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M
It is ONLY as we "walk in the light" of God's Holy Moral laws and "confess our sins" when, in the body or in heart brake the letter or the spirit of the law ,then we are forgive our sins against, braking the MORAL laws of God, then we are forgiven of our sins. 1Jh.1:7-10 Sin is the braking of the moral laws of God, and and doing certain, neutral things, with out the faith to do so, the weak in faith Christian sins if they drink wine with out the faith to do so. If one does not believe what God says is true, then they will not believe that the drinking of wine ,in moderation, is holy. And they call God a liar. The "carnal mind" can not walk, truly walk, in the moral laws of God. But, when we have laws, rules in our society and families, that promote the keeping of the moral laws of God we have outward conformity to the letter of the laws, but not the conformity to the spirit of the law, Yet, we will still have a lawful, good society, as in 1900-1960, . but today we have no morals in society, and little in the churches; Because the churches have pushed, "faith only" to the death of a godiness in society. As the church goes, so goes the society. Judgment starts in the churches. Love to all, Hoffco
K
Its the Word of God...do you reject it?
That alone is not the only word of God that says separates us from God.
The bible which is the word of God says that all sin separates you from God.
The only way to be reconciled is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who's blood was shed to give us remission of sins. To receive that remission is through repentance, baptism, and confession of our future sins.....
A person can not continue in unrepented, and not confessed sins to be covered by His blood that cleanses us from all righteousness.
"Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit given by God to those who obey. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation, so if we do still sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. That if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
( Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Luke 13:3, Acts 2:38, Acts 5:32, Romans 10:10, 1 John 1:9, 2:1 )
H
Matt 25 is about physical food and clothes...you are giving spiritual food to those who know where to get it ...they are the brethren..[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
a Christian fulfilling physical needs does not mean you do not ,cannot or ought not to fulfil spiritual needs..and vice versa
Galatians 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
what would the hungry and naked do with your preaching...when all they hear and feel are hunger pangs in their belly and the bite of coldness on their bodies?????
a Christian fulfilling physical needs does not mean you do not ,cannot or ought not to fulfil spiritual needs..and vice versa
Galatians 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
what would the hungry and naked do with your preaching...when all they hear and feel are hunger pangs in their belly and the bite of coldness on their bodies?????
I don't know where your at, whether a young Christian still learning, or a legalist who denies God through works. Hopefully your not a legalist.
As I said before, even the non-believers help the physically needy. That is no different to the physical help Christians offer. But what separates Christians from them is that we also preach the gospel to the lost, who are the SPIRTUALLY needy (spiritually hungry, thirsty, sick, in prison, naked and strangers).
BTW, "brethren" in Matt 25 does not imply just helping needy Christians only, as you seem to suggest.
Remember that God loves the world and wants all to be saved (John 3:16, 1Tim 2:4-6).
Consider also how in Acts 2:22,29,37 and Acts 3:13-17 Peter calls the non-believing Jews who crucified Jesus, brethren, calling upon them to repent of their dead works and be saved.
Regarding your point that we should not be preaching the gospel to the physically hungry and physically naked, that makes no sense. Why can't you do both?
Below I have quoted my earlier post showing from scripture who are the SPIRITUALLY needy.
Matt 25:31-46 is spiritual.
Who are the hungry and thirsty?
It's the lost, the spiritually hungry and thirsty who lack Christ, our spiritual food and drink.
1Cor 10:3,4
all ate the same spiritual food,4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ
And who is the stranger?
It's the lost, who are spiritual strangers from the covenants of promise and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel.
Eph 2:12
that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:19
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
Who are the naked?
It's the lost, who are spiritually naked lacking the robes of righteousness and the garment of salvation.
Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord,
My soul shall be joyful in my God;
For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation,
He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,
Who are the sick?
It's the lost, who are spiritually sick.
Isa 1:5,6
Why should you be stricken again?
You will revolt more and more.
The whole head is sick,
And the whole heart faints.
6 From the sole of the foot even to the head,
There is no soundness in it,
Who are those in prison?
It's the lost, those in spiritual prison.
