The easy way to spot a false grace message

[Stephen63]

The hyper grace detectives in this thread are erecting straw men at an alarming pace, accusing others of things they cannot substantiate.

'Somewhere, out there, they teach this that we are alleging and attacking. And, since we cannot find 'them', nor can we document what we accuse, well, we'll just blame it on those who post on this site and twist their words and say it's them'.

LOL!!!!

You 'detectives' are swinging at a FGT piñata and have yet to hit it because you have no idea what you're even attacking. It's hard for you to hit a target when you don't know what it is. Keep swinging, maybe you'll hit something.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, & so am I. Let me tell you mine.....

The hyper-grace followers on this site have been growing at an alarming rate lately. Now there's a big bunch of them. At least it "looks" like there's a bunch of them.

IMO, there's several members holding multiple memberships to multiply the effect they have in the BDF. Not only that, but some of them are PAID WORKERS, hired by hypergrace web sites, book publishers, or televangelists to advertise their doctrine & sell their wares.

Don't believe it? These HG's only argued & fought on here for a SOLID YEAR, taking over the whole BDF. Just ask the Admins & mods, they'll tell you.

These paid workers holding multiple memberships & pushing their agenda is called sock puppetry. Sock puppets are paid professionals whose sole purpose is to perpetuate a lie that, as an example, a certain new item for sale is the hottest new thing out there & everybody should buy it.
The REAL truth is, the new item is a piece of junk & folks are getting paid to pump up its sales.

The same thing is happening here..... people are getting paid to illegally advertise a false doctrine against CC rules, & holding multiple memberships to do it, which is against CC rules. Sock puppets, plain & simple. This is why they seem to work in "packs".

How's that for "detective work?"

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes, and if sin does not have dominion over you that means you will no longer be a servant of sin, which means you will not be sinning. This is not rocket science, just simple deduction.

Take it step by step. Those who commit sin are servants of sin, which means sin has dominion over them because they serve it's desires.

John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

I understand your view here.

So, do you still sin from time to time? Let's explore the "application" of this.

 

[preacher4truth]

Hmm! More of the same. You say:

"No one here teaches what you accuse."You have been here 7 days now, how would you know, really??

Show me some posts otherwise that are relevant to, um, today? I'll be waiting.

"No one is saying works do not matter." Again, there may be strange people here who do believe this. We had a bunch of actual sinless perfection people here from South Africa a few years ago. They seriously believed and posted stuff like this. And that people who were not sinless were not saved.

Go get some proof to your 'yesteryear', I'm posting in the here and now.

"Everyone here agrees.....". You have been here 6 days, have you read the thousands and thousands of posts in hundreds of threads? You know that "everyone" agrees, or just the group you have joined?

Have you read the thousands and thousands, or is it, we're rather living in the here and now? It's telltale that you've left of the context of my statement, then, leaving that off you begin your attack. Yep, been here a few days, but have been other places much longer, so I'm bringing that right here.

I am seriously thinking you must be a returning member,

And you're 'not so seriously'wrong.

because I find it hard to believe anyone could know "everyone" and say that "no one" teaches what ISIT is "accusing."

Why is that so hard to believe? You are implying you know everything, including me as some returning member. Guess what? I'm new here and will challenge others theology, including yours. But the thing is, you've offered no theology, only ad hominem.

That is ok, but maybe better to let people know, so we don't call you out. Or, perhaps you have confused CC with another forum? Or perhaps you have not learned the skills of not including everyone who posts in a thread with your generalizations? Very curious! Not sure what is going on here!

I don't need your OK, but thanks.

You're 'not sure what's going on here'? No, no, you know all and everything, just ask yourself, you're certain you know what is going on here. LOL!!!!!!

 

[Angela53510]

...this is unbelievable, now comparing others to a child molester. Wonder why these guys get defended (and those of this camp were defended) wonder why they aren't called out, while using Scripture as an observation is called out. And, you know, for 'being a newbie'. Sad, but LOL!!!!!!!!

Sorry, you need to read Grace777's post, just before the one you are commenting on. (Page 20, #396) It was Grace that made the child molester analogy. Peter was merely commenting and noting that it must have come out of anger. (Page 20 #399)

This is either a newbie mistake (I do doubt that!) or you are not reading all the posts. Welcome to that club! It never ends, sometimes!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

So, do you still sin from time to time?

Like I said before time and time again, it does matter what I am or what you are, because it does not make the words of God any less true.

