The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

[Absolutely]

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4

Rebellion and a man of sin reveal than rapture
So post trib

Reveal means rapture can happen a day later.
Pretrib rapture fits perfectly.

You guys are adding "seated, in power, and been there 7 years"

So you guys ignore or are unaware of "revealed" definition.
Websters;
REVE'ALED, participle passive Disclosed; discovered; made known; laid open.

The ac DISCOVERED, THEN the rapture.

You guys are actually push pretrib rapture all the time and are oblivious

 

[Absolutely]

Rebellion than confirmed by Man of sin. man of sin is other word of rebelion

Yes
That fits pretrib rapture.

 

[Absolutely]

John 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

But then he knows what the 7 thunders uttered and nobody else does
He knows who the ac is and nobody else does.

 

[Absolutely]

HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DOES ANYONE NEED ON WHERE CHRIST STANDS ON THE SUBJECT OF GATHERING ANYONE OUT OF THE WORLD?

John 17:15 Not I do ask that You should take them out of the world but that you should keep them from evil.


HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DOES ANYONE NEED THAT GOD KEEPS US FROM EVIL WHILE WE REMAIN RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.


5083. téreó ►
Strong's Concordance
téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
Usage: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.
HELPS Word-studies
5083 tēréō (from tēros, "a guard") – properly, maintain (preserve); (figuratively) spiritually guard (watch), keep intact.

Omit lot and you push another dimension outside end times.

Not biblical.

But postrib talking points

 

[kleronomos]

What does the day of the Lord, the day of vengeance, the 2nd coming look like?


2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[kleronomos]

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and HIS NAME ONE

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

[Absolutely]

BUT with the Feminine version meaning

647. apostasion ►
Strong's Concordance
apostasion: a forsaking, spec. (bill of) divorce
Original Word: ἀποστάσιον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: apostasion
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-os-tas'-ee-on)
Definition: a forsaking, (bill of) divorce
Usage: repudiation, divorce; met: bill of divorce.

The only FALLING AWAY GOD would be concerned with would be those FALLING AWAY from HIM OR as you like DEPARTING FROM HIM.



2Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

SUBJECT - the coming of Christ AND when He will be gathering us. SIMPLE.

THE WARNING - that day is not present don't be troubled

WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK OUT FOR -

it is either going to be a departing from faith

or

a departing from the earth

What would this verse most likely be saying? What OTHER clues are there?

The OVERCOMER sent to overcome will be revealed. The man of sin. The one who tempted Adam and Eve and Christ. The one the whole world will worship after.

depart from faith? or depart from the earth?

We are told BOTH OF THOSE THINGS MUST TAKE PLACE BEFORE CHRIST COMES AND GATHERS.

departing from the faith because of lying signs and wonders (so good at the deception the time had to be shortened)

or

departing from the earth WITHOUT BEING GATHERED AND WITHOUT THE LORD COMING

because the Lord coming and our being gathered comes AFTER so it can't come before. OR ELSE THE COMING AFTER AND GATHERING IS MADE INTO A LIE.


WHO WOULD TRY AND MAKE THE WORDS OF GOD IT INTO A LIE?

Lets see:
Rebellion
Then ac revealed or " made aware of"
Then rapture Immediately following.

What were you saying about lying?

You guys are LAYING OUT a pretrib rapture.

But are calling pretrib position a lie.

Hmmmm
That is weird.

See ,that's what happens when you guys BASE eschatology on mental conjecture.

Postrib rapture is poorly thought out

 

[Absolutely]

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and HIS NAME ONE

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

What concept do you think you are addressing in those verses?

 

[Absolutely]

What does the day of the Lord, the day of vengeance, the 2nd coming look like?


2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

it is interesting that when it suits you, you try to incorporate the setting.

Good try sir.

Now what does "LIKE MANNER" Look like?
Acts 1
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Postrib doctrine COMPLETELY CHANGES THAT.
( And no red flags by your teachers at all)
BIZARRE.

 

[Absolutely]

The Hebrew Word for Apostasy and meaning:

rebellious

Apostasy in Judaism refers to the rejection of Judaism and possible conversion to another religion by a Jew. The term apostasy is derived from Ancient Greek: ἀποστάτης, meaning "rebellious" (Hebrew: מורד.)


Jude uses:

The term apostasy comes from the Greek word apostasia ("ἀποστασία") meaning "defection", "departure", "revolt", or "rebellion". It has been described as "a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christianity.



