The Heresy of Perfectionism

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4runner

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AnandaHya said:
but you haven't 4runner. you haven't proven anything. I did not post because I have a feeling this would be pointless and end up in an argument.God's word have proven it

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.Romans 8

Romans 8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
If we are walking in the flesh we CANNOT please God.

You just refuse to hear HIM


4runner I believe respect and love should be the motive anything said. if you can not find either in your heart when responding to me. I prefer if we do not communicate.
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Cant say I respect you as you disrespect God, but I certainly do love you, and am concerned for your soul. However Paul does tell us in Titus 3:10-11 that after we have corrected a heretic twice we should reject them. I have went above and beyond my duty trying to lead you to truth. So I will make a deal with you. You ignore me, and i will ignore you ;)

But do me one favor. Read the above scriptures with an open heart, and let God speak to you.
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and the thing you refuse to see is that I believe those verses apply to you and you think they apply to me but only God is the true and faithful judge concerning the hearts of men.

so that is what you would say to a lady or child who thinks she is unworthy of God's love?

how comforting...
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Not only do you refuse to list scripture that show you side, you ignore the multiple scripture I have listed that oppose your opinion
 
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I talked to Christians but no one ever told me that God does not expect us to be perfect.
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God DOES expect us to be perfect, matter of fact He commands it Matthew 6:33. The good thing is He knew that we could not keep this commandment on our own. So He Himself indwells us an enables us to do so.
 
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only if you read Mark 7: 6- 15.

you sadden me and I find you offensive and disrespectful and slanderous, 4runner.

I will do as God commands and He does not allow me to turn a blind eye to darkness, lies and illusions but to shine His light and speak His truth. however I will refrain from addressing you as a brethren.

you have no clue what my position is you only assume you know and you refuse to listen to anything I say to contradict what you think I am saying only continuing in a self righteous rant.

Show me when I have ever been disrespectful to GOD or told people to live according to the flesh. show me my words where I have transgressed God's commandments and I will repent of them but if you can not will you apologize for your slander or will you pridefully justify your sin?
 
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AnandaHya said:
only if you read Mark 7: 6- 15.

you sadden me and I find you offensive and disrespectful and slanderous, 4runner.
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You sadden me as you trample on God's word desecrating the message of the gospel. It beaks my hear tot see people like you lift yourself up above God's word
 
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4runner said:
God DOES expect us to be perfect, matter of fact He commands it Matthew 6:33. The good thing is He knew that we could not keep this commandment on our own. So He Himself indwells us an enables us to do so.
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what does it mean to you to be "perfect"? will you no longer have troubles, sorrows, temptations to sin?
 
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It is not impossible, saying that it is, is in fact, a heresy and contrary to the word of God.
Why would Jesus command others to "Go and sin no more?"
We can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens us.
It is possible and it is commanded us.

Sin is a choice. You can choose to be obedient to the Creator, no one can force you into sin.
 
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Jeremiah 13
15 Hear ye, and give ear; be not proud: for the LORD hath spoken.
16 Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.
1 7But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD's flock is carried away captive.



The refusal many of you have shown to hear God's word, not only leads you into darkness, but it actually makes God weep
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you're not a prophet, or a preacher sent by God.
you're a puffed-up self-righteous heretic.
your gospel is cursed.
 
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AnandaHya said:
.Show me when I have ever been disrespectful to GOD or told people to live according to the flesh.?
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Originally Posted by AnandaHya

Make it simple for you and blunt because hints are not working and I pray to God that it comes out right and according to His will.

I am stating you are WALKING IN THE FLESH
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You did more than tell me I should, you said I do
 
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AnandaHya said:
what does it mean to you to be "perfect"? will you no longer have troubles, sorrows, temptations to sin?
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Even Jesus had trouble, sorrows, and temptation. Perfect is allowing Christ to live in you, for you, and through you.
 
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foundthetruth said:
It is not impossible, saying that it is, is in fact, a heresy and contrary to the word of God.
Why would Jesus command others to "Go and sin no more?"
We can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens us.
It is possible and it is commanded us.

Sin is a choice. You can choose to be obedient to the Creator, no one can force you into sin.
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Amen bro. Brace for impact, but never back down.
 
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4runner said:
You sadden me as you trample on God's word desecrating the message of the gospel. It beaks my hear tot see people like you lift yourself up above God's word
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what? more unbased lies and slander.

when someone does not agree with how you read the word of God and does not agree with YOU, you tell yourself they are not worthy of your respect.

I do not lift myself above God's words, His will and neither do I disregard His grace who saves. I do not claim it is anything I do that saves souls but only the will of GOD.

I'll wait. eventually you will learn the consequences of your teaching in the lives of the people you are discipling. you have not answered my questions. the really important ones about what you would say to someone who think they are unworthy of God.

no instead you attack me personally with unfounded lies and judgemental statements.

I don't care really what you think of me and you don't care what I think of you,

so lets move past that and talk about what is important: the Gospel message and what you would tell someone they need to do or believe to be saved.
 
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Hebrews 10:26-31
26 For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again I shall judge my people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
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foundthetruth said:
It is not impossible, saying that it is, is in fact, a heresy and contrary to the word of God.
Why would Jesus command others to "Go and sin no more?"
We can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens us.
It is possible and it is commanded us.

Sin is a choice. You can choose to be obedient to the Creator, no one can force you into sin.
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True, but only God has the power to save you and keep you from sinning. Abiding in Christ is different then actively looking for ways not to sin and be fearful of losing your salvation if your fall into sin. why is it said that Christ is a mediator if we do not sin?
 
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4runner said:
Even Jesus had trouble, sorrows, and temptation. Perfect is allowing Christ to live in you, for you, and through you.
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alright one statement I actually agree with.
 
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AnandaHya said:
True, but only God has the power to save you and keep you from sinning. Abiding in Christ is different then actively looking for ways not to sin and be fearful of losing your salvation if your fall into sin.
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This is almost word for word what I have been saying to you for weeks, yet you insist it makes me a heretic, yet now you affirm this truth yourself..thats odd?


why is it said that Christ is a mediator if we do not sin?
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We can, and most of us sometimes do sin, but as you and foundthetruth say, it is possible to choose not to sin
 
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