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Yes they do and my wife has seen them before, I have had visitations in my dreams.
i am not talking about dreams i mean can you see an angel standing in front of you while your wife not see even if both of you are in the same room and watching in the same direction ? why or why not
 
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If the entire earth was flooded over then how is it the garden isn't destroyed?

Where did the dove get the olive branch and why did not the bird return to the ark hmmm all tress were destroyed hmmm how did they grow back just a thought
 

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i am not talking about dreams i mean can you see an angel standing in front of you while your wife not see even if both of you are in the same room and watching in the same direction ? why or why not
Hmm, I guess they could if they wanted/had a reason too?
Where did the dove get the olive branch and why did not the bird return to the ark hmmm all tress were destroyed hmmm how did they grow back just a thought
I think the approximate area where the garden was/is is now deserted over yeh?
 
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Hmm, I guess they could if they wanted/had a reason too?

I think the approximate area where the garden was/is is now deserted over yeh?
so what happen to the cherubibs hmmm what are they guarding ?
 

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If the Garden of Eden on earth why it cannot be located in this day and age, God never destroyed the Garden of Eden, He booted Adam & Eve out of it. Even the Dust of the Ground that man was created from is not from the Garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden was not affected by the fall of man. The rest of the Earth was.

God bless
Genesis 2

10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers.


Revelation 22

The River and the Tree of Life

1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,2in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47

Water Flowing from the Temple

1Then he brought me back to the door of the temple, and behold, water was issuing from below the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was flowing down from below the south end of the threshold of the temple, south of the altar.2Then he brought me out by way of the north gate and led me around on the outside to the outer gate that faces toward the east; and behold, the water was trickling out on the south side.
3Going on eastward with a measuring line in his hand, the man measured a thousand cubits,[SUP]a[/SUP] and then led me through the water, and it was ankle-deep.4Again he measured a thousand, and led me through the water, and it was knee-deep. Again he measured a thousand, and led me through the water, and it was waist-deep.5Again he measured a thousand, and it was a river that I could not pass through, for the water had risen. It was deep enough to swim in, a river that could not be passed through.6And he said to me, “Son of man, have you seen this?”
Then he led me back to the bank of the river.7 As I went back, I saw on the bank of the river many trees on the one side and on the other.8And he said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, and enters the sea;[SUP]b[/SUP] when the water flows into the sea, the water will become fresh.[SUP]c[/SUP]9And wherever the river goes,[SUP]d[/SUP] every living creature that swarms will live, and there will be very many fish. For this water goes there, that the waters of the sea[SUP]e[/SUP] may become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.10Fishermen will stand beside the sea. From Engedi to Eneglaim it will be a place for the spreading of nets. Its fish will be of very many kinds, like the fish of the Great Sea.[SUP]f[/SUP]11But its swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they are to be left for salt.12 And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. There leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fruit every month. Because the water for them flows from the sanctuary.Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

The source of that river in Genesis 2:10 Is The Throne of God

God bless
 
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Genesis 2

10 Now a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden; and from there it divided and became four rivers.


Revelation 22

The River and the Tree of Life

1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,2in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Ezekiel 47

Water Flowing from the Temple

1Then he brought me back to the door of the temple, and behold, water was issuing from below the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was flowing down from below the south end of the threshold of the temple, south of the altar.2Then he brought me out by way of the north gate and led me around on the outside to the outer gate that faces toward the east; and behold, the water was trickling out on the south side.
3Going on eastward with a measuring line in his hand, the man measured a thousand cubits,[SUP]a[/SUP] and then led me through the water, and it was ankle-deep.4Again he measured a thousand, and led me through the water, and it was knee-deep. Again he measured a thousand, and led me through the water, and it was waist-deep.5Again he measured a thousand, and it was a river that I could not pass through, for the water had risen. It was deep enough to swim in, a river that could not be passed through.6And he said to me, “Son of man, have you seen this?”
Then he led me back to the bank of the river.7 As I went back, I saw on the bank of the river many trees on the one side and on the other.8And he said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, and enters the sea;[SUP]b[/SUP] when the water flows into the sea, the water will become fresh.[SUP]c[/SUP]9And wherever the river goes,[SUP]d[/SUP] every living creature that swarms will live, and there will be very many fish. For this water goes there, that the waters of the sea[SUP]e[/SUP] may become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.10Fishermen will stand beside the sea. From Engedi to Eneglaim it will be a place for the spreading of nets. Its fish will be of very many kinds, like the fish of the Great Sea.[SUP]f[/SUP]11But its swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they are to be left for salt.12 And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. There leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fruit every month. Because the water for them flows from the sanctuary.Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

