The Law Debacle Resolved

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Re: The Law Debacle Resolved

Originally Posted by PeterJens

This language I do not agree with. We do not engrave the law in our hearts, the Holy Spirit has put it into our hearts.
There is not anymore a written law in the way you suggest.



HeRoseFromTheDead..."I agree with this wholeheartedly, except for the fact that the spirit has not written anything in our hearts. That's all a metaphor pointing to the reality of the spirit itself dwelling in our hearts speaking the words of GOD. It's a living reality; life itself. The law of life's spirit in Christ."


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Dear reader,

I have noticed some people believe in simple interactions they have a right to accuse others of lying, of being deceptive, of not walking in the Lord, but have nothing but gut feel. This is what is commonly called slander.

Now I have been in this place myself, until I talked honestly with people about where they were and how they got there.

There is a real problem in this world, people who are truly disfunctional for many reasons, and those who have a reasonable take on life. Into this mix we have the gospel, which offers to take sinners or people who openly admit their failings, and who trust Jesus to being functional right living individuals.

Now I live in the middle of people who have no heart but act as if they live correctly. Attacking me being a witness is this world is not what would be called constructive behaviour. All I can suggest is lingering animosity still resides about being less than able from the past, means any talk about right living is ridiculed. But we are called to live right lives, empowered by Jesus, showing His love. So if christians attack their brothers for living the truth, then they have lost the very treasure they claim to possess, and it is just about making enemies, us and them, nothing more, no matter who the them are.

This is spiritual blindness, claiming one can see, but falling for the same problem they claim others have all along. This is tragic and also poetic.
i can relate to your frustration. One of them accused me of needing medication
 

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When the OP was posted, the "solution" given was thought to be completely to the point, and for that matter, final.

It is very bizarre for anyone who believes Jesus Christ is Savior and our Master to have anything at all to say against that solution.

My head still spins when thinking about the continuous rejection of obeying the teachings of Jesus Chrsit and following His Example as best we each are given to do so. It boggles the mind.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and all others to come to His Salvation, amen.
 
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i can relate to your frustration. One of them accused me of needing medication

See here is the issue, And what has been a problem since the beginning of time and why so many people are blinded, and will follow people to hell. and not even know they are headed there.

It is US VS THEM..


Lets not sudy and see what scripture says, They are the enemy so lets nit pick where they are wrong (in what we have been taught they are wrong) and go at them..

Thats why so many responses are pre-programed and so easy to see. It is the religious us vs them mentality.

 

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I am glad you ask this question. Even though I have responded many times to it in several other similar threads.

First of all, w are to love God with all of our hear, soul and understanding,.

We are to obey Jesus Christ, and He is to be the example after Which we are to model ourselves..

He has taught us which laws may be omitted, and which laws should be engraved on the tablets of our hearts, although they used to be in stone and on parchment.

We are no longer bound by laws of the Temple; we are the living stones of the Temple which Jesus, the Chief and the Corner Stone will return to build.

The Levitical (priestly) laws, again for there is not longer a temple, and second we are priests to the Most High God, with Jesus the High Priest.

Sacrifice for sin is One, Jesus Christ, and Once, though we are told to offer the sacrifice of thanksgiving, which makes all sense because all we may offer God is Thanks. Everything is His.

Dietary laws by Jesus Christ's teaching are no longer necessary. Nothing by entering the body defiles the body, it is what may proceed from it, for the heart that defiles the body, lying, murders, adulteries, and all evil intents. Peter's vision of the sheet and the unclean animals and his being commanded to eat is another. Also Paul teaches when we are in the house of unbelievers, we may eat whatever is presented before us as long as it is received with thanks given it is blessed. He adds we should not eat blood, nor anything that ha died of itself, nor anything strangled....... I find most of what I have in my diet is considered clean, but this is just happenstance.

There are ordinances and statues which God said He gave to the Children of Israel that are bad and ought not be followed. I believe He did this to show the hardness of the hearts of so many.

