The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda

[Stunnedbygrace]

I didn't understand either why to believe a gap of time not explained out somewhere in scripture has to mean you believe in evolution. There was a great gap of time in Isaiah from where Jesus stopped reading and the next verse about Gods' wrath. It's still gapping as a matter of fact. Yet it doesn't specifically say there is a gap of time in there. We know it now because...there's BEEN a gap of time.There could be time gaps in other places as well.

My big question is why or how did God create a place that was covered by darkness? The only way for Light Himself to create a place of darkness would be to cast out of His Presence/turn away.

 

[LaurenTM]

And the earth became formless and void. Became or was? each side of the argument can make a solid case for either one to be used. I think "became" has a better case than "was."

Here is an example. Same word as 'was' in Gen 1:2.

Gen 19:26~~New American Standard Bible
But his wife, from behind him, looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

I'm actually not too sure what you and I are discussing here?

 

[eph610]

There were no men. Jeremiah 4 points that out. It was satan,as the head(like Adam to us) of all the angels. Hence we have always known the angels as elect or fallen.......they fell before we were created.

death reigned from Adam for the human race.

Dude love ya but put down the Dake's mistake and take God at his word.

 

[Gr8grace]

I'm actually not too sure what you and I are discussing here?

Sorry. I ramble sometimes.

 

[Gr8grace]

Dude love ya but put down the Dake's mistake and take God at his word.

Who is Dake?

 

[eph610]

Who is Dake?

Finnis Dake...google him, he was in the same mind set as Chalmers and Scofield regarding GAP....
His Book and Bible were later called the Dake mistake

It might also be of interesting note that the Book of Enoch also refutes GAP theory.

But then again the Book of Enoch is not part of Holy Cannon either...

 

[Gr8grace]

Finnis Dake...google him, he was in the same mind set as Chalmers and Scofield regarding GAP....
His Book and Bible were later called the Dake mistake

It might also be of interesting note that the Book of Enoch also refutes GAP theory.

But then again the Book of Enoch is not part of Holy Cannon either...

I just googled him. Just from the first few sentences of what I read, I wouldn't line up with him.

 

[Bladerunner]

OK,,,,, 1... the Gap theory originated because of a different definition of the word "was". the Gap theorist believe that its definition should be "had become". Appears to me they are grasping at false straws.

We Know that the Angels saw the earth Created and we know that Satan fell prior to Genesis 3:

The earth (land) was created in Genesis 9. In Genesis 1: 2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Notice the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. So it was Dark (and we know the Dark was a special kind of dark), the Earth(land) was without form and had nothing on it (in fact it was not there as we find out later). All that was there is water (the Deep which is later called the sea).

As far as evolution is concernedone has to die to evolve). In other words, our bodies as all other life forms bodies are in complete harmony. One thing out of wack and you die. How do you evolve if you are dead?

As far as dinosaurs are concerned. The Congo is the last place on earth besides the "sea" where dinosaurs could live without being seen. The natives in this area speak of a giant monster(s) killing their people, etc. So far, the forest has refused to give up any information to the truth of these stories.

remember all land animals with the exception of those on the ARK died during Noah's Flood. If there are any dinosaurs left they would be in, around the sea or water. Oh, one other idea to ponder.. Up until the flood, God tells us that all live was a herbivore (plant eating). Yes, including the lion. Where did T-Rex come from? Time to read up on Genesis 5..

My opinion about evolution is that it is a lie that people in power tell us. Why? Do you really have to ask?

Like all lies, including those told about Genesis 1, it is calculated strategy to separated us from Jesus Christ. You might ask but I hope you don't have to: (Who would do such a thing)? Like someone once said " if you do not believe in Genesis 1:1 then you got bigger problems to worry about than a Gap theory.

 

[eph610]

I just googled him. Just from the first few sentences of what I read, I wouldn't line up with him.

Yet he helped push the GAP theory....

 

[Gr8grace]

Yet he helped push the GAP theory....

I don't care. From the few sentences I read from him, I would stay clear.

 

[Bladerunner]

Finnis Dake...google him, he was in the same mind set as Chalmers and Scofield regarding GAP....
His Book and Bible were later called the Dake mistake

It might also be of interesting note that the Book of Enoch also refutes GAP theory.

But then again the Book of Enoch is not part of Holy Cannon either...

I thought the Gap theory did not appear until the late 1800's or early 1900's????? A little late for the Book of Enoch

 

[DP]

Wasn't the Genesis Gap Theory formulated as a rebuttal of Darwin? I can't find any evidence of it being taught prior to the 19th century.

How old it is as a theory is not the point. The point is propagandanists who try to say the Gap idea involves man's theory of evolution when it does not.

 

[DP]

Well... this OP certainly does nothing to encourage discussion, as it disparages one interpretation of Scripture in favour of another, as though the first is wrong and the second 'unquestionably' correct. With as much (and I think far more) scriptural support, young-earth creation can be argued convincingly. Does that mean that belief in still-living dinosaurs is an intrinsic part of the YEC viewpoint? Not at all. However, such a belief is consistent with a YE view, and with scientific data. If you want to promote an interpretation, do it on its own merits, not at the expense of another view. I'd guess you've been listening to too much political rhetoric and too little sound debate.