The only reason you guys want to know is to accuse me, either way I answer I will either be called a liar or a hypocrite.

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

So, do you still sin from time to time?

Like I said before time and time again, it does matter what I am or what you are, because it does not make the words of God any less true.

The only reason you guys want to know is to accuse me, either way I answer I will either be called a liar or a hypocrite.

That is not true. I promise I will not call you a hypocrite or a liar. I believe it is a legitimate question because then we can explore the "application" of some scriptures.

I do not ask to condemn you but to give real life legs to things so that we can all grow and learn together. I have said before - I agree with much of what you say and I have given you reps too. Is this not true?

Can we please not have anyone call ISIT names if he answers the question. Thank you.

Let's use this time to explore the scriptures and their applications to us.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

How can we sin if all things are lawful for us?

Why would Paul also give many warnings about sin and sinning, and lists of sins that would keep one from inheriting the Kingdom of God if one could not sin?

 

[preacher4truth]

Sorry, you need to read Grace777's post, just before the one you are commenting on. (Page 20, #396) It was Grace that made the child molester analogy. Peter was merely commenting and noting that it must have come out of anger. (Page 20 #399)

This is either a newbie mistake (I do doubt that!) or you are not reading all the posts. Welcome to that club! It never ends, sometimes!

OK. Whomever uses a child molester analogy needs to end it. It is not useful. You can continue to doubt and claim that I'm a newbie, no matter here, just found this site a week ago, have never been here prior.

 

[Angela53510]

This has been made the worst thread I have ever read in this forum. (And you know that is saying a LOT1) I stopped at page 22, because I cannot bear to see people being so hostile, and angry at other members of the body of Christ.

The usual suspects did this. They are like vultures! Oh, wait, let me explain before you accuse me of being "unloving." Vultures circle above the landscape, only coming down when they smell a death, or an animal near death. So many people swooping in and trying to make dead meat out of people. (Its a loose analogy, I know!)

I also do not totally agree with ISIT on some of his posts. But I will not stand by and see anyone bullied. If people were posting Scriptures and debating the OP, even in a heated manner, I could accept it.

Instead, people are either slandering, commenting on people's posts without looking at where the information came from, and no one is barely addressing the Scriptures.

By the way, ignoring the OP Scriptures and answering back with your own favourite verses is not really the point. True, you certainly can add verses which show something different. But if you can't counter the verses in the OP, then in essence, you are saying the Bible contradicts itself.

And that happens in so much more than just this thread! Deal with the OP's scripture, then add your supporting verses. Well, at least a few people have added one or two verses.

PS. Just for me, will you add the book, chapter and verse? Because I am not going to spend hours looking up each reference if the person is too lazy to do it themselves. It also tells me the person is quoting off the top of their heads, and didn't even go back to look up their OWN verses in context. I have never posted a single verse without first reading it in context. Sometimes that means going back for chapters!

I am so outta here! Sorry I can't stay around to defend those who are taking a beating. I am on your side!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

That is not true. I promise I will not call you a hypocrite or a liar. I believe it is a legitimate question because then we can explore the "application" of some scriptures.

I do not ask to condemn you but to give real life legs to things so that we can all grow and learn together. I have said before - I agree with much of what you say and I have given you reps too. Is this not true?

But you don't need to know about me to confirm the words of God, just as I do need to know about every tom, dick, or harry to understand all the mysteries in the words of God. Your only purpose for asking is to accuse, I'm not a dummy ya know? (doh sum may dink sow)

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by Angela53510

Sorry, you need to read Grace777's post, just before the one you are commenting on. (Page 20, #396) It was Grace that made the child molester analogy. Peter was merely commenting and noting that it must have come out of anger. (Page 20 #399)

This is either a newbie mistake (I do doubt that!) or you are not reading all the posts. Welcome to that club! It never ends, sometimes!

OK. Whomever uses a child molester analogy needs to end it. It is not useful. You can continue to doubt and claim that I'm a newbie, no matter here, just found this site a week ago, have never been here prior.

I did say that I would forgive a child molester but I wouldn't let them in my house until there was repentance.

I was using that to show that some we need to stay away from interacting with those that refuse to change their behavior but that we could still forgive them of wrongs.

No harm done brother. Things can get messed up in these forums sometimes.

 

[preacher4truth]

Instead, people are either slandering, commenting on people's posts without looking at where the information came from, and no one is barely addressing the Scriptures.

