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Unable To Attend, I Have A Severe Allergy Relating To The False Teachings Of John N. Darby And Adulterer C.I. Scofield, Better Known As Dispensationalism 
Some Church fathers believed in it and they werent dispensationalists
i have quoted many verses to show how Jesus will come in Glory and that the pre trib rapture is not founded in the bible.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world.
Matthew 24:21, 22. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved."
We can be like the huge trees that have lived through harsh time and become strong in the storms of life by putting their roots deep around rocks and stand when these times come or just presume that Jesus will take us away, so we can relax about it all.
Noah prepared by building an ark to go through the storm.
"At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." Daniel 12:1.
Are we delivered before or after the storm????????
The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.
Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!
The children of Israel were not saved from Egypt before the plagues fell, but afterward. God demonstrated His love and power by preserving them in Egypt through the ten plagues. In the same way, the righteous will be in the world when the seven last plagues fall (Revelation 16), but God will preserve them.
God never promises that our lives will always be easy. Christ prayed to His Father for His disciples, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil [one]." John 17:15. Likewise, in 2 Timothy 3:12 Paul states, "All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." Paul also told a group of disciples that "We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.
i have given a few Bible verses and reasons why the popular and appealing theory is not true. I know it is hard to except but it may help you to be ready.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world.
Matthew 24:21, 22. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved."
We can be like the huge trees that have lived through harsh time and become strong in the storms of life by putting their roots deep around rocks and stand when these times come or just presume that Jesus will take us away, so we can relax about it all.
Noah prepared by building an ark to go through the storm.
"At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." Daniel 12:1.
Are we delivered before or after the storm????????
The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.
Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!
The children of Israel were not saved from Egypt before the plagues fell, but afterward. God demonstrated His love and power by preserving them in Egypt through the ten plagues. In the same way, the righteous will be in the world when the seven last plagues fall (Revelation 16), but God will preserve them.
God never promises that our lives will always be easy. Christ prayed to His Father for His disciples, "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil [one]." John 17:15. Likewise, in 2 Timothy 3:12 Paul states, "All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." Paul also told a group of disciples that "We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." Acts 14:22.
i have given a few Bible verses and reasons why the popular and appealing theory is not true. I know it is hard to except but it may help you to be ready.
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Joh 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Joh 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Joh 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Joh 2:8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
i'm not sure how the miracle above proves pretrib. It tells me to obey Jesus.
Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Joh 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
Joh 2:7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Joh 2:8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
i'm not sure how the miracle above proves pretrib. It tells me to obey Jesus.
Well let's take a moment to carefully consider this verse and why it cannot possibly have anything to do with the Resurrection/Rapture of the saints.
1. Behold He cometh with clouds: are these clouds of water vapor or is "clouds" used as a metaphor for the clouds of saints and angels surrounding Christ at His Second Coming? Jude uses the word "saints" for those who come with Christ (which is literally holy ones and could apply to both saints and angels) but Paul includes the mighty angels of Christ in 2 Thessalonians. Why clouds? Because they are all dressed in white (Rev 19) and radiating light (1 Cor 15), thus from a distance they appear as radiant clouds.
So if the saints are coming with Christ at this time, it should be obvious that He came for them at the Resurrection/Rapture some time before His Second Coming. Therefore just this phrase shoots down your misconception about no Pre-Tribulation Rapture.
2. And every eye shall see Him: this is a reference to all the kindreds of the earth who will wail -- in fear of His wrath -- because of Him (see Rev 6). So this is definitely not a reference to the saints on earth at the Rapture, who will rejoice at His coming. Furthermore genuine Christians are a minority at all times, not ALL the kindreds of the earth. So this phrase further shoots down your theory.
3. And they also which pierced Him: even though it was a Roman soldier who actually pierced the side of Christ after His death, this is a reference to the Jews who caused Him to be crucified and then pierced, since "they (not he) shall look upon Him whom they pierced". So this is a reference to unbelieving Jews at the Second Coming of Christ. So now this phrase shoots down your theory.
4. And all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him: Jude gives us the reason why they will wail because of Him: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. So every phrase and clause in this verse totally refutes any nonsense about the Second Coming being identical to the Resurrection/Rapture.
Which means that you and others who hold to this erroneous view will need to go back to square one and totally revise your eschatology.
1. Behold He cometh with clouds: are these clouds of water vapor or is "clouds" used as a metaphor for the clouds of saints and angels surrounding Christ at His Second Coming? Jude uses the word "saints" for those who come with Christ (which is literally holy ones and could apply to both saints and angels) but Paul includes the mighty angels of Christ in 2 Thessalonians. Why clouds? Because they are all dressed in white (Rev 19) and radiating light (1 Cor 15), thus from a distance they appear as radiant clouds.
So if the saints are coming with Christ at this time, it should be obvious that He came for them at the Resurrection/Rapture some time before His Second Coming. Therefore just this phrase shoots down your misconception about no Pre-Tribulation Rapture.