Paul uses:

The term apostasy comes from the Greek word apostasia ("ἀποστασία") meaning "defection", "departure", "revolt", or "rebellion". It has been described as "a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christianity.



Both Paul and Jude use the Same Word in Greek [ἀποστάτης] that means the Same as the Hebrew Word [מורד] which BOTH mean all throughout the Holy Bible:
"defection", "departure", "revolt", or "rebellion". It has been described as "a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, God!

what does "revealed" mean.?

" unveiled" maybe?

What do you guys REFRAME IT INTO?
SEATED?
IN POWER?
IN POWER FOR 7 YEARS?
3.5 YEARS?

Total postribber reframe.

Revealed.
It only says REVEALED.

No matter what you guys do to change it, it will always be "revealed"

Yet another postrib rapture brick wall.

 

[Absolutely]

3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4

Rebellion and a man of sin reveal than rapture
So post trib

.....and deception means what?
Would changing the meaning of "revealed" be such deception we see in postrib rapture doctrine.

 

[kleronomos]

Obadiah 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16 For as ye have drunk upon My holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.

20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.

 

[Absolutely]

ag
Once again you screw up your post. All the above is from me, but it appears to have come from you. Formatting posts isn't that difficult.


You have no idea what I do. But you are an expert at presumption, assumptions and guessing.


Look in mirror and repeat this.

[QUTOE]You don't know any of the pretrib verses or care to look at them.

If I don't, it's only because you keep refusing to share them. Even though I've been begging for them.


You just told me what I do: "you skip them and nevef look at them". You do what you claim others do.[/QUOTE]
"""Once again you screw up your post. All the above is from me, but it appears to have come from you. Formatting posts isn't that difficult."""
Ok
Sorry bout that
I am on my phone
It just does that and other weird stuff.
I try to edit but sometimes it gets away from me.

I see it later and think" boy is that going to get me his wrath"
Lol
I am not really concerned because no matter what i post, you are going to recklessly deny it.
Nit pick it into oblivion.

 

[kleronomos]

FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T A CLUE as to who GOD IS and what HIS PLAN is and how HE WORKS

Isaiah 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

Isaiah 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

Isaiah 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

WHO IS GODS INHERITANCE? NOT 'THE CHURCH'

 

[Absolutely]

If I don't, it's only because you keep refusing to share them. Even though I've been begging for them.


You just told me what I do: "you skip them and nevef look at them". You do what you claim others do.

"""Once again you screw up your post. All the above is from me, but it appears to have come from you. Formatting posts isn't that difficult."""
Ok
Sorry bout that
I am on my phone
It just does that and other weird stuff.
I try to edit but sometimes it gets away from me.

I see it later and think" boy is that going to get me his wrath"
Lol
I am not really concerned because no matter what i post, you are going to recklessly deny it.
Nit pick it into oblivion.[/QUOTE]
lol
It did it again
Too funny.

 

[Absolutely]

FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T A CLUE as to who GOD IS and what HIS PLAN is and how HE WORKS

Isaiah 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

Isaiah 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

Isaiah 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

WHO IS GODS INHERITANCE? NOT 'THE CHURCH'

Oh we can see you are everything you think you are.
All knowing huh?

 

[kleronomos]

I am going to go through and dispel arguments I have heard about why 'pre trib' has to be truth by what God has said and done in the past to see if what is being said is the truth or not.

1. "GOD would never let 'the body of Christ' suffer tribulation".

Let's see if He has done so before so we can know whether that argument is a truth or not?

Does God give His people over to others for chastisement? Is the 'church' a part of Gods people? YES. Did the descriptions of the 'churches' warrant some chastisement/persecution/testing? Most definitely YES.

Jeremiah 12:1 Righteous art thou, O LORD, when I plead with thee: yet let me talk with thee of Thy judgments: Wherefore doth the way of the wicked prosper? wherefore are all they happy that deal very treacherously?

2 Thou hast planted them, yea, they have taken root: they grow, yea, they bring forth fruit: Thou art near in their mouth, and far from their reins.

3 But thou, O LORD, knowest me: Thou hast seen me, and tried mine heart toward thee pull them out like sheep for the slaughter, and prepare them for the day of slaughter.

4 How long shall the land mourn, and the herbs of every field wither, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein? the beasts are consumed, and the birds because they said He shall not see our last end.

5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

6 For even thy brethren, and the house of thy father, even they have dealt treacherously with thee; yea, they have called a multitude after thee: believe them not, though they speak fair words unto thee.