Isa 61:1
“The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
Christians (the sheep) let their light (Christ in us) shine (Matt 5:16) in that we preach the gospel to believe on Jesus, to the spiritually hungry, thirsty, naked, strangers sick and in prison.
But the goats do not preach the gospel. They instead preach works of the law or else a mix of works of the law, with grace. We cannot mix works of the law, with grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Who are the hungry and thirsty?
It's the lost, the spiritually hungry and thirsty who lack Christ, our spiritual food and drink.
1Cor 10:3,4
all ate the same spiritual food,4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ
And who is the stranger?
It's the lost, who are spiritual strangers from the covenants of promise and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel.
Eph 2:12
that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:19
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
Who are the naked?
It's the lost, who are spiritually naked lacking the robes of righteousness and the garment of salvation.
Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord,
My soul shall be joyful in my God;
For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation,
He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,
Who are the sick?
It's the lost, who are spiritually sick.
Isa 1:5,6
Why should you be stricken again?
You will revolt more and more.
The whole head is sick,
And the whole heart faints.
6 From the sole of the foot even to the head,
There is no soundness in it,
Who are those in prison?
It's the lost, those in spiritual prison.
Isa 61:1
“The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
Christians (the sheep) let their light (Christ in us) shine (Matt 5:16) in that we preach the gospel to believe on Jesus, to the spiritually hungry, thirsty, naked, strangers sick and in prison.
But the goats do not preach the gospel. They instead preach works of the law or else a mix of works of the law, with grace. We cannot mix works of the law, with grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Do you deny that the lost are strangers from the covenants of promise and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel?
Do you deny that the lost are spiritually naked being that they lack the robes of righteousness, the garment of salvation.
Do you deny that the lost are spiritually, sick and in spiritual prison?
H
A believer becomes impure by sin if they do not repent, and/or confess it to be forgiven of it as 1 John says. Only after confessing that sin, does our Lord who is just forgive you of it and cleanse you from that unrighteousness. .
One wonders what what is the outcome should you be on the down side of your see-saw, being impure/unrighteous, and then go into a coma, brain damage, or die before you repent. Or else you might have forgotten to repent.
What a a precaious false doctrine you follow.
and if sin can not be imputed/charged to a believer once again I would say why then does Paul warn Timothy that he can become impure from sin again. Because it can, and sin is anything you put before God. .
Repent, and confess your sins so that they can be forgiven and covered by the blood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
And then that is how you become cleansed of all unrighteousness, and remain pure......
And then that is how you become cleansed of all unrighteousness, and remain pure......
Legalists have yet to repent and be cleansed of their unrighteousness so that they can become pure.
K
This doctrine you follow is error. Without any scripture to support it. It has you on a see-saw bouncing from pure to impure, depending on whether you obey the law perfectly or not on any given day.
One wonders what what is the outcome should you be on the down side of your see-saw, being impure/unrighteous, and then go into a coma, brain damage, or die before you repent. Or else you might have forgotten to repent.
What a a precaious false doctrine you follow.
As I showed you before in an earlier post, Christians purified themselves by believing on Jesus, 1John 3:3. Believing on Jesus is something that legalists always twist scripture to avoid.
As I showed you before, repentance was from DEAD WORKS of self righteousness (which is sin).
Legalists have yet to repent and be cleansed of their unrighteousness so that they can become pure.
One wonders what what is the outcome should you be on the down side of your see-saw, being impure/unrighteous, and then go into a coma, brain damage, or die before you repent. Or else you might have forgotten to repent.
What a a precaious false doctrine you follow.
As I showed you before in an earlier post, Christians purified themselves by believing on Jesus, 1John 3:3. Believing on Jesus is something that legalists always twist scripture to avoid.
As I showed you before, repentance was from DEAD WORKS of self righteousness (which is sin).
Legalists have yet to repent and be cleansed of their unrighteousness so that they can become pure.
Wrong as I constantly give scripture to back it up, as 1 John chapter 1 says you have to confess your sins, and in chapter 2 he says that our Lord being just does forgive us when we confess and cleanses us from that unrighteousness.