2. And every eye shall see Him: this is a reference to all the kindreds of the earth who will wail -- in fear of His wrath -- because of Him (see Rev 6). So this is definitely not a reference to the saints on earth at the Rapture, who will rejoice at His coming. Furthermore genuine Christians are a minority at all times, not ALL the kindreds of the earth. So this phrase further shoots down your theory.
3. And they also which pierced Him: even though it was a Roman soldier who actually pierced the side of Christ after His death, this is a reference to the Jews who caused Him to be crucified and then pierced, since "they (not he) shall look upon Him whom they pierced". So this is a reference to unbelieving Jews at the Second Coming of Christ. So now this phrase shoots down your theory.
4. And all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him: Jude gives us the reason why they will wail because of Him: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. So every phrase and clause in this verse totally refutes any nonsense about the Second Coming being identical to the Resurrection/Rapture.
Which means that you and others who hold to this erroneous view will need to go back to square one and totally revise your eschatology.
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You do believe in the rapture when Jesus will come in clouds of glory and every eye shall see Him. He will gather His church and He will begin to reign. All your nay saying doesn't count for a tin of beans, it will happen.
The prayer will be answered "Your kingdom come Your will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven"
He reigns now among mortal men so what's your beef? the only difference is now He reigns in secret [so far as the world is concerned] but then He will reign manifestly.
The 1, 000 years is the time when He will put all His enemies under His feet, the last enemy to be defeated is death. BILLIONS WILL BE SAVED ... according to you billions will perish
But the rebels will be punished with all the punishments spoken about in Revelations.
Christ's 2nd coming is not the end of the world, it is the end of the age.
The prayer will be answered "Your kingdom come Your will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven"
He reigns now among mortal men so what's your beef? the only difference is now He reigns in secret [so far as the world is concerned] but then He will reign manifestly.
The 1, 000 years is the time when He will put all His enemies under His feet, the last enemy to be defeated is death. BILLIONS WILL BE SAVED ... according to you billions will perish
But the rebels will be punished with all the punishments spoken about in Revelations.
Christ's 2nd coming is not the end of the world, it is the end of the age.
""" have quoted many verses to show how Jesus will come in Glory and that the pre trib rapture is not founded in the bible.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world.
Matthew 24:21, 22. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved."""
We both believe he comes in glory after the trib.
The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.
Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!
I can accept VALID components .
No problem at all.
However you need to reevalute a few things.
"""The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.
Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened! """
You arbitrarily, out of no where assigned the 144k to the innumerable number in rev 7.
1 ....The 144k are tribal Jews. Strict lineage and born Jews.
2.... The Jews are ushered to safety. ...the elect...they alone get the special protection to be raptured later in rev 14.
3... ONLY the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions. ...and they are believers already sealed by the Holy Spirit at salvation...yet get another seal SPECIFICALLY against the stings.
4... The ac murders via decapitation EVERYONE ON THE PLANET refusing the mark. (bingo..the innumerable number we see before the throne in rev 7)
the 144k are JEWISH (STRICTLY AND EXCLUSIVELY JEWISH) FIRSTFRUITS.
JEWISH FIRSTFRUITS.
I got more also if you like.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world.
Matthew 24:21, 22. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved."""
We both believe he comes in glory after the trib.
The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.
Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened!
I can accept VALID components .
No problem at all.
However you need to reevalute a few things.
"""The Bible describes the 144,000 as "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Revelation 7:14.
Jesus made the following statement immediately after mentioning the tribulation: "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22. If the elect were not in the world during the great tribulation, they would not need the days to be shortened! """
You arbitrarily, out of no where assigned the 144k to the innumerable number in rev 7.
1 ....The 144k are tribal Jews. Strict lineage and born Jews.
2.... The Jews are ushered to safety. ...the elect...they alone get the special protection to be raptured later in rev 14.
3... ONLY the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions. ...and they are believers already sealed by the Holy Spirit at salvation...yet get another seal SPECIFICALLY against the stings.
4... The ac murders via decapitation EVERYONE ON THE PLANET refusing the mark. (bingo..the innumerable number we see before the throne in rev 7)
the 144k are JEWISH (STRICTLY AND EXCLUSIVELY JEWISH) FIRSTFRUITS.
JEWISH FIRSTFRUITS.
I got more also if you like.
"""I have quoted many verses to show how Jesus will come in Glory and that the pre trib rapture is not founded in the bible.
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world.
Matthew 24:21, 22. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved.""""
We both believe Jesus returns in power and war fiercely to destroy the ac and his army.....Postrib
The rapture verses you purposely leave out make the case for the correct view...PRETRIB RAPTURE.
Of course you do not look at them or study outside you view.
Sad you purposefully do that
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus said that a terrible time of trouble would come upon the world just before His return and that it would be more intense than any other in the history of this world.
Matthew 24:21, 22. "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved.""""
We both believe Jesus returns in power and war fiercely to destroy the ac and his army.....Postrib
The rapture verses you purposely leave out make the case for the correct view...PRETRIB RAPTURE.
Of course you do not look at them or study outside you view.
Sad you purposefully do that