you said i was mixing up two events. The coming of Jesus in great glory. and the secret rapture.
i find no evidence for the secret rapture. it is a fairy tale invented by people in the past.
But the reason why you think they are a separate thing is because the wrath of God is not poured out on the saved.
The final judgements are different to the everyday trials in that men create these for each other, but the example of Israel in Egypt is not that different and the flood is not that different. We have examples from the past where God poured out His wrath on mankind and saved His people through the trials. Jesus is my ark to come through the trials.
Can God save His people through the trials? Can Gods people be protected from Gods wrath? The blood above the door (the pass over)....
As Christians that are confident in Jesus and confident in His salvation they are not fearful of the coming trials. No fear in Gods perfect love.
You are contradicting yourself in that Gods people can not be here for the final wrath and yet people will be saved in that final wrath.
i find no evidence for the secret rapture. it is a fairy tale invented by people in the past.
But the reason why you think they are a separate thing is because the wrath of God is not poured out on the saved.
The final judgements are different to the everyday trials in that men create these for each other, but the example of Israel in Egypt is not that different and the flood is not that different. We have examples from the past where God poured out His wrath on mankind and saved His people through the trials. Jesus is my ark to come through the trials.
Can God save His people through the trials? Can Gods people be protected from Gods wrath? The blood above the door (the pass over)....
As Christians that are confident in Jesus and confident in His salvation they are not fearful of the coming trials. No fear in Gods perfect love.
You are contradicting yourself in that Gods people can not be here for the final wrath and yet people will be saved in that final wrath.
Again, why leave out verses in an honest discussion????????