THE DECEIVED CHRISTIAN

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samuel23 said:
Thanks for the post Blind, you really made my point. You are so totally deceived that you are ignoring the millions of people who could lose their souls because of the spreading of this false pre-trib rapture doctrine, meanwhile you are trying to lecture me on bringing life to the lost. Why don't YOU bring life to the lost? You may escape the destruction that comes from promoting the false pre-trib rapture, but the generation alive when Christ returns will suffer terribly because of it, that could be your grand children or great grand children.
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Grow up..........
 
Blain

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samuel23 said:
Thanks for the post Blind, you really made my point. You are so totally deceived that you are ignoring the millions of people who could lose their souls because of the spreading of this false pre-trib rapture doctrine, meanwhile you are trying to lecture me on bringing life to the lost. Why don't YOU bring life to the lost? You may escape the destruction that comes from promoting the false pre-trib rapture, but the generation alive when Christ returns will suffer terribly because of it, that could be your grand children or great grand children.
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Millions of people losing their souls? strange I thought our salvation was based on faith in him not our faith in the timing of the rapture. Samuel you are 72 yet you are acting like a child, should you not be setting an example for the young ones like me? Wisdom, maturity, patience and faith these are all things that come in time and through experience which is why I am saying that with all the years on you why are acting like this? We are called to love each other not attack and mock each other even if we disagree on a topic like this and have opposing views is that really reason enough to act so hatefully?
 
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Question, since you folks know the Lord why are you teaching a pre-trib gathering of the church? Christians have been given the Spirit of Truth, Christians are led by the Spirit. The Spirit of God makes alive the words of Jesus, so my question is, why do you not believe Jesus when He said He would return after the tribulation and gather the church? A simple question. Do you know why God killed Ananias and Sapphira? They were professing Christians, members of the church. They did what we today call a con job, they lied to get what they wanted, they thought they were just lying to humans but God took it personal and said that they were lying to God. Most folks that believe in a pre-trib rapture do not worry whether it is a lie or not, because they just see it as one man against another man(or woman). In all of this discussion no one really considers God except in some vague distant sort of way. Folks, if pre-trib is a lie(and the evidence shows that it is) then God must be enraged when people teach it. If God was so angry over the lie that Ananias told that He killed him, what does God think about the lie about the return of His Son?
 
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samuel23 said:
Question, since you folks know the Lord why are you teaching a pre-trib gathering of the church? Christians have been given the Spirit of Truth, Christians are led by the Spirit. The Spirit of God makes alive the words of Jesus, so my question is, why do you not believe Jesus when He said He would return after the tribulation and gather the church? A simple question. Do you know why God killed Ananias and Sapphira? They were professing Christians, members of the church. They did what we today call a con job, they lied to get what they wanted, they thought they were just lying to humans but God took it personal and said that they were lying to God. Most folks that believe in a pre-trib rapture do not worry whether it is a lie or not, because they just see it as one man against another man(or woman). In all of this discussion no one really considers God except in some vague distant sort of way. Folks, if pre-trib is a lie(and the evidence shows that it is) then God must be enraged when people teach it. If God was so angry over the lie that Ananias told that He killed him, what does God think about the lie about the return of His Son?
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Do not assume you know how God feels, his anger is not over whether or not we believe in the post trib or not and you are in no place to speak of being led by the spirit. were you lead by the spirit when making this thread which the op was to mock and look down upon pretrib rapture believers? were you lead by the spirit when you responded to others in a hateful way? were you lead by the spirit ion this post here when you made all these false accusations? Do not confuse your feelings and thoughts with God's
 
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samuel23 said:
Question, since you folks know the Lord why are you teaching a pre-trib gathering of the church? Christians have been given the Spirit of Truth, Christians are led by the Spirit. The Spirit of God makes alive the words of Jesus, so my question is, why do you not believe Jesus when He said He would return after the tribulation and gather the church? A simple question. Do you know why God killed Ananias and Sapphira? They were professing Christians, members of the church. They did what we today call a con job, they lied to get what they wanted, they thought they were just lying to humans but God took it personal and said that they were lying to God. Most folks that believe in a pre-trib rapture do not worry whether it is a lie or not, because they just see it as one man against another man(or woman). In all of this discussion no one really considers God except in some vague distant sort of way. Folks, if pre-trib is a lie(and the evidence shows that it is) then God must be enraged when people teach it. If God was so angry over the lie that Ananias told that He killed him, what does God think about the lie about the return of His Son?
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Obviously you think that His Children can lose salvation. But salvation is secure in Him.

And teaching His children that He will forsake them is one of the most damaging teachings......But guess what?You will still be saved.................Just as if through fire.
 
