2:43, Act_3:23, Act_4:32, Rom_2:9, Rom_13:1, 1Co_15:45, 2Co_1:23, 1Th_5:23, Heb_4:12, Heb_6:19, Heb_10:38-39 (2), Jam_5:20, 1Pe_2:11, 2Pe_2:8, 3Jo_1:2, Rev_16:3, Rev_18:14
life, 36
Mat_2:20, Mat_6:25 (2), Mat_10:39 (2), Mat_16:25 (2), Mat_20:28, Mar_3:4, Mar_8:35 (2), Mar_10:45, Luk_6:9, Luk_9:24 (2), Luk_12:22-23 (2), Luk_14:26, Luk_17:33 (2), Joh_10:11, Joh_10:15, Joh_10:17, Joh_12:25 (2), Joh_13:37-38 (2), Joh_15:13, Act_20:10, Act_20:24, Act_27:22, Rom_16:3-4 (2), Phi_2:30, 1Jo_3:16, Rev_8:9
souls, 19
Mat_11:29, Luk_21:19, Act_2:41, Act_7:14, Act_14:22, Act_15:24, Act_27:37, 1Th_2:8, Heb_13:17, Jam_1:21, 1Pe_1:9, 1Pe_1:22, 1Pe_2:25, 1Pe_3:20, 1Pe_4:19, 2Pe_2:14, Rev_6:9, Rev_18:13, Rev_20:4
lives, 5
Luk_9:56, Act_15:26, Act_27:10, 1Jo_3:16, Rev_12:11
minds, 2
Heb_12:2-3 (2)
doubt, 1
Joh_10:24
heart, 1
Eph_6:6
heartily, 1
Col_3:23
mind, 1
Phi_1:27

