None of your deal fits.
Mat 24 depicts vividly " 2 commings".
The second one mentioned is pretrib, half of a group raptured, topped off with "watch, wait, and be ready.
You need to reframe your above post to;
"Pretrib waits for Jesus as Jesus instructed, but us postribbers know better, we are looking for, and waiting earnestly for ,the devil man. Many of us have our caves picked out to hide in. We are so brave"
That is what is going on.
You guys reject any idea of waiting for Jesus or being ready.
But it is not stopping you from mocking and despising those of us obedient to Jesus command.
Do a study on the command to watch, wait, and be ready.
It will shock you how your teachers have duped you guys.
"Pretrib waits for Jesus as Jesus instructed, "
you said,
BUT I BELIEVE THAT POST TRIBBERS also
understand how we are to always be watching and waiting and ready BECAUSE WE COULD DIE AT ANY SECOND. But that has BEEN TRUTH for thousands of years. It has been truth for all generations.
It isn't written for 'the last generation' only. TRUE, we do need to be more so reminded, BUT that watching and waiting and being ready
ISN'T because of a PRE TRIB RAPTURE,
but to be especially WATCHFUL in the end times as more and more FALSE prophets will be around seeking to deceive us.
So no one has 'duped' us into not walking rightly at all times, it is just that no one has duped us into thinking it is because JESUS comes for the church. Waiting and watching and being ready
REALLY ISN'T DIFFERENT THAN the DEATH watch, if you think about it. One second you are in the flesh
and the next you are with the Lord. DEATH is a PRE TRIB RAPTURE of sorts. It is the PRE TRIBBERS that EVEN SEEK to change the meanings of those words. BUT
There is only ONE point for pre trib.
ESCAPING TRIBULATION AND DEATH. They do not wish to RUN the course set before them. BUT POSTS
know God is in charge. We know God SENDS the Adversary. We know God knows tribulation is good for us. We know God doesn't care about death of the flesh body. We know God recompenses. We know God didn't let Jesus 'by pass' what was set before Him. We know JESUS SAW THE JOY to come once the work was done. We know God never changes. We know God is not a respecter of persons. We know we have been given instructions on how to handle the Tempter. We are told what to do when
'YE SHALL SEE'. We are told 'NOT TO TAKE THE MARK'. We are told what happens if we do. We are told some will be given up for a ten day trial. We are told we are to endure to the end. We are told to put on armor to withstand the fiery darts of Satan. We know Revelation was "
to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass", AND NOT TO THOSE WHO WOULD CONVERT BECAUSE OF A 'SIGN'. aka the church being raptured. We know that things seen, aren't hoped for. We know an evil generation seeks a sign. We know death then judgment, not judgment then death. We know the 'alive and remaining' can only take place one time.
And those are just a FEW of the things that pre trib
disregard.
But the 'rapture' of the church,
is simply impossible because it voids the words of God. It really is that simple.
So what we do is KEEP PUTTING FORTH GODS WORDS so anyone 'seeking and searching' wont be taken.
TO CONTINUE your sentence
"but us postribbers know better, we are looking for, and waiting earnestly for ,the devil man. Many of us have our caves picked out to hide in. We are so brave"
IT isn't that we are so BRAVE, it is we are so WILLING.
WE HAVE FAITH. WE KNOW AND BELIEVE IN GODS PLAN OF SALVATION.
We HAVE PUT ON THE ARMOR TO WITHSTAND the fiery darts.
We don't fear DEATH OF THE FLESH.
We believe what is written in that GOD has set before us such good things
that what happens in this life can't be compared to what we will receive in the next. ....the joy that was set before Him
1Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed,
and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples:
and they are written for our admonition, UPON WHOM THE ENDS OF THE WORLD ARE COME
BUT PRE TRIB SAYS
THERE WILL BE NO 'ENDS OF THE WORLD TO COME UPON ANYONE OF THE CHURCH' AT ALL.
Does that mean that NOTHING IN THE BOOK OF CORINTHIANS IS TO/FOR THE CHURCH? OR DO WE NOW START TO QUESTION EVERY VERSE AND DIVIDE IT TO ITS PROPER PEOPLE?
12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man:
but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape,
THAT YE MAY BE ABLE TO BEAR IT.
James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights,
with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
PRE TRIBS DON'T/WON'T/CAN'T seem to SEE that for there to be a pre trib rapture this "
with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning" cant be true.
WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH. PRE TRIB IS IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THAT VERSE. PRE TRIB MAKES VOID THAT VERY VERSE. IF THAT WERE THE ONLY ONE, IT WOULD BE ENOUGH.