I am not in a see-saw battle as you say because I have always said I continue to stay pure, as I continue to confess my sins to the Lord so that He will cleanse me of that unrighteousness which will have me spotless when we stand before judgment.
You are only covered by your past and present sins at the one time you repented, unless you have never repented then you still not covered by His precious blood.
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Future sins still have to be confessed to be forgiven as 1 John chapters 1 and 2 show confession comes before forgiveness;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And Peter and Paul both show only the past committed sins were forgiven and covered;
2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
When you sin as a believer you should feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit which causes godly sorrow in you bringing you to repentance and confession to be forgiven by the Lord that leads to salvation.
"Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit given by God to those who obey. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation, so if we do still sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. That if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
( Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Luke 13:3, Acts 2:38, Acts 5:32, Romans 10:10, 1 John 1:9, 2:1 )
K
I don't know, but I can say that without grace I'd be toast. Guess y'all are better than me and your righteousness is peck, but I find that my Righteousness is in my faith in the work of the cross and by that it is a free gift and not something I can earn. But y'all know better than me and I'm not a theologian just an old boy that got saved by the grace of God and I try my best, but my best is'nt good enough and I have to rely on the cross, maybe y'all don't but I do.
K
I meant I have faults and I try not do them, and one of my faults is a pretty girl, I see a pretty girl and I have to tell myself to shutup and I pray, not that I do anything but the thoughts are evil and I'm married and have been for over twenty years, but by the grace of God I have restrained myself, I don't think it's me but He has restrained me. I thank God for that.
Also I was an alcoholic, Yet he was stayed me from that, I could not own my own defeat it, no matter how much I wanted to keep law, Yet by grace He has set me free.
Also I was an alcoholic, Yet he was stayed me from that, I could not own my own defeat it, no matter how much I wanted to keep law, Yet by grace He has set me free.
K
I don't know, but I can say that without grace I'd be toast. Guess y'all are better than me and your righteousness is peck, but I find that my Righteousness is in my faith in the work of the cross and by that it is a free gift and not something I can earn. But y'all know better than me and I'm not a theologian just an old boy that got saved by the grace of God and I try my best, but my best is'nt good enough and I have to rely on the cross, maybe y'all don't but I do.
No you are right that without grace we would all be cast into the lake of fire.
However the bible does tell us specifically how we receive and get under that saving grace from our God.
It says you have to repent and be baptized to receive that remission of sins, and then the Holy Spirit guides us and helps us to strengthen us in areas we struggle with. Then in 1 John it says that if we do sin again, which does happen in a believers life, if we confess that sin then He being just will forgive us of that/those sins.
It is not about trying to sound better than another, it is about being persistent in that teaching for some have gone and try to cast out part or all of that.
1 Timothy 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
K
I meant I have faults and I try not do them, and one of my faults is a pretty girl, I see a pretty girl and I have to tell myself to shutup and I pray, not that I do anything but the thoughts are evil and I'm married and have been for over twenty years, but by the grace of God I have restrained myself, I don't think it's me but He has restrained me. I thank God for that.
Also I was an alcoholic, Yet he was stayed me from that, I could not own my own defeat it, no matter how much I wanted to keep law, Yet by grace He has set me free.
Also I was an alcoholic, Yet he was stayed me from that, I could not own my own defeat it, no matter how much I wanted to keep law, Yet by grace He has set me free.
Yes we all have areas we struggle in, and that is exactly why the Holy Spirit was sent to us. To help us in those areas, to strengthen us so that sin does not take control of our live again. Your testimony is a good example of how you are acknowledging your faults and how you say you pray about them. This shows that you are walking in the Spirit, and not covering them up.
God bless..
K
No you are right that without grace we would all be cast into the lake of fire.
However the bible does tell us specifically how we receive and get under that saving grace from our God.
It says you have to repent and be baptized to receive that remission of sins, and then the Holy Spirit guides us and helps us to strengthen us in areas we struggle with. Then in 1 John it says that if we do sin again, which does happen in a believers life, if we confess that sin then He being just will forgive us of that/those sins.
It is not about trying to sound better than another, it is about being persistent in that teaching for some have gone and try to cast out part or all of that.