7 I have forsaken mine house, I have left mine heritage I have given the dearly beloved of My soul into the hand of her enemies.

8 Mine heritage is unto me as a lion in the forest it crieth out against me: therefore have I hated it.

9 Mine heritage is unto me as a speckled bird, the birds round about are against her; come ye, assemble all the beasts of the field, come to devour.

10 Many pastors have destroyed My vineyard, they have trodden My portion under foot, they have made My pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

11 They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto Me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.

12 The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land no flesh shall have peace.

13 They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.

14 Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused MY PEOPLE ISRAEL to inherit Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them.

15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return and have compassion on them and will bring them again, every man to his heritage and every man to his land.

16 And it shall come to pass if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to swear by My name, the Lord liveth, as they taught my people to swear by Baal then shall THEY BE BUILT IN THE MIDST OF MY PEOPLE.

Jeremiah 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation saith the LORD.


So yes, God does allow His people, His prophets and His only Begotten to fall into the hands of the enemy. That is a truth about why a PRE TRIB RAPTURE GOES AGAINST HOW GOD WORKS AND WHAT THE WORDS OF GOD TELL US.

 

[kleronomos]

How many times is 'the church' referred to as GOD's People, His inheritance, His portion?

Hopefully some of our PRE TRIB APOSTASY preachers will answer.

 

[Absolutely]

I am going to go through and dispel arguments I have heard about why 'pre trib' has to be truth by what God has said and done in the past to see if what is being said is the truth or not.

1. "GOD would never let 'the body of Christ' suffer tribulation".

Let's see if He has done so before so we can know whether that argument is a truth or not?

Does God give His people over to others for chastisement? Is the 'church' a part of Gods people? YES. Did the descriptions of the 'churches' warrant some chastisement/persecution/testing? Most definitely YES.

Jeremiah 12:1 Righteous art thou, O LORD, when I plead with thee: yet let me talk with thee of Thy judgments: Wherefore doth the way of the wicked prosper? wherefore are all they happy that deal very treacherously?

2 Thou hast planted them, yea, they have taken root: they grow, yea, they bring forth fruit: Thou art near in their mouth, and far from their reins.

3 But thou, O LORD, knowest me: Thou hast seen me, and tried mine heart toward thee pull them out like sheep for the slaughter, and prepare them for the day of slaughter.

4 How long shall the land mourn, and the herbs of every field wither, for the wickedness of them that dwell therein? the beasts are consumed, and the birds because they said He shall not see our last end.

5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

6 For even thy brethren, and the house of thy father, even they have dealt treacherously with thee; yea, they have called a multitude after thee: believe them not, though they speak fair words unto thee.

7 I have forsaken mine house, I have left mine heritage I have given the dearly beloved of My soul into the hand of her enemies.

8 Mine heritage is unto me as a lion in the forest it crieth out against me: therefore have I hated it.

9 Mine heritage is unto me as a speckled bird, the birds round about are against her; come ye, assemble all the beasts of the field, come to devour.

10 Many pastors have destroyed My vineyard, they have trodden My portion under foot, they have made My pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

11 They have made it desolate, and being desolate it mourneth unto Me; the whole land is made desolate, because no man layeth it to heart.

12 The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land no flesh shall have peace.

13 They have sown wheat, but shall reap thorns they have put themselves to pain, but shall not profit and they shall be ashamed of your revenues because of the fierce anger of the LORD.

14 Thus saith the LORD against all mine evil neighbours, that touch the inheritance which I have caused MY PEOPLE ISRAEL to inherit Behold, I will pluck them out of their land, and pluck out the house of Judah from among them.

15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return and have compassion on them and will bring them again, every man to his heritage and every man to his land.

16 And it shall come to pass if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to swear by My name, the Lord liveth, as they taught my people to swear by Baal then shall THEY BE BUILT IN THE MIDST OF MY PEOPLE.

Jeremiah 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation saith the LORD.


So yes, God does allow His people, His prophets and His only Begotten to fall into the hands of the enemy. That is a truth about why a PRE TRIB RAPTURE GOES AGAINST HOW GOD WORKS AND WHAT THE WORDS OF GOD TELL US.

Lot
Noah
Baby Jesus.
All escaped as well as all christians from jerusalem in ad 70.

Again, you are on the wrong track

 

[Absolutely]

How many times is 'the church' referred to as GOD's People, His inheritance, His portion?

Hopefully some of our PRE TRIB APOSTASY preachers will answer.

maybe tell us ignorants the "correct" answer.