The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?
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amen brother it dont mean that.
see a thousand books dont do u no good if u cant believe the one book that matters.
the problem i have with all the literary things u mentioned willie is that isnt the bible supposed to be God's breathed? so thats why its safe to say it means what it says and is self-interpreting.
for example all the prophecies about Jesus' first coming were literal.
see a thousand books dont do u no good if u cant believe the one book that matters.
the problem i have with all the literary things u mentioned willie is that isnt the bible supposed to be God's breathed? so thats why its safe to say it means what it says and is self-interpreting.
for example all the prophecies about Jesus' first coming were literal.
The mere fact that you can ask one (supposedly) simple question you've selected from the Bible, and if you give it just a few days, even the relatively small number of people here will return no less than a dozen different answers. Now, of course, those among us who feel they know all there is to know, will swear that only THEIR interpretation is the correct one.
That should tip you that someone is not reading deeply enough to allow the Bible to interpret itself. Instead, I would say they have snatched just enough phraseology to come up with their own limited and stunted personal interpretation.
Again, that alone, should raise flags of alarm in any rational person. It takes a heap more studying and awareness of the Bible than one of us claiming they have the inside scoop given to them by the Holy Spirit from their brief reading of a passage.
That should tip you that someone is not reading deeply enough to allow the Bible to interpret itself. Instead, I would say they have snatched just enough phraseology to come up with their own limited and stunted personal interpretation.
Again, that alone, should raise flags of alarm in any rational person. It takes a heap more studying and awareness of the Bible than one of us claiming they have the inside scoop given to them by the Holy Spirit from their brief reading of a passage.
Further, the prophets in general use a great deal of hyperbole and picturesque exaggeration in the manner of Oriental poetry. As the days of a tree shall be the days of my people (Isa. 65:22). Yet destroyed I the Amorite whose height was like the height of the cedars (Amos 2:9): statements which mean respectively ‘very old’ and ‘very tall.’ It goes right back to primitive poetry: The mountains skipped like rams... The earth trembled and shook (Ps. 114). Poets, even Western poets, will always continue to use it.
It includes the use of huge figures; a reign of forty years means a good long reign, and a kingdom of a thousand years means a good long kingdom. The poetry of Jesus has it to a superlative degree; camels are swallowed or passed through needles’ eyes; mountains are thrown into the depths of the sea; a man gets a tree-trunk stuck in his eye. People without sufficient imagination to understand this and to enjoy it ought to steer clear of Apocalypse language. Just as a witness has to understand ‘the nature of an oath,’ so a commentator ought to understand the nature of a poem, or even of a joke. Many who are deficient in a sense of poetry and a sense of humor have tried their hands on the Book of Revelation, and made a mess of it.
It includes the use of huge figures; a reign of forty years means a good long reign, and a kingdom of a thousand years means a good long kingdom. The poetry of Jesus has it to a superlative degree; camels are swallowed or passed through needles’ eyes; mountains are thrown into the depths of the sea; a man gets a tree-trunk stuck in his eye. People without sufficient imagination to understand this and to enjoy it ought to steer clear of Apocalypse language. Just as a witness has to understand ‘the nature of an oath,’ so a commentator ought to understand the nature of a poem, or even of a joke. Many who are deficient in a sense of poetry and a sense of humor have tried their hands on the Book of Revelation, and made a mess of it.
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By wording things that way, one can make it say anything they want to. Example....Instead of a Thousand Years, you it would be a good long kingdom or if you wanted it to be or needed it to be to make a point, you could say....WELL, the Bible tells that it was a good long Kingdom and I have it on authority that it was 600 years. OK>>>>.You just deleted from God's WORD.
A case in point is the The Amorites were as tall as cedar trees. You say a good long tree.......and then you could make the tree anything.....and that is just what happens...How tall does a cedar tree get...It depends on where it is at but it is capped at around 35 foot tall. But it could be any height between something taller than man and less than 35 ft.
On the other hand, we know that Goliath was somewhere around 12-13 foot tall because his bed was that tall....I guess we could put a average size man in the bed but he would have a hard time getting in and out. While we don't know the exact measurements of Goliath, we do know he was in the neighborhood in height as his bed was long.