1 Timothy 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
However the bible does tell us specifically how we receive and get under that saving grace from our God.
It says you have to repent and be baptized to receive that remission of sins, and then the Holy Spirit guides us and helps us to strengthen us in areas we struggle with. Then in 1 John it says that if we do sin again, which does happen in a believers life, if we confess that sin then He being just will forgive us of that/those sins.
It is not about trying to sound better than another, it is about being persistent in that teaching for some have gone and try to cast out part or all of that.
1 Timothy 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
H
Wrong as I constantly give scripture to back it up, as 1 John chapter 1 says you have to confess your sins, and in chapter 2 he says that our Lord being just does forgive us when we confess and cleanses us from that unrighteousness.
I am not in a see-saw battle as you say because I have always said I continue to stay pure, as I continue to confess my sins to the Lord so that He will cleanse me of that unrighteousness which will have me spotless when we stand before judgment.
You are only covered by your past and present sins at the one time you repented, unless you have never repented then you still not covered by His precious blood.
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Future sins still have to be confessed to be forgiven as 1 John chapters 1 and 2 show confession comes before forgiveness;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And Peter and Paul both show only the past committed sins were forgiven and covered;
2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
When you sin as a believer you should feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit which causes godly sorrow in you bringing you to repentance and confession to be forgiven by the Lord that leads to salvation.
"Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit given by God to those who obey. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation, so if we do still sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. That if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
( Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Luke 13:3, Acts 2:38, Acts 5:32, Romans 10:10, 1 John 1:9, 2:1 )
I am not in a see-saw battle as you say because I have always said I continue to stay pure, as I continue to confess my sins to the Lord so that He will cleanse me of that unrighteousness which will have me spotless when we stand before judgment.
You are only covered by your past and present sins at the one time you repented, unless you have never repented then you still not covered by His precious blood.
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Future sins still have to be confessed to be forgiven as 1 John chapters 1 and 2 show confession comes before forgiveness;
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And Peter and Paul both show only the past committed sins were forgiven and covered;
2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
When you sin as a believer you should feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit which causes godly sorrow in you bringing you to repentance and confession to be forgiven by the Lord that leads to salvation.
"Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit given by God to those who obey. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation, so if we do still sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. That if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
( Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Luke 13:3, Acts 2:38, Acts 5:32, Romans 10:10, 1 John 1:9, 2:1 )
You quote scripture without understanding, taking them out of context, as I shown you in previous posts. Here again you quote scripture again, all out of context and without any understanding.
Rather than making a super long post explaining the many scriptures you misused above, I'll just say, repent of your dead works of self righteousness, and believe on Jesus instead.
we would all be toast without grace. no question.
as for immersion in Yahshua - every one of the disciples**(note1) who "called on the Name of Yahshua" to be saved was immersed in Hiim as soon as possible afterwards, even / especially specifically the gentiles at cornielus's house. and they kept doing as Yahshua said , immersing and teaching all that He taught/teaches, right up to TODAY.
elsewhere it may be possible to get into what all immersion sets people free from... only a few posters have ever mentioned what immersion in Yahshua sets people free from , and it's practically, totally, neglected in the usa.
**(note 1): don't bring up the thief on the cross here. everyone who is disobedient always brings him up, as if it matters. (it does, but not as an excuse to not obey a direct instruction/command from the Master).
also note, some have pointed out that no one IN SCRIPTURE ever said that the thief was NEVER IMMERSED.
as noted in SCRIPTURE > all those who accepted Yahshua as Messiah had been or were immersed. those who refused to accept the Messiah/Savior had not been immersed. (look it up- it is life changing).
as for immersion in Yahshua - every one of the disciples**(note1) who "called on the Name of Yahshua" to be saved was immersed in Hiim as soon as possible afterwards, even / especially specifically the gentiles at cornielus's house. and they kept doing as Yahshua said , immersing and teaching all that He taught/teaches, right up to TODAY.
elsewhere it may be possible to get into what all immersion sets people free from... only a few posters have ever mentioned what immersion in Yahshua sets people free from , and it's practically, totally, neglected in the usa.
