FreeGrace2 said:
Pretribbers keep saying this but don't bring any evidence.
The evidence shows that Jesus resurrects and gathers believers at the Second Advent, and NONE of them are taken to heaven.
I am aware of your posts in the decent position.
"decent position"?
However, you are not allowing yourself to properly consider scriptures.
I am looking for evidence. There is none for pretrib, and much for a posttrib resurrection. btw, a recent poster said there is no rapture, and I do agree. By that, I mean there is no evidence that Jesus will take glorified believers to heaven.
There is evidence that at the Second Advent Jesus will gather (biblical word) all believers together for their glorified bodies.
Example; what does scripture mean where it says to the Philadelphia church........because you have a little faith I will keep you from the hour that shall come upon all the earth. That alone eliminates mid or post trib. elments....unless you can negate it's meaning and purpose.
No, you are just assuming it "means that". Consider Egypt and the 10 plagues. The Jews lived in Egypt but were protected from ALL the plagues. iow, they "were kept from the hour that shall come upon all Egypt".
Now please...take a minute and tell me what that means? There are many more like it to be answered....one at a time.
I've been able to answer every example thrown at me.
I am always mindful of scripture....some things are reserved for our father's knowledge only....and.....it shall be revealed in due time.
Have you read the verses that I've shared that show that there is a SINGLE resurrection for the saved and a single resurrection for the unsaved?
Acts 24:15 - and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be
a resurrection (singular) of both the righteous and the wicked. iow, one resurrection for the saved and one for the unsaved.
Rev 20:5 - (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.
iow, this resurrection, called the "first" is at the Second Advent and involves the saved. Though only Trib martyrs are mentioned, since there is ONLY ONE resurrection of the saved, this verse proves when that will be.
1 Cor 15:23 - But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
This verse is in the overall context of resurrection of the saved. It says that Jesus is "first fruits", meaning He is the first human to receive a glorified body. What follows is very instructive; THEN, "when He comes" (Second Advent, obviously) "those who belong to Him".
Who all belong to Christ? Every believer from Adam forward.
2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and
our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,
If you can prove that the red words cannot mean the Second Advent, and the blue words cannot mean the gathering of living believers at the resurrection, please do.
These verses are why I am totally convinced that there is no rapture trip to heaven at any time. The single resurrection of all saved people will occur when Jesus comes back at the Second Advent and sets up His Millennial Reign.
These verses are clear evidence for my belief.