Yet, In the first example, we are told by GOD that it was a 1000 years.
Concerning the last church age , my post is updated when The Lord allows free time to update the situation. Upon the Ecumenical movement vs the remenant church that holds to the Faith in Christ Jesus.
http://christianchat.com/conspiracy...9582-holding-truth-christ-befriend-world.html
Things are moving towards the end of thee adversary kingdom , as the stone in the book of Daniel , that was cut out without hands will strike the image. Almost all the puzzle pieces are in place. Persecution will occur, Hold on to what is true. It is in this time we are to examine ourselves , Get ourselves ready for the appearing of The Lord.
Shalom
http://christianchat.com/conspiracy...9582-holding-truth-christ-befriend-world.html
Things are moving towards the end of thee adversary kingdom , as the stone in the book of Daniel , that was cut out without hands will strike the image. Almost all the puzzle pieces are in place. Persecution will occur, Hold on to what is true. It is in this time we are to examine ourselves , Get ourselves ready for the appearing of The Lord.
Shalom
Hi Jackson123,
Try these passages about the day of the Lord. You will see similar language to the passage of Rev 6:12-17.
The events that are described happened long ago to different cities and nations.
Please read the context passage first, and then focus in on the selected verses.
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Jer 46:1-12, The day of the lord against Egypt, v 2, 10. Also, Ezek 30:1-5, 3.
Please also note the reference to Egypt being like rising flood waters. Waters are people, Rev 17:15.
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Isaiah 34:1-10, 6, 8, The day of the Lord against Idumea (Edom).
See especially v 4, "And the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and and as a falling fig from the fig tree."
This already happened years ago, now compare it to Rev 6:13-14.
The Isaiah passage is about Edom, the Rev passage is about 70 AD Jerusalem.
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Isaiah 13:1-22, 9, The day of the Lord against Babylon. Vs 9-13.
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Day of the Lord against 70 AD Jerusalem.
Joel 2:1-11, Confirmed by Peter on the day of Pentecost Acts 2:16-21.
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Also see Mt 24, Mk 13, Lk 21.
The 6th head "is" at John's time. Rev 17:10
Who is the 7th head? And how long does he live?
Who is the 8th head? The one who heads the divided Rome?
Which head was in power from the time from the fall of the Roman Empire until now? Who is the iron legs/toes right now?
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You have no answers?
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Here are the answers.
The 6th head at John's time was Caesar.
But the heads are not individual people, they represent the lifetime of the Roman Empire.
So when the 7th head dies, the beast, Roman Empire would be dead, ended. (476 AD)
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The 7th head, lives to the end of the Roman Empire.
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The 8th head is one of the 7, the Roman Empire that remains after the fall of the Empire, the RCC, the image of the Roman empire beast.
The "image" of the Roman Empire, with the "image" of Caesar the Bishop of Rome (BoR), at it's head.
The spirit of Rome remained the same (dragon), kill Israel and claim to be the true church/kingdom/Israel.
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So the Roman Empire image, has slaughtered true Israel since the fall of the Roman Empire.
He is the 8th head, the Bishop of Rome.
The iron legs/toes, that exist here today, is the RCC.
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The iron legs/toes of Dan. 2, do not end and then start again. They are solid to the end, mixed with clay at the toes, but the iron is solid with no breaks.
This is a major problem with pre-trib. They may say that the future Roman Empire is renewed or comes back at the trib, but it has been here all along. Dan. 2, the solid iron legs prove it.
Who is the 7th head? And how long does he live?
Who is the 8th head? The one who heads the divided Rome?
Which head was in power from the time from the fall of the Roman Empire until now? Who is the iron legs/toes right now?
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You have no answers?
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Here are the answers.
The 6th head at John's time was Caesar.
But the heads are not individual people, they represent the lifetime of the Roman Empire.
So when the 7th head dies, the beast, Roman Empire would be dead, ended. (476 AD)
--
The 7th head, lives to the end of the Roman Empire.