I don't know, but I can say that without grace I'd be toast. Guess y'all are better than me and your righteousness is peck, but I find that my Righteousness is in my faith in the work of the cross and by that it is a free gift and not something I can earn. But y'all know better than me and I'm not a theologian just an old boy that got saved by the grace of God and I try my best, but my best is'nt good enough and I have to rely on the cross, maybe y'all don't but I do.
I thought that you had said that baptism removed us from the body of sin or was that Jabberjaw. Any ways I don't believe in baptism. I think it is just an act that we do as a sign of inward change. I believe that the focus and what God is looking for is faith in the work of the cross. I believe that faith and repentance in the work of the cross is what Gives the Holy Spirit the legal right to work in you and through you and if you want get baptised then do it. Baptism is not a requirement for whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved, no water mentioned.
also note, some have pointed out that no one IN SCRIPTURE ever said that the thief was NEVER IMMERSED.
as noted in SCRIPTURE > all those who accepted Yahshua as Messiah had been or were immersed. those who refused to accept the Messiah/Savior had not been immersed. (look it up- it is life changing).
since you're possible blind, i can't tell, let me read it for you : "He/they have left behind their dead works, and proceeding in life by the Spirit of Yahshua Hamashiach ALIVE in them WORKING THE WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS as ABBA planned before the world was created."
"you" keep seeing 'dead works?' where there are RIGHTEOUS WORKS from ABBA, and
"you" keep seeing NO 'living works' in your own life (as you admit, it looks like) because ... well... i don't know Y.
'repent' means STOP doing what the devil says to do, and START DOING WHAT YAHSHUA says to do. simple.
obey the devil is what everybody does until they are redeemed. obey Yahshua is what the righteous do by faith.
"you" keep seeing 'dead works?' where there are RIGHTEOUS WORKS from ABBA, and
"you" keep seeing NO 'living works' in your own life (as you admit, it looks like) because ... well... i don't know Y.
'repent' means STOP doing what the devil says to do, and START DOING WHAT YAHSHUA says to do. simple.
obey the devil is what everybody does until they are redeemed. obey Yahshua is what the righteous do by faith.
You quote scripture without understanding, taking them out of context, as I shown you in previous posts. Here again you quote scripture again, all out of context and without any understanding.
Rather than making a super long post explaining the many scriptures you misused above, I'll just say, repent of your dead works of self righteousness, and believe on Jesus instead.
Rather than making a super long post explaining the many scriptures you misused above, I'll just say, repent of your dead works of self righteousness, and believe on Jesus instead.
K
we would all be toast without grace. no question.
as for immersion in Yahshua - every one of the disciples**(note1) who "called on the Name of Yahshua" to be saved was immersed in Hiim as soon as possible afterwards, even / especially specifically the gentiles at cornielus's house. and they kept doing as Yahshua said , immersing and teaching all that He taught/teaches, right up to TODAY.
elsewhere it may be possible to get into what all immersion sets people free from... only a few posters have ever mentioned what immersion in Yahshua sets people free from , and it's practically, totally, neglected in the usa.
**(note 1): don't bring up the thief on the cross here. everyone who is disobedient always brings him up, as if it matters. (it does, but not as an excuse to not obey a direct instruction/command from the Master).
also note, some have pointed out that no one IN SCRIPTURE ever said that the thief was NEVER IMMERSED.
as noted in SCRIPTURE > all those who accepted Yahshua as Messiah had been or were immersed. those who refused to accept the Messiah/Savior had not been immersed. (look it up- it is life changing).
as for immersion in Yahshua - every one of the disciples**(note1) who "called on the Name of Yahshua" to be saved was immersed in Hiim as soon as possible afterwards, even / especially specifically the gentiles at cornielus's house. and they kept doing as Yahshua said , immersing and teaching all that He taught/teaches, right up to TODAY.
elsewhere it may be possible to get into what all immersion sets people free from... only a few posters have ever mentioned what immersion in Yahshua sets people free from , and it's practically, totally, neglected in the usa.