Angela53510

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samuel23 said:
Thanks for the post Blind, you really made my point. You are so totally deceived that you are ignoring the millions of people who could lose their souls because of the spreading of this false pre-trib rapture doctrine, meanwhile you are trying to lecture me on bringing life to the lost. Why don't YOU bring life to the lost? You may escape the destruction that comes from promoting the false pre-trib rapture, but the generation alive when Christ returns will suffer terribly because of it, that could be your grand children or great grand children.
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This is just ludicrous, besides being in total error!

Once more: GOD DOES NOT SEND ANYONE TO HELL FOR THEIR ESCHATOLOGY!

Eschatology is merely an educated guess at what MAY happen. I do understand your frustration with people who are so vehement about a pre-trib rapture. They can get pretty annoying. I even was a member of a forum once, where everyone believed you were going to hell if you didn't believe in it. Which I did not! Why was I even there! Well, there were a lot of good topics, some nice people and other than eschatology, it was pretty biblically sound! So what happened? Well, I left as the Rapture kept spilling over into every other discussion. I didn't even tell them what I believed, I just left.

The thing is, I knew those people loved and served Jesus! Just as I know you do, Samuel. If you had ever spent time in seminary, you would have been exposed to all the viewpoints and told that NONE of them save you! Or send you to hell! As everyone has said over and over, and you don't seem to hear, only Jesus saves!

Eschatology is a side doctrine. Yes, Jesus is returning! Yes, we are awaiting his return! That is not the side doctrine. The side doctrine is the HOW! The side doctrine is thinking your end times views are important! And the utterly wrong doctrine, is thinking that anyone who doesn't believe the same thing as you about this side topic is going to hell!

The only thing important about eschatology, is being prepared for the return of Jesus Christ. That is what is in the Bible.

As for the Rapture - no such thing. Just find it in any translation of the Bible, besides Jerome's 4th century Latin, and I will concede you are right! (As for Jerome, he really had a poor working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew, which is why the Vulgate is such a bad translation!) And if it is not in the Bible, it usually is not true! And if it is not in the Bible, why would you believe it anyway!


As for the concern you show for my children and grandchildren, well, none of them are serving God. So, if you want to pray for them, pray they will turn to Christ, which is what really counts, not these imaginative guesses as to end times scenerios!
 
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samuel23 said:
Question, since you folks know the Lord why are you teaching a pre-trib gathering of the church? Christians have been given the Spirit of Truth, Christians are led by the Spirit. The Spirit of God makes alive the words of Jesus, so my question is, why do you not believe Jesus when He said He would return after the tribulation and gather the church? A simple question. Do you know why God killed Ananias and Sapphira? They were professing Christians, members of the church. They did what we today call a con job, they lied to get what they wanted, they thought they were just lying to humans but God took it personal and said that they were lying to God. Most folks that believe in a pre-trib rapture do not worry whether it is a lie or not, because they just see it as one man against another man(or woman). In all of this discussion no one really considers God except in some vague distant sort of way. Folks, if pre-trib is a lie(and the evidence shows that it is) then God must be enraged when people teach it. If God was so angry over the lie that Ananias told that He killed him, what does God think about the lie about the return of His Son?
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I dont believe pre-trib to be a lie,I believe it to be the truth. Ananias knew he was lying,he and his wife lied to the Holy Spirit,deliberately. There is no comparison as much as you wish to try and stretch it.
 
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I happen to believe that a pre-trib rapture will occur, but I'm not about to condemn any Christian who doesn't believe it.

I was taught to respect my elders. 'Nuff said.
 
Blain

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NotmebutHim said:
I happen to believe that a pre-trib rapture will occur, but I'm not about to condemn any Christian who doesn't believe it.

I was taught to respect my elders. 'Nuff said.
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Well said that was an intelligent and well spoken post:)
 
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NotmebutHim said:
I happen to believe that a pre-trib rapture will occur, but I'm not about to condemn any Christian who doesn't believe it.

I was taught to respect my elders. 'Nuff said.
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I respect my elders also. But those who tell me to BURN my brothers and sisters about what they believe in eschatology will get a respectful slap to face from me.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Shoot i just read scripture for what it has to say about end times and let it be that. I just remain faithful in Jesus because by the time the rapture, tribulations, and end revelations begin its all the same. Remain faithful. Jesus will return when least expected so regardless he will come when he comes.
 
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The fact that there is such venom against the belief of a pre trib rapture is pretty telling. People seem to panic at the thought, and as such...well, you know what panicky people do.
 