--
The 8th head is one of the 7, the Roman Empire that remains after the fall of the Empire, the RCC, the image of the Roman empire beast.
The "image" of the Roman Empire, with the "image" of Caesar the Bishop of Rome (BoR), at it's head.
The spirit of Rome remained the same (dragon), kill Israel and claim to be the true church/kingdom/Israel.
--
So the Roman Empire image, has slaughtered true Israel since the fall of the Roman Empire.
He is the 8th head, the Bishop of Rome.
The iron legs/toes, that exist here today, is the RCC.
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The iron legs/toes of Dan. 2, do not end and then start again. They are solid to the end, mixed with clay at the toes, but the iron is solid with no breaks.
This is a major problem with pre-trib. They may say that the future Roman Empire is renewed or comes back at the trib, but it has been here all along. Dan. 2, the solid iron legs prove it.
So you believe what john saw is what happen in the past, like what happen in agypt in Moses time?
[h=1]Revelation 1King James Version (KJV)[/h]1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
seem to me revelation ion talking about future.
must shortly come to past.
if john accept revelation in the '90 , A D 70 is not in the revelation.
[h=1]Revelation 1King James Version (KJV)[/h]1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
seem to me revelation ion talking about future.
must shortly come to past.
if john accept revelation in the '90 , A D 70 is not in the revelation.
Exactly! He did not write it in the 90s.
And, "Yes", St. John WAS speaking of things that were going to happen in the future........ The NEAR future, as he stated at both the beginning of his letter, and at the end. They were to "happen shortly" (soon). And they did. Actually, within one single generation (about 40 years), and some of those standing there, listening to him, witnessed them.
And, "Yes", St. John WAS speaking of things that were going to happen in the future........ The NEAR future, as he stated at both the beginning of his letter, and at the end. They were to "happen shortly" (soon). And they did. Actually, within one single generation (about 40 years), and some of those standing there, listening to him, witnessed them.
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Yes, we missed the 2nd coming, the 3rd coming, the 4th, and the 5th, etc.
Jesus came several times after the resurrection.
He came (appeared) to the apostles, came to people in the room, and on the road. He also came with clouds of armies at the dest of Jerusalem.
He came to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.
But these were not resurrection comings.
There are only 2 resurrection comings 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
Jesus and those at His coming.
Jesus was the 1st resurrection. We are still waiting for the 2nd resurrection coming. Then it is the end.
Jesus came several times after the resurrection.
He came (appeared) to the apostles, came to people in the room, and on the road. He also came with clouds of armies at the dest of Jerusalem.
He came to Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.
But these were not resurrection comings.
There are only 2 resurrection comings 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.
Jesus and those at His coming.
Jesus was the 1st resurrection. We are still waiting for the 2nd resurrection coming. Then it is the end.
revelation deals with the past, the present in Johns day, and the future events all the way to the end of the world.
so many people miss what John is told to write. and then miss things Like this dealing with past present and future for instance the beast of the earth, is made up of past, present and future Kings
revelation 17 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, ( past) and one is, ( present)and the other is not yet come; ( future) and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11And the beast that was, ( past) and is not, ( present)even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. ( future) 12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. ( future)
revelation does speak of things to shortly come, however that is not all that is there, you are seeing from revelation 4 the beginning when all creation was "very good" when the sea is like pure crystal before the throne, in the midst of the book you see before the throne a sea of glass mixed with fire, this is the judgement of God placed in the earth. and in the end of revelation, you see that there is no more sea. again Past, present and future.
john is told not only to write what will be in the future he is told to write what He has seen ( past) what is, ( present, and what is to come. future. revelation covers the entirety of creation from beginning to end. while the " purpose" of the book is to show the coming order of things, john is told
1 :19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, ( past) and the things which are,( present) and the things which shall be hereafter;( future)
the purpose is to show the near and also distant future, to do that God shows the past, present and then the future. its the whole story in a spiritual vision and connects to prophecy like no other book does. to often we see one scripture and then refuse to accept the rest to get the full picture. everything in revelation is not describing a future event, the collective nature ofthe book, reveals what is to come, what is written there is past, present and future. the future makes no sense without the past