The GAP Theory

[Rondonmon]

Sorry to say, but you are in error about that Genesis 1:2 "without form, and void" meaning per the Hebrew tohu va bohu (See OT:8414 and OT:922). So you have not flushed out anything involving that Scripture, so I will not tolerate your fibbing that is clearly in order to deceive the Biblically unlearned here.

When you get to heaven you will now instantaneously, Ron was correct, and being correct is al I care about. I have been called unto prophecy for 40 plus years my friend, the biggest flaw I see is people do not know how to "connect the dots", they go into these long winded diatribes with grand thesis but never do the simple things correctly, add everything up and make them match up.

Dan. 7:11 says the Beats BODY is DESTROYED and he is cast into hell.

Rev. 19:20 says the Beast and False Prophet are CAST ALIVE into hell.

God never contradicts Himself, so something is amiss here and no word search or deciphering is going to straighten this seeming contradiction out.

So, what gives? Well Daniel was very clear, this Beast is a MAN, and God's holy word says all men must die and be judged. So, why does Rev. 19 seemingly change it up? ANSWER, it changes nothing, what John via God has told us here is these two men, unlike everyone else, will never REST in their graves, our spirits are eternal, Daniel is not "DEAD" he sleeps just like Dan. 12:1-2 says, go read it, they call the Dead in God (Christ) sleeping. Those who are condemned at the 2nd Resurrection, after Jesus 1000 year reign are going to be RESTING in their graves, but they will be judged after the 1000 years, but not the Anti-Christ and False Prophet, they will be taken by Angels and CAST ALIVE (never allowed to rest) into hellfire.

I do this all day long, it is my job. There is no such thing as a 144,000, its a CODE just like the 10 Virgins is a CODE. Why can men see one but not the other? 10 = Completeness, so only half the Church are going to make the Wedding call (5 of 10 Virgins who are not ALL Female by the way). Likewise, the 144,000 are not all MALES, they are 5 million Jewish peoples who repent, or the 1/3 who Zech. 13:8-9 says repent, since 15 million Jews are alive today that = 5 million Jews, not 144,000 which is an easy code to solve. 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents, which will be 5 million Jews.

This is how you solve problems like God/Jesus talking in parables or giving us info in codes, you solve the codes. That is what I did via creation, the Universe is 13.7 billion years old and the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the sad thing is many, many young people will wind up in hell because people failed to tell them the truth, and because they could not buy the untruth, they will not hear the testimony about Jesus either.

 

[DavyP]

When you get to heaven you will now instantaneously, Ron was correct, and being correct is al I care about. I have been called unto prophecy for 40 plus years my friend, the biggest flaw I see is people do not know how to "connect the dots", they go into these long winded diatribes with grand thesis but never do the simple things correctly, add everything up and make them match up.
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Yeah, I've heard all those type of claims before, nothing new for braggers that are looking for status among God's people when God did not call them. Christ's elect don't brag about how smart they are or how correct they 'feel' they are, or how long they've studied or served God.

 

[Rondonmon]

Yeah, I've heard all those type of claims before, nothing new for braggers that are looking for status among God's people when God did not call them. Christ's elect don't brag about how smart they are or how correct they 'feel' they are, or how long they've studied or served God.

Everyone is a braggart when their knowledge, that comes from God via prayer and study overrides other peoples false assumptions. Do you understand people laugh at young earthers?

God is shaking His head now, saying why can't my people add 2 + 2.

Keep thinking 2 + 2 = 3.

 

[Kroogz]

Well, for those given to understand it, yeah. I know all of us will understand it when Lord Jesus returns. But for those who do understand, I see it as a gift from God, like that pastor once said to me when I asked him about it that, "no man showed that to me, God showed it to me", and he said it twice to me staring right at me with a stern face.

You are doing a great job at laying it out. Thanks.

 

[Clayman]

Well, for those given to understand it, yeah. I know all of us will understand it when Lord Jesus returns. But for those who do understand, I see it as a gift from God, like that pastor once said to me when I asked him about it that, "no man showed that to me, God showed it to me", and he said it twice to me staring right at me with a stern face.

Don't you find it even a little coincidental that God showed no man the Gap and billions of years, until the last couple hundred of years, and now that evolution is taught in schools and has become mainstream, now God is showing people the gap, Are you sure peoples bias for example with evolution is not from man. Even Darwin said he was amazed that people readily took up his theory on evolution!

 

[DavyP]

Don't you find it even a little coincidental that God showed no man the Gap and billions of years, until the last couple hundred of years, and now that evolution is taught in schools and has become mainstream, now God is showing people the gap, Are you sure peoples bias for example with evolution is not from man. Even Darwin said he was amazed that people readily took up his theory on evolution!

When Darwin's theories first came out suggesting evolution of the species, still not everyone believed it, and still today, there are many that don't believe it, even though public schools wrongly teach evolution. Pseudo-science comes wrapped in multi-colored packages, so to speak. Only the gullible are used to just accepting things based on the beautiful package.

I think there's a certain amount of rebellion by school kids today because they instinctively know there's a certain amount of propaganda included in the school curriculum, the theory of evolution being one of those ideas.