**(note 1): don't bring up the thief on the cross here. everyone who is disobedient always brings him up, as if it matters. (it does, but not as an excuse to not obey a direct instruction/command from the Master).
also note, some have pointed out that no one IN SCRIPTURE ever said that the thief was NEVER IMMERSED.
as noted in SCRIPTURE > all those who accepted Yahshua as Messiah had been or were immersed. those who refused to accept the Messiah/Savior had not been immersed. (look it up- it is life changing).
K
So spit on the cross what you really need to do is stick your head in water, Man If Jesus would have none that then that cup would have passed from Him. If all we needed was head dunking, Sorry Jesus we got this revelation after you were beat and spitr on and your beard snatched out and beat till your rib bones showed and spikes driven in hands and feet. Sorry Jesus it don't mean squat, we just have to get baptised, your mistake.
H
since you're possible blind, i can't tell, let me read it for you : "He/they have left behind their dead works, and proceeding in life by the Spirit of Yahshua Hamashiach ALIVE in them WORKING THE WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS as ABBA planned before the world was created."
"you" keep seeing 'dead works?' where there are RIGHTEOUS WORKS from ABBA, and
"you" keep seeing NO 'living works' in your own life (as you admit, it looks like) because ... well... i don't know Y.
'repent' means STOP doing what the devil says to do, and START DOING WHAT YAHSHUA says to do. simple.
obey the devil is what everybody does until they are redeemed. obey Yahshua is what the righteous do by faith.
"you" keep seeing 'dead works?' where there are RIGHTEOUS WORKS from ABBA, and
"you" keep seeing NO 'living works' in your own life (as you admit, it looks like) because ... well... i don't know Y.
'repent' means STOP doing what the devil says to do, and START DOING WHAT YAHSHUA says to do. simple.
obey the devil is what everybody does until they are redeemed. obey Yahshua is what the righteous do by faith.
2Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (lust for Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24) and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
K
I thought that you had said that baptism removed us from the body of sin or was that Jabberjaw. Any ways I don't believe in baptism. I think it is just an act that we do as a sign of inward change. I believe that the focus and what God is looking for is faith in the work of the cross. I believe that faith and repentance in the work of the cross is what Gives the Holy Spirit the legal right to work in you and through you and if you want get baptised then do it. Baptism is not a requirement for whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved, no water mentioned.
You should believe in baptism as our Lord commanded it in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16.
Peter an Paul both continued that commanded baptism by the Lord in the book of Acts 2-10, and Peter let it be known that water was still in usage in baptism in chapter 10. He made it known that no man can forbid what the Lord commanded.
K
You quote scripture without understanding, taking them out of context, as I shown you in previous posts. Here again you quote scripture again, all out of context and without any understanding.
Rather than making a super long post explaining the many scriptures you misused above, I'll just say, repent of your dead works of self righteousness, and believe on Jesus instead.
Rather than making a super long post explaining the many scriptures you misused above, I'll just say, repent of your dead works of self righteousness, and believe on Jesus instead.
They were not taken out of context, you just don't like them because you don't want to believe what those scriptures say.
Repentance, baptism, and confession is not dead works, they are spiritual works. Dead works are those sinful works done for self that lead you to a spiritual death. Not things that were commanded by our Lord.
The Lord would not have said do these things, now repent of them because they are not needed and are dead works.
Instead He said repent, be baptized, confess Him before others, forgive others, and so on......These were not fulfilled and/or done away with at the cross. That was the mosaic law written ordinances that was done away with at the cross. His 10 commandments and everything the Lord said in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John do very much still apply.
like i said in the post you pulled the quote from -- those who are disobedient always bring him up,
and i only want to reply to those who want to learn from Jesus and be obedient to God, or to unbelievers asking questions.
people who are willfully sinful and disobedient, and still yet call themselves 'believers' , the Word of God is clear about not having anything to do with them, not even to greet them, and not to have a meal with them.
and i only want to reply to those who want to learn from Jesus and be obedient to God, or to unbelievers asking questions.
people who are willfully sinful and disobedient, and still yet call themselves 'believers' , the Word of God is clear about not having anything to do with them, not even to greet them, and not to have a meal with them.
Why not bring up the thief on the cross, is that a part of the bible that you don't believe?