The source of that river in Genesis 2:10 Is The Throne of God

God bless

Will this be on the new earth or in heaven ?
 

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Will this be on the new earth or in heaven ?
When the fall of man occur in the Garden of Eden ,it seems that the river that was watering the Garden of Eden was perfection. When God removed them from the Garden of Eden, curse was the ground (dust) on earth that they where made from. This river in Genesis 2:10 was cut off from the world in order that curruption (the curse) take it toll on the earth and everything living in it. sickness death etc.

Ezekiel 47

And he said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, and enters the sea;[SUP]b[/SUP] when the water flows into the sea, the water will become fresh.[SUP]c[/SUP]9And wherever the river goes,[SUP]d[/SUP] every living creature that swarms will live, and there will be very many fish. For this water goes there, that the waters of the sea[SUP]e[/SUP] may become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.

As for your question, i will get back to it tommorow if Possible God Bless
 
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When the fall of man occur in the Garden of Eden ,it seems that the river that was watering the Garden of Eden was perfection. When God removed them from the Garden of Eden, curse was the ground (dust) on earth that they where made from. This river in Genesis 2:10 was cut off from the world in order that curruption (the curse) take it toll on the earth and everything living in it. sickness death etc.

Ezekiel 47

And he said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, and enters the sea;[SUP]b[/SUP] when the water flows into the sea, the water will become fresh.[SUP]c[/SUP]9And wherever the river goes,[SUP]d[/SUP] every living creature that swarms will live, and there will be very many fish. For this water goes there, that the waters of the sea[SUP]e[/SUP] may become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.

As for your question, i will get back to it tommorow if Possible God Bless

no problem it fun and educational to discuss the bible
 

vic1980

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When the fall of man occur in the Garden of Eden ,it seems that the river that was watering the Garden of Eden was perfection. When God removed them from the Garden of Eden, curse was the ground (dust) on earth that they where made from. This river in Genesis 2:10 was cut off from the world in order that curruption (the curse) take it toll on the earth and everything living in it. sickness death etc.

Ezekiel 47

And he said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, and enters the sea;[SUP]b[/SUP] when the water flows into the sea, the water will become fresh.[SUP]c[/SUP]9And wherever the river goes,[SUP]d[/SUP] every living creature that swarms will live, and there will be very many fish. For this water goes there, that the waters of the sea[SUP]e[/SUP] may become fresh; so everything will live where the river goes.

As for your question, i will get back to it tommorow if Possible God Bless
This river and thee Garden of Eden, in Genesis 2:10, was cut off from the world.*

God bless
 
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Why did God allow the devil to contiue and did not destroy him immediately?
devil is created by God for a purpose. Paul says

1C 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The salvation of the spirit of the sinner is attained only through the destruction of the flesh, and for that the devil is required...to destroy the flesh.

To be in the image of God, it is very important to know what is good and evil, having the capacity to differentiate between good and evil...for that we have to know and experience both good and evil. devil is used in this process for us to know the evil.
 

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Sure (sorry about that). Here's the full passage to answer your question. Revelation 12 starts off with the phrase "and there appeared a great wonder in heaven". This means John started having *another* vision of the same event that he previously saw, only from another perspective (like with Daniel, God always gives more than one vision of the same thing because - again - the testimony of 2 or more establishes truth).

