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i read rev 14 I do not see a verse say therevare 2 rapture
How you say the dead precede the living mean pre trib?
It can be post trib, the dead go to the air first and it only take a second, the next second are the living
Both can happen in the twinkle of an eye, so only need two twinkle of an eye
And it happen in the last trump. Do tribulation start in the last trump?
No. So pretrib not fit with this verse
1 Corinthians 15:52 King James Version (KJV)
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead
shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
i read rev 14 I do not see a verse say therevare 2 rapture
the first gathering is the firstfruits 144k;
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song
before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but
the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.
These were redeemed from among men, being the
firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
clearly the 144k are in heaven well into the gt.
Now that alone "violates" any supposition that the dead are raised postrib (we know that is impossible because 1 thes4 says the dead rise first)
But wait....firstfruits points to main harvest!!!
Here is the harvest after firstfruits:
rev 14
14 And
I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And
another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth;
and the earth was reaped.
But,but ,but that aint in the gt..
Oh yes it is...look how the Holy Ghost put that dynamic in there;
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
See that? That was added by the Holy Spirit as a component to designate; 1) a warning and admonition just before the rapture of the ripe fruit or messianic Jews.
2)To cannonise the setting of that vivid gathering /rapture in the middle of or well into the gt,
So,we see that ONLY A PRETRIB RAPTURE harmonises wirth rev 14