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samuel23 said:
Thanks for the post Blind, you really made my point. You are so totally deceived that you are ignoring the millions of people who could lose their souls because of the spreading of this false pre-trib rapture doctrine, meanwhile you are trying to lecture me on bringing life to the lost. Why don't YOU bring life to the lost? You may escape the destruction that comes from promoting the false pre-trib rapture, but the generation alive when Christ returns will suffer terribly because of it, that could be your grand children or great grand children.
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How, exactly, would "the spreading of this false pre-trib rapture doctrine" cause millions to "lose their souls"? Please spell it out. I'd like to see logic, reason, and scripture to support your assertion.
 
RickyZ

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Samuel's not wrong.

But his presentation leaves much to be desired.
 
Blain

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Sigh... anytime the rapture is mentioned chaos is sure to follow....
 
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samuel23 said:
Question, since you folks know the Lord why are you teaching a pre-trib gathering of the church? Christians have been given the Spirit of Truth, Christians are led by the Spirit. The Spirit of God makes alive the words of Jesus, so my question is, why do you not believe Jesus when He said He would return after the tribulation and gather the church? A simple question. Do you know why God killed Ananias and Sapphira? They were professing Christians, members of the church. They did what we today call a con job, they lied to get what they wanted, they thought they were just lying to humans but God took it personal and said that they were lying to God. Most folks that believe in a pre-trib rapture do not worry whether it is a lie or not, because they just see it as one man against another man(or woman). In all of this discussion no one really considers God except in some vague distant sort of way. Folks, if pre-trib is a lie(and the evidence shows that it is) then God must be enraged when people teach it. If God was so angry over the lie that Ananias told that He killed him, what does God think about the lie about the return of His Son?
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'Jesus will gather his elect from the four corners of HEAVEN' (Mark 13:27 KJV).......The elect is the Church and apparently already in heaven via the RAPTURE. OOPs

Jesus tells us to Blaspheme against Him or the Father is forgivable but NOT the Holy Spirit which who they were Lying to.

pure Bable for sure. could not understand its reasoning???????????

Yet the Church is still here. SooooooI guess it is not a LIE after all.
 
Reborn

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Ugly said:
.... especially when it's a post just to trash other Christians on something not essential to salvation.
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Annoying isn't it?


Don't ya hate when people say the same exact thing over and over and over and over...expecting it to change?
 
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samuel23 said:
Is anything more sad then the deceived Christian? It is like the football player who got hit really hard and spun around while running for a touchdown, and without realizing it he was running to score for the opposing team, and he did it to, he made points for the team they were trying to beat. Though it was obvious to the spectators that he was scoring for the enemy, yet not obvious at all to him, he was making a total fool out of himself in the eyes of everyone but himself. So it is with the professing Christians who insist on promoting the false pre-tribulation gathering of the church. They are joyously charging down the field to score points for Satan, not knowing that informed Christians, the angels of God, the Father and the Son, are saddened, possibly even embarrassed(if God can be embarrassed). Of course, Satan and his followers are rolling on the ground with laugher because they have professing people of God destroying people of God. Make no doubt about it, if the false pre-trib rapture is still in place when Christ returns it will cause the loss of possibly millions of souls.
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Oh,gooodie, we pretribs are no longer being framed as demonic.

And wow,he even says we are christians.!!!
 
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samuel23 said:
Question, since you folks know the Lord why are you teaching a pre-trib gathering of the church? Christians have been given the Spirit of Truth, Christians are led by the Spirit. The Spirit of God makes alive the words of Jesus, so my question is, why do you not believe Jesus when He said He would return after the tribulation and gather the church? A simple question. Do you know why God killed Ananias and Sapphira? They were professing Christians, members of the church. They did what we today call a con job, they lied to get what they wanted, they thought they were just lying to humans but God took it personal and said that they were lying to God. Most folks that believe in a pre-trib rapture do not worry whether it is a lie or not, because they just see it as one man against another man(or woman). In all of this discussion no one really considers God except in some vague distant sort of way. Folks, if pre-trib is a lie(and the evidence shows that it is) then God must be enraged when people teach it. If God was so angry over the lie that Ananias told that He killed him, what does God think about the lie about the return of His Son?
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And yet us liars blow you out of the water at will doctrinally.

Too funny.
 
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Hey Blain: What a totally ridiculous and completely unfounded reply. Do you expect me to give honor to a lie devised by Satan to destroy vast numbers of souls? Because you are blind to the lie of the pre-trib rapture do you expect me to play some silly game and pretend that this horrible lie from Satan, something that any twelve year old child can see is a lie, SHOULD BE GIVEN RESPECT. My question to you is, are you led by the Spirit when you attack a believer who has told you the absolute truth from the word of God? You have been warned that the pre-trib rapture is a dangerous lie from Satan, since the truth of that statement can be easily found in the word of God you are without excuse.
 
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