The laws on morality ae good to be studied. Some of the laws are mentioned in the sermon on the mount. You have heard it said an eye for an eye, but Jesus says not turn the other cheek. It is also taught it is better to suffer for doing what is right if it is the will of God than for doing what is wrong. Love God but hate your enemy? No, Love God and pray for those who wrong you.

All of the above is taught in the New Testament by Jesus Christ....that is, if you believe all of the NT isinspired by Him, and I do.

WE obey the law naturally by the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the understanding engraved on our inward parts and hearts. This does not preclude the validity of the laws remaining. For instance, do not plant tow types of seed in the same field. What? Yes! The Sower, Jess, the seed, the Gospel, and the filed, the world or this age..

The gift of faith and the Holy Spirit causes us to obey by our new nature, but it does not mean the law is dead which remains, the curse of the law, death, was destroyed on the cross. You and I no longer have to fear the curs eof the law, and we by no means need to run away from the law for the law, as taught by Jesus Christ, is still quite valid. It is filled with God's wisdom.

When we do not do as well as the perfect One, Jesus, we are living in grace because of our faith. We confess our sins, that is our breaking any laws, and our High Priest is the Mediator between us and our Father, as is written.

If the law were not still to be observed as best we can, with no fear of death, there would be no need of our Mediator to speak always on our behalf. Meanwhile we obey, and be perfected by God in us as our way is being finishes in this age.

If the question is not to the satisfaction of all, this is not due to a lack of faith in Jesus Christ.


I do believe the last several posts directed to me are covered in the above pasted post.
 
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When the OP was posted, the "solution" given was thought to be completely to the point, and for that matter, final.

It is very bizarre for anyone who believes Jesus Christ is Savior and our Master to have anything at all to say against that solution.

My head still spins when thinking about the continuous rejection of obeying the teachings of Jesus Chrsit and following His Example as best we each are given to do so. It boggles the mind.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and all others to come to His Salvation, amen.

1603 responses. And the law debate still rages on.

And you think it is over..

Well what should we expect. You think an older brother of a prodigal son who got angry was never in sin.. even though he broke many of Gods oral commands..

I guess the law debate again is not over.
 
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See here is the issue, And what has been a problem since the beginning of time and why so many people are blinded, and will follow people to hell. and not even know they are headed there.

It is US VS THEM..


Lets not sudy and see what scripture says, They are the enemy so lets nit pick where they are wrong (in what we have been taught they are wrong) and go at them..

Thats why so many responses are pre-programed and so easy to see. It is the religious us vs them mentality.

Yes, that's all it will ever be
 
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I don't have an answer yet. "How do we do what Jesus did and taught" You have given me your opinion but not a scriptural answer.


When the OP was posted, the "solution" given was thought to be completely to the point, and for that matter, final.

It is very bizarre for anyone who believes Jesus Christ is Savior and our Master to have anything at all to say against that solution.

My head still spins when thinking about the continuous rejection of obeying the teachings of Jesus Chrsit and following His Example as best we each are given to do so. It boggles the mind.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and all others to come to His Salvation, amen.
 

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When the OP was posted, the "solution" given was thought to be completely to the point, and for that matter, final.

It is very bizarre for anyone who believes Jesus Christ is Savior and our Master to have anything at all to say against that solution.

My head still spins when thinking about the continuous rejection of obeying the teachings of Jesus Chrsit and following His Example as best we each are given to do so. It boggles the mind.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and all others to come to His Salvation, amen.
I questioned "following His example" by asking about us 'walking on water', 'fasting 40 days in a desert' and 'healing the eyes of the blind'. Your response? You accused me of nitpicking. So the clarification is still needed without an accusatory reply.
 
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We do what Jesus did and what he teaches through the Holy spirit living in us. Resting in Jesus grace and spirit and we will walk as best we can in Him.

Matthew 11:30 Holman Christian Standard Bible
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

John 5:19 Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then Jesus replied, "I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does these things in the same way.

We do the same by resting in Christ. Jesus is our perfect example we rest in. I of course am still dealing with self and the flesh. and the law of sin.