The following is from ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen's 1958 book The Naked Communist, from his list of 45 strategic goals Soviet Russia developed for subversive covert takeover of the United States...

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for
socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the
curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party
line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs
or organizations which are under Communist attack.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as
“normal, natural, healthy.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation
of church and state.”

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as
selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate,
old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control
over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare
programs, mental health clinics, etc.

40. Discredit the family as an institution.
Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative
influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are
legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and
special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to
solve economic, political or social problems.

 

[DavyP]

Well yes that is also what I'm saying and also think.

I think that Lucifer had not rebelled yet and that in the garden of Eden when lucifer was just created, he was perfect in his ways, had wisdom and beauty.

This ties in with scripture verse Gen 1:31 Then God saw everything that He made, and indeed it was very good (including Lucifer who was or is a part of our creation)

That will not work, nor does your attempted Gen.1:31 association work simply because God spoke that about the renewing of this earth for this 2nd world earth age we are in today. (see the Psalms 104 Scripture about God laying the foundation of the earth, which is actually for this 2nd world earth age, a renewal after He destroyed the 1st world earth age when Lucifer originally rebelled).

So understanding that when Satan as "that old serpent" in God's Garden of Eden tempts Eve to disobey God's commandment, it means Satan had already 'fallen' at some time prior to that. It is impossible for Lucifer in his original created perfect state to do that tempting of Eve.

And that point is so... obvious, it's silly for anyone to suggest he was still perfect in following God when doing that! Trying to push such a falsehood as that reveals something, in case you didn't know. It reveals that you have an agenda outside of God's Word that you are following.

 

[Clayman]

That will not work, nor does your attempted Gen.1:31 association work simply because God spoke that about the renewing of this earth for this 2nd world earth age we are in today. (see the Psalms 104 Scripture about God laying the foundation of the earth, which is actually for this 2nd world earth age, a renewal after He destroyed the 1st world earth age when Lucifer originally rebelled).

So understanding that when Satan as "that old serpent" in God's Garden of Eden tempts Eve to disobey God's commandment, it means Satan had already 'fallen' at some time prior to that. It is impossible for Lucifer in his original created perfect state to do that tempting of Eve.

And that point is so... obvious, it's silly for anyone to suggest he was still perfect in following God when doing that! Trying to push such a falsehood as that reveals something, in case you didn't know. It reveals that you have an agenda outside of God's Word that you are following.

It reveals that you have an agenda outside of God's Word that you are following.

The problem or agenda I have in disagreeing with you, is that I simply refuse to go outside or add to God's Word.

If you have a good reason then I would consider it. But.

But to me God's Word clearly states by one man sin entered the world.
You state that by one Satan sin entered the world.

To me Gods Word clearly states that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
You state that in the beginning we have the second beginning as the first creation was marred by Satan and sin.

To me Gods Word clearly states that at the end of the creation week everything was very good
You state that it wasn't very good, for its only the second creation that is very good, not the first. (this I find confusing)

To me you have a problem with being able to rationale Satan being in the garden of Eden deceiving Eve and leading Adam to sin, without having him as the sole cause of all our problems and curse.

Because you are blaming Satan for our fall, to me you then have to create a whole new imaginary scenario so he can be already evil and fallen and to thwart God's plan where we are living in the garden in perpetual bliss, even though we know God had already planned for us to fall. He wants us to know the consequence of sin, So we can determine or genuinely choose to forsake sin and choose God, in the resurrection.

Anyway I'm an alcoholic who does not drink anymore, people offer me drinks and get annoyed when I refuse, My brother will offer me a drink so we can party like the good ole days and I refuse, he is being like Satan with Eve and tempting me, even though his motives are selfish, I cant help but wonder if hes testing me to see if I will always refuse or not, the longer the game goes on I wonder if his respect increases.

To me my brother is not sinning by being nice and offering me a free drink, yet it is definitely not for my benefit especially if I succumb to the offers, I am sure my wife might blame him if I fall off the wagon.

Yet if i drink the drink my wife should lay the blame on me, and not my brother.
and If Adam eats the fruit don't be like the feeble wife and make excuses by blaming the serpent or Satan blame Adam. Just as God did.

For by one man sin entered the World(not snuck into it from another creation) and death through sin.

So I don't see Satan had to have technically sinned to test Adam and Eve, although his motivation needed checked, which I think God did try and do, I won't give verses and reasoning as no doubt you have already cemented me to the false agenda list for disagreeing with you.

People blame Satan for our fall, and they still blame Satan for all the problems in the world today,
And yes I obviously don't blame Satan for our fall, although he had a role in it for sure, and we can see a hint of his pride forming, and even today I don't blame Satan when people sin, I blame the sinner.

To me the Word of God is a jigsaw puzzle, there is nothing wrong with trying to rationale why Satan wanted to see If Eve would eat the fruit, yet if a certain conclusion looks good, and then we see that it stops other puzzle pieces fitting into the picture, then Ill just try a different rationale and keep trying to make all the pieces fit to form a beautiful picture.

And this isn't even the biggest problem I have with Satan already a fallen sinner and in the garden, the biggest problem I have with it is that it impugns the character of God. Which is a whole other conversation.