Revelation 12:5-10


Christ foresaw when the adversary would be cast out of heaven during his ministry, when his disciples were casting out demons (Luke 10:17-18)...but yes, scripture says the actual event occurred when Christ ascended to heaven. Then there was a war in heaven where the adversary and his agents were cast out of heaven. Which resulted in the clock ticking away to his judgment. Because of this he has great wrath. Before that, the adversary had a rightful place in heaven.
So now one can approach the throne of grace in confidence of what our Savior has (past tense) accomplished for us
[h=3]John 14:27[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.
 

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I beg to disagree that the only time the devil was cast out of heaven is when Jesus ascended into heaven.

I believe that the devil was cast out of heaven from the begining

Will God allow sin to dwell with him hmmm why did God cast out Adam and Eve as soon as they sin out of the garden of Eden?

PSALMS 94

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Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?
Revelation is not a book of only future events


Revelation 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;



what i understand the book states past present and future events .
No matter what the devil has been: right now today it is done, no matter what was before it is finished, and we can rejoice, taken care of, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
 

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Was Jesus said He saw satan fall like lightning out of heaven, I thought He meant He was there and saw it whenever satan did around Adam and Eve's time?
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (There is a warfare still going on today outside the heavenly realms)

Man was accused day and night, and today, Jesus sits at the right hand of God, with hand up to those that can't enter to the throne of grace, being of the evil, unbelief, and we can now enter with confidence, because of what Christ has done for us through his death, we can enter, not by any of our works by Christ's alone
Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
And that is not for more forgiveness, it is for learning how to walk in the Spirit as Christ did, God gets all the credit as Christ showed. We are only participators, we have no righteousness of our own ever, we are partakers in this miraculous salvation only, not imitators
[h=3]John 14:27[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

The peace God gives is not of this world, so we get to discern what is of this world and what is not, with God teaching us the truth of what is and what is not
Love to you from God

 

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First of all God created all the angels at one time. They do not have children ( sorry catholics no baby angels). Lucifer has the highest angel in heaven and led the praise and worship service ( thats why he is so talented in music and most don't know it). He chose to rebel against God thinking that he himself could be God. He himself is deceived and the master deceiver. God created everything good and then gave them and us a choice. Remember that 1/3 of the angels CHOOSE to side with satan. So much for predestination. God created man knowing that he would fail, but had a plan even before creation and that was Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Thanks for the insight on the music Kerry
 

homwardbound

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Originally Posted by Isdaniel
Why did God allow the devil to contiue and did not destroy him immediately?
God is a Merciful God
 
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did the devil had time to repent ? Why or Why not
 

homwardbound

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Did the devil sin in heaven or in the garden of eden first ?
I see it this way, 1/3 of the angels saw the light of God through Lucifer, that were convinced by Lucifer that this light that shone so brightly through him, that he was and is God.
God saw this and God made man, and shone his light on man, and so Lucifer's bright light that had been shinning through him, now does not shine as bright. so he came to earth used the serpent to deceive man and kill man, for God said Adam would die if he ate, so he got Adam to eat and expected Adam to die, thinking he would get that bright shinning light back, but did not, and God had Mercy.
I love God don't you?
 

homwardbound

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Revelation 4

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Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Absolute truth and I am rejoicing for the amazing Mercy of God, that I know I do not deserve, am thankful just to be accepted in the beloved, anyone else?
 

homwardbound

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Did the devil sin in heaven or in the garden of eden first ?
Deception started in heaven with the angels that he was taking charge of through deceiving them, convincing them that he was and is God
 

homwardbound

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The Garden of eden location is in paradise so it is heaven. The tree of life never moved when Adam & Eve where booted out of the Garden. Revelation 2:7 I belive.
Good point, for no one has found this place as of yet here on earth have they interesting thanks