Answer me one single question, DP: how does DNA, which by scientific study is estimated to last no longer than about 10,000 years, still exist in T.rex soft tissues which, according to oec and evolutionary propaganda, are about 65 million years old?

My OP disparages nothing except 'propagandists' who say the Gap idea is about evolution when it is not. No one here, nor or any other thread involving this subject can, nor has proven, the Gap idea involves man's theory of evolution. Even by saying it started as a idea during the time of Darwin proves absolutely nothing.

 

[DP]

When you read Genesis chapter 1,it states flat out that God made everything straight out,and not by an evolutionary process.

Why would God use evolution to bring about life forms,when He can create things as a whole,and God created all things in their mature adult form,and then they multiplied from there.

Why do you make such a huge error with wrongly assuming the Gap idea involves the theory of evolution when it doesn't?

I agree with God's Word (and what you said) about God's statement of His creation at Genesis 1:1. That's when He created a PERFECT earth, the time BEFORE Satan rebelled against Him. How does that involve evolution theory? Can you prove what you say?

 

[DP]

The GAP theory is false teaching from Chalmers, Scofield and Dake.

GAP has a serious flaw, if God ended the Pre-Adamic World, then what happened to all the people in the GAP, why would God not save them as he did Adam's race?

Besides, Jesus told Paul who told us that nevertheless Death reigned from Adam to Moses, not between Gen 1.1-2

Why would you automatically assume God created a flesh mankind in the world that was before Satan rebelled against Him???

You folks here simply reveal you don't even understand the Gap theory which you are bad mouthing. Ignorance that is.

 

[DP]

I've never looked into this so called gap theory Thing, though Genesis wasn't written to be a scientific or physics or even a time zone. A day in God realm isn't the same time frame as in man realm, the statement, and there was morning and evening doesn't say there was no light, though a morning and evening can have no light as we understand what we call a full day but it can mean as well there was light present the whole time for there was a morning and evening before our sun was created on the forth day and our sun is how we determine a full 24 hour day.

As far as evolution goes it's simply a word to discribe a theory that is looking in the wrong area like once man thought the world was flat. Give it some time and surely this theory of evolution will evolve.

Man's theory of evolution is completely ANTI-CREATION. There's no hiding that fact.

So why assume the Gap idea has anything to do with evolution???

Many show their ignorance of what the Gap idea is about when they latch onto propagandist's attempt to link it to evolution theory.

As for God's creation account in Genesis, it is NOT just a fictional storytelling. It's about the Truth, and it will always follow real science. God's Word contains much science, so you shouldn't use the word 'science' in a bad context by itself as it were only about men's theories.

 

[DP]

Jeremiah also. I believe these verses speak of satans fall......

Jer 4~~23I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light. 24I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro. 25I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled. 26I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the LORD, before His fierce anger. 27For thus says the LORD,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction. 28“For this the earth shall mourn
And the heavens above be dark,
Because I have spoken, I have purposed,
And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.”

That part in bold is what has the majority stumped. Many easily forget that the image of 'man' originated in the Heavenly from God's Own Image Likeness. He create the angels with that image of man also. That's why it's truly funny to hear some brethren speak of the idea of 'man' as being about flesh man only.

I believe that reference is about angels in that old world, not flesh men. I believe Satan had an angelic kingdom on earth before he rebelled. And one third of the angels ("stars") of Rev.12:3-4 rebelled with him, while the other 2/3rds did not, but followed God and His Son.

 

[DP]

Or he could be prophesying about when Jerusalem was to be utterly destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar in 587 BC.....

Gappers use this verse and Psalm 104 to justify the theory. Many Gappers also suggest there were 2 floods, the great flood of Noah and what they call the Lucifer Flood, they state is found in Psalm 104

Because of the context of those Jer.4 verses, it's about God giving rebellious Judah in Neb's time a warning of destruction like that God had done once before upon the earth. The context of those verses are not... simply about one small part of the earth, like Jerusalem. Anyone can fathom that.

 

[DP]

There were no men. Jeremiah 4 points that out. It was satan,as the head(like Adam to us) of all the angels. Hence we have always known the angels as elect or fallen.......they fell before we were created.

death reigned from Adam for the human race.

And Apostle John gave us this profound verse:

1 John 3:8
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
KJV


It's all about Satan's original overthrow, that's what caused this present world, which is nothing more than sticking a sheet in the eternal hour glass of time to create a pause, to find out who wants to be with The Father and His Son for eternity, and those who do not.

Satan actually committed the very first sin, not Adam. That's what John was saying.

 

[DP]

I don't agree with evolution. But I do think that there is a lot of time between Gen1:1 and 1:2. the earth is old,mankind is 'young.'

The GAP, reveal's why God created mankind and what we are to do. And If we follow Gods plan for our lives......It puts another nail in satans coffin. So satan is going to do his level best to hide this from us.

Its the Angelic conflict or Kingdom conflict. And we are smack dab in the middle of it.

Because this is of such a Heavenly type matter, many brethren will never come to understand it during this present world. Everyone will understand when our Lord Jesus returns.