The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda
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I read it again. I can't see it. I mean, I see the place we are in as originally coming into existence because of Gods' anger against satan. I think the verse somewhere that says God creates darkness has to be a "negative" creation, as in, withholding the light/casting someone from the light of His presence. And the very fact that He created a place where His light was not seems to intone anger and separation. And if you really look into every single word and its definition and root in the beginning of Genesis, you come away with something much more severe than just "without form and void." Instead you come away with words and concepts like...a howling waste and desolation, a thing of nought, vanity, and other very disturbing pictures. And it makes you think that Genesis 1:1 means that God created a separation between where He was and where He was not. It begins to look like (after you look up all the words) it says that God created heaven and "not heaven."
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Yes. And our purpose is stated Here........
Eph 3:10~~New American Standard Bible
so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.
Eph 6:12~~New American Standard Bible
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Paul had the "mystery doctrine." So he knew the kingdom conflict.
It's the lack of mystery doctrine being taught that a lot of these truths stay hidden.
Eph 3:10~~New American Standard Bible
so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.
Eph 6:12~~New American Standard Bible
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Paul had the "mystery doctrine." So he knew the kingdom conflict.
It's the lack of mystery doctrine being taught that a lot of these truths stay hidden.
Actually 'big bang' isn't an origin theory either.
It has nothing at all to say about where whatever it was that went 'bang' came from, or how long it existed, or anything of the sort. It begins with all the matter and energy in the universe already existing ((after creation)) but being condensed into a point. Physics cannot describe the first fractional seconds of what's believed this must have been like, so 'big bang' cosmologies do not concern origin, and only talk about conditions some period of time after an initial expansion/explosion began. They have nothing to do whatsoever with were all the matter and energy in the universe came from, nor what triggered it all to be set into motion. 'Big bang' theory offers no explanation about the 'Prime Mover;' it's not an origin theory.
More saliently, 'big bang' theories only address the observed structure and large-scale motion of the universe. they are completely disconnected from any conversation about the origin of life.
People who point at these theories as if they explain either creation or the existence of life are misinformed and confused, abusing the science to mask their rejection of God, just as much as Christians who scoff at them as though they are some sort of 'replacement' for the creation of the universe and of life are also misinformed about what these are.
Neither 'evolution' nor 'big-bang cosmology' is an origin theory. They are not 'anti-creation' ideas. they are deductive extrapolations from observation of the natural world that don't extend to the pre-existence of all the 'stuff' that is the universe in the one case, and of life itself in the other case.
It has nothing at all to say about where whatever it was that went 'bang' came from, or how long it existed, or anything of the sort. It begins with all the matter and energy in the universe already existing ((after creation)) but being condensed into a point. Physics cannot describe the first fractional seconds of what's believed this must have been like, so 'big bang' cosmologies do not concern origin, and only talk about conditions some period of time after an initial expansion/explosion began. They have nothing to do whatsoever with were all the matter and energy in the universe came from, nor what triggered it all to be set into motion. 'Big bang' theory offers no explanation about the 'Prime Mover;' it's not an origin theory.
More saliently, 'big bang' theories only address the observed structure and large-scale motion of the universe. they are completely disconnected from any conversation about the origin of life.
People who point at these theories as if they explain either creation or the existence of life are misinformed and confused, abusing the science to mask their rejection of God, just as much as Christians who scoff at them as though they are some sort of 'replacement' for the creation of the universe and of life are also misinformed about what these are.
Neither 'evolution' nor 'big-bang cosmology' is an origin theory. They are not 'anti-creation' ideas. they are deductive extrapolations from observation of the natural world that don't extend to the pre-existence of all the 'stuff' that is the universe in the one case, and of life itself in the other case.
Jewish folklore is actually consistent with 'big bang' -- in that it involves a point-source origin of the entire universe. It is said that when God spoke the universe into existence, He stood where mount Moriah now is, and from beneath His feet, from that single point, the entire cosmos unfurled and was stretched out ((as expansion)). Jewish folklore is that the holy of holies is the 'point-source' where the big bang occurred; the kinetic center of the universe.