Any kind of law abiding garbage we can come up with is just self righteous/works confusion.



I do believe the last several posts directed to me are covered in the above pasted post.
 
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JaumeJ

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I responded,d to that question this morning (here). Why not go back and read it..............


I don't have an answer yet. "How do we do what Jesus did and taught" You have given me your opinion but not a scriptural answer.
 

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All of this has been addressed............

We do what Jesus did and what he teaches through the Holy spirit living in us. Resting in Jesus grace and spirit and we will walk as best we can in Him.

Matthew 11:30 Holman Christian Standard Bible
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

John 5:19 Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then Jesus replied, "I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does these things in the same way.

We do the same by resting in Christ. Jesus is our perfect example we rest in. I of course am still dealing with self and the flesh. and the law of sin.



Any kind of law abiding garbage we can come up with is just self righteous/works confusion.
 
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And I answered your question, but the thing I came back on you is how can you personal tell if a overweight person who goes to the same church as you is do to gluttony or do to a medical disorder ???

That is why I mentioned that is because we have to be careful before just labeling a person one way or the other !!!
You sure add to and twist other people's posts for someone who ALWAYS states he doesn't do that. I said gluttony and suddenly you're talking about medical conditions and people in church.

By your words you are vindicated and by your words you are condemned. Your own words condemn you once again. Adding to someone else's post in order to twist the truth and push an agenda; an agenda that is contrary to the full and complete saving grace of Jesus Christ.
 

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People have responded.

You sure add to and twist other people's posts for someone who ALWAYS states he doesn't do that. I said gluttony and suddenly you're talking about medical conditions and people in church.

By your words you are vindicated and by your words you are condemned. Your own words condemn you once again. Adding to someone else's post in order to twist the truth and push an agenda; an agenda that is contrary to the full and complete saving grace of Jesus Christ.
I know of a woman who weighed over 200 pounds while carrying her fifth child. She was 5'2". She was poor, and had a poor man's diet of lots of beans, food cooked in lard, and more. Poor people tend to be overweight dut to the need to consume more in order to obtain nutrients. Never the less, her baby was born with rickets, which was overcome by diet, mainly drinking pet condensed mild for many years. I was the baby, and my mother did all she could to asure I would be born as healthy a possible. Was my mother sinning? She did "overeat" in order to obtain nutrients for herself and her child.

It is not good to be glib about even hypothetical situations if you ae not fully appraised of all the contributing factors. And please, do not bring up the gluttony angle again, because YES, my mother over ate, and it probably saved my life.
 
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See here is the issue, And what has been a problem since the beginning of time and why so many people are blinded, and will follow people to hell. and not even know they are headed there.

It is US VS THEM..


Lets not sudy and see what scripture says, They are the enemy so lets nit pick where they are wrong (in what we have been taught they are wrong) and go at them..

Thats why so many responses are pre-programed and so easy to see. It is the religious us vs them mentality.

I only see that coming from one direction...and if you're looking in a mirror...you're getting warmer.



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Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 

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Originally Posted by KennethC

And I answered your question, but the thing I came back on you is how can you personal tell if a overweight person who goes to the same church as you is do to gluttony or do to a medical disorder ???

That is why I mentioned that is because we have to be careful before just labeling a person one way or the other !!!



Why should it matter to others, what a person's weight is caused by? I mean, it's not anyone else's business, and I think it's rude to ponder on it or ask them about it: "excuse me but why are you so fat?" Obesity is caused by a multitude of things, yet most commonly, some people see an obese person and say "wow she must really shovel in the food." I've actually heard people say that before and it's disgusting. :/

* Not calling Kenneth or Utah rude* lol

 
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It is US VS THEM..

Thats why so many responses are pre-programed and so easy to see. It is the religious us vs them mentality.
That is exactly what you are doing. You decided I believed something, then said I was lying.
You then went off and grouped me with someone else. It is you who appear pre-programed, not looking at scripture, and making assumptions.

