PLEASE EXPOUND ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO AVOID CONFUSION
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY 2 COMINGS IN MATTHEW 24?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A MODEL THAT PLACES THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISING AT THE WHITE HORSES COMING TO EARTH THAT MAKES 1 Thessalonians 4 A lie ?
What do you mean that I have the dead in Christ rising after the gathering of Rev 14…during the GT. ?
Do you believe the Bible says THE GREAT TRIBULATION . I don’t see it in the authorized version . I see a reference to great tribulation. Anyway clarity before attempting to rightly divide the word as to what we are talking about will avoid a lot of unnecessary rabbit trails and frankly a lot of work. You may as well just state your views on the event before we agree or disagree on the context of scripture ?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY 2 COMINGS IN MATTHEW 24?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY A MODEL THAT PLACES THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISING AT THE WHITE HORSES COMING TO EARTH THAT MAKES 1 Thessalonians 4 A lie ?
What do you mean that I have the dead in Christ rising after the gathering of Rev 14…during the GT. ?
Do you believe the Bible says THE GREAT TRIBULATION . I don’t see it in the authorized version . I see a reference to great tribulation. Anyway clarity before attempting to rightly divide the word as to what we are talking about will avoid a lot of unnecessary rabbit trails and frankly a lot of work. You may as well just state your views on the event before we agree or disagree on the context of scripture ?
There is also a reference in Revelation about six or seven chapters in that shows and innumerable group that came out of the Great Tribulation.
Some of the phrases Are kinda for reference purposes.
Some take issue to the word "rapture", saying it's not found in the Bible, and I about halfway agree with them, but it's a lot easier to type then trying to say "the catching away by the Lord of the bride into the air." Even the word "pre-tribulation" has changed in meaning. We now see prewrath and pre-trib meaning two different things. Which leads us into some side debate on whether or not the Four Horsemen are just a cakewalk or if it's the wrath of God.
So yes the terminology is quite muddled.
The reason for myself being a pretribber ,as well as most pretribbers, is the multitude of versus that point directly to a pre-trib rapture, that remain unanswered ,after 40 Years of debate. If that doesn't produce red flags, on top of changing the Book of Revelation, then I would say there's no fear of God.
Now concerning "two comings" in Matthew 24 .
I can easily point you to them. Everybody sees the first one where it specifically says after the tribulation of those days there is a gathering in heaven by angels, (we will note not by Jesus), and that Gathering is in heaven not earth.
So right away we see that is not the Rapture of 1st Thessalonians 4.
Okay now for the second coming that we see in Matthew 24 if you skip down about verse 34 ,or so, (I'm working right now so I don't have my Bible), you will see that Jesus changes the setting to"before the Flood in".
So this is not after the tribulation/ judgment/ Wrath. Now in this setting before the tribulation, it says Jesus is coming, and immediately Jesus declares there will be one there will be two on a roof one will be taken and one left behind there will be two in a bed one will be taken one left behind. Then immediately Jesus declares to watch and be ready.
So that is another thing that I've never seen postribbers explain to me in 40 years.
Now if you want to know why do postribbers have the "dead in Christ " resurrected exactly backwards, look at 1st Thessalonians 4, and directly compare that with Revelation 14: 14.
You will see, that it is impossible for the dead to rise first if they are rising after the Gathering, during the tribulation, in Revelation 14: 14.
So there's way too many anomalies , to have a post-trib Rapture on the table.
But beyond all of that, the single most damaging thing, in my opinion, to suggest Jesus is not coming back pretrib, is the complete lack and omission of the Bride/ groom dynamic in any postribber declaration our teaching of eschatology. It flat out aint there, nor is any of the oretrib rapture verses.
The very heart Of Heaven, the next big event, the apex of the immediate future is the Gathering of the Bride by the groom. The Parting words of Jesus ,the last words of the Bible are;" the spirit and the bride say come, Maranatha, come Lord Jesus"!
you won't see that on the postribber PowerPoints (anywhere!).
Jesus commanded us to pray to escape the tribulation, and you will find that in the seven letters to the seven churches.
Ask yourself, "why would I pray that, knowing that I don't mean it, and disagree with the verses of the pretrib rapture"?
Anyway this ^ is about 1/4 of why i am here, forcing my opponent to go against the bible.
Most of it is an incredible no brainer.