It kind of goes along with this:
Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV
Consider to what level of shaking is being spoken of there. What kind of an event would the shaking to remove things on the earth that are made, like man's works, while God's works (creation) remain, signify?
That would signify the shaking to end the things of this world. In 2 Peter 3:10 the word for "elements" in the Greek means 'an order' like a world time. It doesn't mean earthly atomic material elements. It's about man's order on the earth. And it's about a destruction of the magnitude of 2 Pet.3:10 performed by God's consuming fire.
That Heb.12 Scripture section is quoting from Haggai:
Hag 2:6-7
6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
KJV
The shaking of all nations is set for the end of this world, when all the hills and mountains are moved, and the islands are moved out of their places.
Once that point is understood, then we are hit with a much deeper and more profound point in that Heb.12 Scripture:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
The phrase, "then shook the earth:" refers to a past shaking of the earth in a time before. So also does the "Yet once more" phrase. And with verse 27 we are shown to what 'level' of shaking is being spoken about, signifying that God once before shook the whole earth to remove man's works off it similar to the future shaking that is coming to end this present world.
Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not Him That speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused Him That spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him That speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV
Consider to what level of shaking is being spoken of there. What kind of an event would the shaking to remove things on the earth that are made, like man's works, while God's works (creation) remain, signify?
That would signify the shaking to end the things of this world. In 2 Peter 3:10 the word for "elements" in the Greek means 'an order' like a world time. It doesn't mean earthly atomic material elements. It's about man's order on the earth. And it's about a destruction of the magnitude of 2 Pet.3:10 performed by God's consuming fire.
That Heb.12 Scripture section is quoting from Haggai:
Hag 2:6-7
6 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.
KJV
The shaking of all nations is set for the end of this world, when all the hills and mountains are moved, and the islands are moved out of their places.
Once that point is understood, then we are hit with a much deeper and more profound point in that Heb.12 Scripture:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
The phrase, "then shook the earth:" refers to a past shaking of the earth in a time before. So also does the "Yet once more" phrase. And with verse 27 we are shown to what 'level' of shaking is being spoken about, signifying that God once before shook the whole earth to remove man's works off it similar to the future shaking that is coming to end this present world.
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I'm very aware of what biblical creationists believe and don't believe and I haven't heard them say that the gap theory is evolution-based. Just that the gap theory makes use of the same uniformitarian timeline that evolutionary theory does. And the gap theory is just another way for humanity to compromise the Bible. That's not propaganda. That's truth.
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26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven."
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
This is a subject that is so volatile that we better explain precisely. And you do a waaaaayyyyy better job than me. But something I caught here. He shook the earth once before to remove angels or satan 'works' from the earth.
I know satan was created like us as a rational creature. But we had better differentiate angels from mankind. Otherwise we will go through 10 pages trying to splain ourselves.
27 And this word, "Yet once more", signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
This is a subject that is so volatile that we better explain precisely. And you do a waaaaayyyyy better job than me. But something I caught here. He shook the earth once before to remove angels or satan 'works' from the earth.
I know satan was created like us as a rational creature. But we had better differentiate angels from mankind. Otherwise we will go through 10 pages trying to splain ourselves.
I don't see it that way. The Gen.1:4 separation between God's Light and darkness to me signifies the creating of a place of separation in the Heavenly between God's Abode and the prison pit of hell for Satan's abode. After all, the literal creation of the sun and moon isn't mentioned until later in verses 14-18.
But at Gen.1:2 the earth is mentioned with waters upon it, which the verses that follow shows us the earth was already there underneath all those waters. That's not a definition of the earth being created; it's a definition of the waters of a flood covering the surface of an already existing earth.
But at Gen.1:2 the earth is mentioned with waters upon it, which the verses that follow shows us the earth was already there underneath all those waters. That's not a definition of the earth being created; it's a definition of the waters of a flood covering the surface of an already existing earth.