G4151
πνεῦμα
pneuma
Total KJV Occurrences: 385
spirit, 257
Mat_3:16, Mat_4:1, Mat_5:3, Mat_10:20, Mat_12:18, Mat_12:28, Mat_22:43 (2), Mat_26:41, Mar_1:10, Mar_1:12, Mar_1:23, Mar_1:26, Mar_2:8, Mar_3:30, Mar_5:2, Mar_5:8, Mar_7:25, Mar_8:12, Mar_9:17, Mar_9:20, Mar_9:25 (2), Mar_14:38, Luk_1:17, Luk_1:47, Luk_1:80, Luk_2:27, Luk_2:40, Luk_4:1, Luk_4:14, Luk_4:18, Luk_4:33, Luk_8:29, Luk_8:55, Luk_9:39, Luk_9:42, Luk_9:55, Luk_10:21, Luk_11:13, Luk_11:24, Luk_13:11, Luk_23:46, Luk_24:37, Luk_24:39, Joh_1:32-33 (2), Joh_3:5-6 (3), Joh_3:8, Joh_3:34, Joh_4:23-24 (3), Joh_6:63 (2), Joh_7:39, Joh_11:33, Joh_13:21, Joh_14:17, Joh_15:26, Joh_16:13, Act_2:4, Act_2:17-18 (2), Act_6:9-10 (2), Act_7:59, Act_8:29, Act_8:39, Act_10:19, Act_11:12, Act_11:28, Act_16:7, Act_16:16, Act_16:18, Act_17:16, Act_18:5, Act_18:25, Act_19:15-16 (2), Act_20:21-22 (2), Act_21:4, Act_23:8-9 (2), Rom_1:4, Rom_1:9, Rom_2:29, Rom_7:6, Rom 8 (21), Rom_11:8, Rom_12:11, Rom_15:19, Rom_15:30, 1Co_2:4, 1Co_2:10-12 (6), 1Co_2:14, 1Co_3:16, 1Co_4:21, 1Co_5:3-5 (3), 1Co_6:11, 1Co_6:17, 1Co_6:20, 1Co_7:34, 1Co_7:40, 1Co_12:3-4 (2), 1Co_12:7-9 (5), 1Co_12:11, 1Co_12:13 (2), 1Co_14:2, 1Co_14:14-16 (4), 1Co_15:45, 1Co_16:18, 2Co_1:22, 2Co_2:13, 2Co_3:3, 2Co_3:6 (2), 2Co_3:8, 2Co_3:17-18 (3), 2Co_4:13, 2Co_5:5, 2Co_7:1, 2Co_7:13, 2Co_11:4, 2Co_12:18, Gal_3:2-3 (2), Gal_3:5, Gal_3:14, Gal_4:6, Gal_4:29, Gal_5:5, Gal_5:16-18 (4), Gal_5:22, Gal_5:25 (2), Gal_6:1, Gal_6:8 (2), Gal_6:18, Eph_1:13, Eph_1:17, Eph_2:2, Eph_2:18, Eph_2:22, Eph_3:5, Eph_3:16, Eph_4:3-4 (2), Eph_4:23, Eph_4:30, Eph_5:9, Eph_5:18, Phi_1:17-19 (3), Phi_1:27, Phi_2:1, Phi_3:3, Col_1:8, Col_2:5, 1Th_4:8, 1Th_5:19, 1Th_5:23, 2Th_2:2, 2Th_2:8, 2Th_2:13, 1Ti_3:16, 1Ti_4:1, 1Ti_4:12, 2Ti_1:7, 2Ti_4:22, Phm_1:25, Heb_4:12, Heb_9:14, Heb_10:29, Jam_2:26, Jam_4:5, 1Pe_1:2, 1Pe_1:11, 1Pe_1:22, 1Pe_3:4, 1Pe_3:18, 1Pe_4:6, 1Pe_4:14, 1Jo_3:24, 1Jo_4:1-3 (4), 1Jo_4:6 (2), 1Jo_4:13, 1Jo_5:6 (2), 1Jo_5:8, Jud_1:19, Rev_1:10, Rev_2:7, Rev_2:11, Rev_2:17, Rev_2:29, Rev_3:6, Rev_3:13, Rev_3:22, Rev_4:2, Rev_11:11, Rev_14:13, Rev_17:3, Rev_18:2, Rev_21:10 (2), Rev_22:17
ghost, 92
Mat_1:17-18 (2), Mat_1:20, Mat_3:11, Mat_12:31-32 (2), Mat_27:50, Mat_28:19, Mar_1:8, Mar_3:29, Mar_12:36, Mar_13:11, Luk_1:15, Luk_1:35, Luk_1:41, Luk_1:67, Luk_2:25-26 (2), Luk_3:16, Luk_3:22, Luk_4:1, Luk_12:10, Luk_12:12, Joh_1:33, Joh_7:39, Joh_14:26, Joh_19:30, Joh_20:22, Act_1:2, Act_1:5, Act_1:8, Act_1:16, Act_2:4, Act_2:33, Act_2:38, Act_4:8, Act_4:31, Act_5:3, Act_5:32, Act_6:3, Act_6:5, Act_7:51, Act_7:55, Act_8:15, Act_8:17-19 (3), Act_9:17, Act_9:31, Act_10:38, Act_10:44-45 (2), Act_10:47, Act_11:15-16 (2), Act_11:24, Act_13:2, Act_13:4, Act_13:9, Act_13:52, Act_15:8, Act_15:28, Act_16:6, Act_19:2 (2), Act_19:6, Act_20:23, Act_20:28, Act_21:11, Act_28:25, Rom_5:5, Rom_9:1, Rom_14:17, Rom_15:13, Rom_15:16, 1Co_2:13, 1Co_6:19, 1Co_12:3, 2Co_6:6, 2Co_13:14, 1Th_1:5-6 (2), 2Ti_1:14, Tit_3:5, Heb_2:4, Heb_3:7, Heb_6:4, Heb_9:8, Heb_10:15, 1Pe_1:12, 2Pe_1:21, 1Jo_5:7, Jud_1:20
spirits, 32
Mat_8:16, Mat_10:1, Mat_12:45, Mar_1:27, Mar_3:11, Mar_5:13, Mar_6:7, Luk_4:36, Luk_6:18, Luk_7:21, Luk_8:2, Luk_10:20, Luk_11:26, Act_5:16, Act_8:7, Act_19:12-13 (2), 1Co_12:10, 1Co_14:32, 1Ti_4:1, Heb_1:7, Heb_1:14, Heb_12:9, Heb_12:23, 1Pe_3:19, 1Jo_4:1, Rev_1:4, Rev_3:1, Rev_5:5-6 (2), Rev_16:13-14 (2)
life, 1
Rev_13:14-15 (2)
spiritual, 1
1Co_14:12
spiritually, 1
Rom_8:6
wind, 1
Joh_3:8

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I agree that the body and soul are different. The Bible says Body + Breath of life = A Soul. The text does not say man was given a soul But, man became a soul. When a person dies it is the opposite

actually the bible says man became a -living- soul...

 

[Laodicea]

actually the bible says man became a -living- soul...

Yes I agree the Bible does say that, it does not say man was given a soul. Since man became a soul through God giving a body + the breath of life then do we still have a soul without either?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

The text is clear " The dead do not know anything" You people are putting your own interpretation into it and are passing it off as truth.

the context in the same verses makes it clear that they are talking about the physical bodies of the dead in this world...not about the spirit or consciousness in the afterlife...

a doctrine based on the fallacy of equivocation is a false doctrine...

 

[chesser]

Yes I agree the Bible does say that, it does not say man was given a soul. Since man became a soul through God giving a body + the breath of life then do we still have a soul without either?

ill have to agreewith RBS on this one, the fact thhat it became a living soul implies there was an unconcious one before

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

in that case trees can talk Juges9:8-15
One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

9 “But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’

10 “Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’

11 “But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’

12 “Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’

13 “But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’

14 “Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’

15 “The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!

we are talking specifically about parables of jesus...other parable tellers in other places at other times might have had a different style...

so your mention of a parable by a different person about 1,200 years prior has no bearing on the subject of the realism of jesus' parables...

 

[chesser]

so there are no confusions: here is what i belive on soul sleep: the rightous are immideatly ressurected, but the heaven they go to is not the same as the one there will be after the world ends(new heaven) the wicked may go to a holding place of some kind, or they may be unconscious,i am open to either side on that, however the bible is clear that they are not burning right now, and that the heaven the dead are in now is not the heaven that will be made at the end of the world.