How is it you the accuser, you the one combating people, calling them religious etc. as a negative term are not you doing what you are now critizing. I do not mean anyone else but you. I know your baptist background, your criticism of people following rules and not love, but I am not one of them. I am not a rule maker, but I am a supporter of right living, doing good works and rejoicing in the Lord. This is meant to be our glory, not our shame or hypocracy.

That is why you puzzle me so. I cannot take you seriously though you do so ever want to be so relevant.
 
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That is exactly what you are doing. You decided I believed something, then said I was lying.
You then went off and grouped me with someone else. It is you who appear pre-programed, not looking at scripture, and making assumptions.

How is it you the accuser, you the one combating people, calling them religious etc. as a negative term are not you doing what you are now critizing. I do not mean anyone else but you. I know your baptist background, your criticism of people following rules and not love, but I am not one of them. I am not a rule maker, but I am a supporter of right living, doing good works and rejoicing in the Lord. This is meant to be our glory, not our shame or hypocracy.

That is why you puzzle me so. I cannot take you seriously though you do so ever want to be so relevant.
Someone posted a study a few days ago about the water of the word. It was a very good study, but it disappeared from the main page within an hour.

When just scriptures are shared, not many take an interest.

Sometimes I think those types of posts get ignored because some don't like the person that posted them. The fact remains that many times, those threads are filled with only scriptures and because of opinion, an awesome message gets ignored. :(

The same thing has happened on this thread where a person posted a reply with only scripture, and it floated on by in favor of debate. :(
 
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That is exactly what you are doing. You decided I believed something, then said I was lying.
You then went off and grouped me with someone else. It is you who appear pre-programed, not looking at scripture, and making assumptions.
Dude, we got on a topic if someone was saved or not. And you went on some rant of how we should treat a brother or sister in Christ. (a pre-programmed response I may add)

So get over yourself. You still have not answered the question of how one is saved. You just continue to give pre-programmed responses. (you forget I grew up in your church, even though you are far and above even what all those churches I attended would do.


How is it you the accuser, you the one combating people, calling them religious etc. as a negative term are not you doing what you are now critizing. I do not mean anyone else but you. I know your baptist background, your criticism of people following rules and not love, but I am not one of them. I am not a rule maker, but I am a supporter of right living, doing good works and rejoicing in the Lord. This is meant to be our glory, not our shame or hypocracy.

That is why you puzzle me so. I cannot take you seriously though you do so ever want to be so relevant.

DUDE, WHAT IS THE GOSPEL?

How can ANYONE TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY when YOU NEVER ANSWER ANYONES QUESTIONS. GET ANGRY WHEN SONEONE SAYS YOUR WRONG. YET YOU COTNINUE TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES.

You stated something about me which was a lie. I called you out on it. YOU DO NOT LIKE IT. STOP LIEING ABOUT WHAT I BELIEVE, AND START TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT>
 
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I know of a woman who weighed over 200 pounds while carrying her fifth child. She was 5'2". She was poor, and had a poor man's diet of lots of beans, food cooked in lard, and more. Poor people tend to be overweight dut to the need to consume more in order to obtain nutrients. Never the less, her baby was born with rickets, which was overcome by diet, mainly drinking pet condensed mild for many years. I was the baby, and my mother did all she could to asure I would be born as healthy a possible. Was my mother sinning? She did "overeat" in order to obtain nutrients for herself and her child.

It is not good to be glib about even hypothetical situations if you ae not fully appraised of all the contributing factors. And please, do not bring up the gluttony angle again, because YES, my mother over ate, and it probably saved my life.
So you're excusing her sin because she is your mother. Your stripes are on full display, hypocrite. How about not bringing someone into the world when you don't have the financial means or an environment that is conducive to healthy living for the child?

Now I don't actually adhere to the tenets of the above words I just posted, but they are food for thought.

But one tenet I do hold to is, that people who always condemn others for their sins, always seem to have a rationalizing excuse regarding their own sins. Funny how that works, isn't it?
 
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