Yes, yourself included, not to mention doing so because others are 'new'. Quite unwelcoming, inhospitable, and demeaning of you. You really need to take a look at YOU before you go off and attack others because they are new, and, because you think they've been here before. Now, where are YOUR Scriptures?

 

[preacher4truth]

Originally Posted by Angela53510

Sorry, you need to read Grace777's post, just before the one you are commenting on. (Page 20, #396) It was Grace that made the child molester analogy. Peter was merely commenting and noting that it must have come out of anger. (Page 20 #399)

This is either a newbie mistake (I do doubt that!) or you are not reading all the posts. Welcome to that club! It never ends, sometimes!




I did say that I would forgive a child molester but I wouldn't let them in my house until there was repentance.

I was using that to show that some we need to stay away from interacting with those that refuse to change their behavior but that we could still forgive them of wrongs.

No harm done brother. Things can get messed up in these forums sometimes.

Yes, they get messed up and my bad. I am sorry for offending, it was not intentional.

 

[Grace777x70]

But you don't need to know about me to confirm the words of God, just as I do need to know about every tom, dick, or harry to understand all the mysteries in the words of God. Your only purpose for asking is to accuse, I'm not a dummy ya know? (doh sum may dink sow)

But we do need to know some things in order to confirm and explore your "personal application" of the word of God. It would show that sometimes our own personal application of some scriptures can be suspect and not entirely accurate.

Let's say that you do sin from time to time. The application of Jesus' words could say that - every time you sin you become a child of the devil and so now you are a child of the devil until you stop doing that particular thing. Then you become a son of God again. I believe that this theory is not supported by the word of God.

Would you say that this is what happens when believers that are in Christ do give in to the flesh? What do you believe happens to you when you do sin? Does the Holy Spirit leave you for a little bit - become "un-united" with Christ somehow or other?

Take a young Christian that comes in this forum and sees "that if you sin you are not born of God but you are a child of the devil". They are condemned and their faith could become shipwrecked by the wrong application of this.

I think these are good questions to explore. They could help many of us out and help us have more understanding of the love and grace of our loving Father towards us.

 

[KJV1611]

Why would Paul also give many warnings about sin and sinning, and lists of sins that would keep one from inheriting the Kingdom of God if one could not sin?

Because it's not expedient for us to be brought under that bondage. You sin and I sin and we all know it BUT what we call sin IS NOT sin for us because there is no law against it for us. Where there is no law sin is not imputted.

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes, they get messed up and my bad. I am sorry for offending, it was not intentional.

All is well brother...all of us have done it...shows the life of Christ in you for recognizing it...

 

[preacher4truth]

All is well brother...all of us have done it...shows the life of Christ in you for recognizing it...

Thanks my brother, I appreciate it...if you only knew where I am right now, and how much that means to me. Thank you.

 

[Grace777x70]

Thanks my brother, I appreciate it...if you only knew where I am right now, and how much that means to me. Thank you.

We are to encourage one another and we all need each other to grow up in the Lord together.

 

[Desertsrose]

Can you say something without rambling......?

Look...Paul said it best....Are you so foolish having begun in the spirit are you now made perfect by the flesh (works) WHO HATH BEWITCHED YOU....

Faith plus works = a false gospel with no power to save.....period!

Hi dcontroversal,

I have a question and it's a sincere question. I'm know I'm crazy to enter into this conversation, but here I go anyway. I'm dressed in my new hippopotamus-skinned coat so I'm protected from the fiery darts.

So okay, you mentioned Galatians when Paul was bringing correction because some of the Jews were wanting to return to following the law. They began well, but they were preaching justification via works of the Law, of which, Paul said it's impossible.

He goes on to remind them that the miracles they experienced was through hearing with faith and not the works of the Law. If one remains under the Law he's accursed. The Law is not of faith.

So here they are trusting in their circumcision for salvation. Paul says they began in the Spirit, but now they're reverting to going back under the Law again. Paul says to them, "You've fallen from grace." He tells them circumcision means nothing and uncircumcision means nothing, it's all about faith working through love.

So my question is to you and anyone else reading this, (please be kind) Paul is saying that these people who are reverting back to the Law have fallen from grace and are following another gospel. So they began right, they began with faith, but they fell from grace.

How do we explain this as an example of losing one's salvation? They had it, they began right, but then they chose to go back to their old ways of following a false gospel by going back under the Law?

SaveSave​

 

[JGIG]

LOL, yep.

Hi Zone! How are ya?!

-JGIG