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

so there are no confusions: here is what i belive on soul sleep: the rightous are immideatly ressurected, but the heaven they go to is not the same as the one there will be after the world ends(new heaven) the wicked may go to a holding place of some kind, or they may be unconscious,i am open to either side on that, however the bible is clear that they are not burning right now, and that the heaven the dead are in now is not the heaven that will be made at the end of the world.

We are not as far off from each other in our views as you may think

 

[Laodicea]

the context in the same verses makes it clear that they are talking about the physical bodies of the dead in this world...not about the spirit or consciousness in the afterlife...

a doctrine based on the fallacy of equivocation is a false doctrine...

[FONT=&quot]Genesis 2:7[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(7) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [/FONT][FONT=&quot]soul.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]These texts show other words translated from the same word as soul highlighted in red
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Genesis 1:21[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(21) And God created great whales, and every living [/FONT][FONT=&quot]creature[/FONT][FONT=&quot] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Genesis 23:8[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(8) And he communed with them, saying, If it be your [/FONT][FONT=&quot]mind[/FONT][FONT=&quot]that I should bury my dead out of my sight; hear me, and intreat for me to Ephron the son of Zohar,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Genesis 36:6[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(6) And Esau took his wives, and his sons, and his daughters, and all the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]persons[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of his house, and his cattle, and all his beasts, and all his substance, which he had got in the land of Canaan; and went into the country from the face of his brother Jacob.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Exodus 12:16[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(16) And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every [/FONT][FONT=&quot]man[/FONT][FONT=&quot] must eat, that only may be done of you.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Exodus 23:9[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(9) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the heart[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 2:1[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(1) And when [/FONT][FONT=&quot]any[/FONT][FONT=&quot] will offer a meat offering unto the LORD, his offering shall be of fine flour; and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 4:27[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(27) And if any [/FONT][FONT=&quot]one[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 11:10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(10) And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living [/FONT][FONT=&quot]thing[/FONT][FONT=&quot] which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 11:44[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(44) For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify [/FONT][FONT=&quot]yourselves,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 17:11[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(11) For [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the life[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 21:11[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(11) Neither shall he go in to any dead [/FONT][FONT=&quot]body,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother;
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 24:18[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(18) And he that killeth [/FONT][FONT=&quot]a beast[/FONT][FONT=&quot] shall make it good; beast for beast.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Leviticus 26:16[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(16) I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of heart:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

All the words in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]red [/FONT][FONT=&quot]are translated from the same word as soul. So then according to this what is the soul?[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Soul in the New Testament, words highlighted in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]red[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 10:28[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(28) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]soul:[/FONT][FONT=&quot] but rather fear him which is able to destroy both [/FONT][FONT=&quot]soul [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and body in hell.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Matthew 10:39[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(39) He that findeth his [/FONT][FONT=&quot]life[/FONT][FONT=&quot] shall lose it: and he that loseth his [/FONT][FONT=&quot]life[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for my sake shall find it.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Ephesians 6:6[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(6) Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the heart;
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Philippians 1:27[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(27) Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one [/FONT][FONT=&quot]mind[/FONT][FONT=&quot] striving together for the faith of the gospel;

All the words in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]red[/FONT][FONT=&quot] are translated from the same word as soul so then to put all of these verses together from both the OT and NT what is the soul? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Thats the thing about the word soul, and spirit. It has different shades of meaning. It is a fallacy to place only one meaning to these words. You have to look at all the verses in the Bible where these words are used to get a true sense and feel of what these words can mean.

yes that is very true...for example a verse commonly distorted by annihilationists is the one that says 'the soul that sins will die'...but when you actually study the passage in its context you see that the word 'soul' is being used in the sense of an individual...like when we say 'i will not tell a soul'...and you also see that the death it is talking about is an execution for civil crimes...the whole passage has nothing to do with the question of conscious existence after death...

 

[chesser]

I would after discovering ellen g white and how they feel about her.

you know,martin luther(founder of prodestantism) belived in soul sleep, therefore, protestants are all cultists(by your logic) the founder doesnt represent the entire sect

 

[chesser]

yes that is very true...for example a verse commonly distorted by annihilationists is the one that says 'the soul that sins will die'...but when you actually study the passage in its context you see that the word 'soul' is being used in the sense of an individual...like when we say 'i will not tell a soul'...and you also see that the death it is talking about is an execution for civil crimes...the whole passage has nothing to do with the question of conscious existence after death...

well, the soul is the individual isnt it?the body is a shell,and thespirit gives the soul life,so, i guess you can say the individual that sins shall die, but that really means the same thing

 

[Closemyeyes2cU]

you know,martin luther(founder of prodestantism) belived in soul sleep, therefore, protestants are all cultists(by your logic) the founder doesnt represent the entire sect

By my logic you will notice in previous post's I said "not always" and there are "exceptions to the rule". Like Rachel said though...USUALLY false doctrines come in packs. I actually own a study Bible by a guy who believed in soul sleep.