The Law Debacle Resolved

PeterJens · Oct 13, 2015

There is some strange idea in your head. Ever hear of the 4 spiritual laws in regard to salvation. That is what I preach.
I have no ranting or pre-programmed responses. You are so lost in your own ideas.

Base on you responses, you border on being a troll, so I cannot take you seriously.

Please if I stated something about you that was incorrect, I am happy to correct it, but maybe the joke is now too far gone. lol

blue_ladybug · Oct 13, 2015

Originally Posted by JaumeJ

I know of a woman who weighed over 200 pounds while carrying her fifth child. She was 5'2". She was poor, and had a poor man's diet of lots of beans, food cooked in lard, and more. Poor people tend to be overweight dut to the need to consume more in order to obtain nutrients. Never the less, her baby was born with rickets, which was overcome by diet, mainly drinking pet condensed mild for many years. I was the baby, and my mother did all she could to asure I would be born as healthy a possible. Was my mother sinning? She did "overeat" in order to obtain nutrients for herself and her child.

It is not good to be glib about even hypothetical situations if you ae not fully appraised of all the contributing factors. And please, do not bring up the gluttony angle again, because YES, my mother over ate, and it probably saved my life.

The part bolded in black above is completely untrue. I know SEVERAL poor people, and homeless people, and NONE of them are overweight or even remotely fat.. And MOST women eat extra anyway, while pregnant, not only to give the baby nutrients, but because their constantly hungry and now eating for two, or more.. So eating extra while pregnant really has nothing to do with gluttony, as much as it has to do with NECESSITY.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

Originally Posted by JaumeJ

I know of a woman who weighed over 200 pounds while carrying her fifth child. She was 5'2". She was poor, and had a poor man's diet of lots of beans, food cooked in lard, and more. Poor people tend to be overweight dut to the need to consume more in order to obtain nutrients. Never the less, her baby was born with rickets, which was overcome by diet, mainly drinking pet condensed mild for many years. I was the baby, and my mother did all she could to asure I would be born as healthy a possible. Was my mother sinning? She did "overeat" in order to obtain nutrients for herself and her child.

It is not good to be glib about even hypothetical situations if you ae not fully appraised of all the contributing factors. And please, do not bring up the gluttony angle again, because YES, my mother over ate, and it probably saved my life.

The part bolded in black above is completely untrue. I know SEVERAL poor people, and homeless people, and NONE of them are overweight or even remotely fat.. And MOST women eat extra anyway, while pregnant, not only to give the baby nutrients, but because their constantly hungry and now eating for two, or more.. So eating extra while pregnant really has nothing to do with gluttony, as much as it has to do with NECESSITY.

Thats why we should never judge anyone. Who are we to judge??

PeterJens · Oct 13, 2015

Dear reader,

When ever someone uses the term - pre-programmed response be careful. They have heard the words before and jump to an idea they believe is what the writer means. It would be hard for me to have a pre-programmed response because I am my own programmer, I am not part of a system or group other than the Kingdom.

On a side note, as a group of christians we were sharing with muslims on line. Though we were complete strangers to each other we time and again shared the same points. If you want a witness of the Holy Spirit that is it. So be very careful because God speaks through His people, time and again, and we serve One God, Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Magenta · Oct 13, 2015

Least said:

There are a number of people here who copy and paste posts/blogs from other sources, and it is true they do not get a lot of attention, probably in part because the sources are sometimes seen as heretical. One or two people used to get attention because they never gave the sources they were plagiarizing from, until they started giving the source. Now they are largely ignored.

Utah · Oct 13, 2015

JaumeJ said:

I didn't put you on ignore, I just had enough of your nonsense for one day and ignored you for a while. Today is a new day and I'm refreshed. But I will admit that I doubt your sincerity regarding keeping me in your prayers. Talk is cheap for most people, and you're just like most people. Be insulted if you will, but at least you know where I stand with you.

zzz98 · Oct 13, 2015

PeterJens said:

There is some strange idea in your head. Ever hear of the 4 spiritual laws in regard to salvation. That is what I preach.
I have no ranting or pre-programmed responses. You are so lost in your own ideas.

Base on you responses, you border on being a troll, so I cannot take you seriously.

Please if I stated something about you that was incorrect, I am happy to correct it, but maybe the joke is now too far gone. lol

I totally agree

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2015

PeterJens said:

Here is what I know. Your like your brothers and sisters before you who are no longer here who can never answer a question, But all you can do is give responses like this, Which no one could honestly figure out what you believe.

its like your afraid to take a stance.

I have only asked you how many threads now to correct it? and to stick on topic.

Now you go to the other pre-programmed responses. or as we like to call them in CC Chat strawmen arguments,

Thats ok. You are starting to show yourself every time you respond now, thats the other thing about legalists. You keep pushing them, it will finally come out.

So keep on a going, You will be with your brothers and sisters.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2015

zzz98 said:

yep. they stick together. I guess the feel better when they are in numbers,, Afraid to go out alone/ I guess having God to have your back is not good enough (it is his word)

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2015

PeterJens said:

keep on digging your hole bud.

Are you going to share how a person gets to heaven or not? Why are you so afraid? Only your people are sticking up for you now. But your posts are out there for the whole world to see. why are you so afraid?

Brother_Don · Oct 13, 2015

As the Op stated, The Law debacle has been resolved. It's all about Jesus, and only those with ears to hear it and eyes to see it, know what that means.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2015

Brother_Don said:

If it is all about Jesus, Then how can anyone ever lose salvation. Purchased by the blood of Jesus.

why are you all so afraid to answer?

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2015

Brother_Don said:

Oh and buy the way, Those of us who know the answer to that question. Know what as you say "it means"

it is those who do not, that can not understand it, and why the OP is incorrect, because the debate will NEVER BE RESOLVED.

Just because he says it does, does not make it true.

PeterJens · Oct 13, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

I had respect for you, now I wonder who you are. The 4 spiritual laws
1. God loves you and wants you to be part of His kingdom
2. You are a sinner and separated from God because of your sin
3. Jesus Christ lived, died and rose again so that you can be forgiven and gain communion with Lord
4. Acceptance - You need to reach out in faith and accept Jesus as your Lord to walk in it.

Now I wonder what you gain by asking this. I am sure you believe the same.
Now walking in righteousness comes from the Holy Spirit, inspiring the Word of God through our hearts.

These means love permeates all aspects of your life from praise, to prayer, to confession, to repentance, to forgiveness, to good works, to your daily work, to your words you share with everyone and anyone.

I have walked with the Lord many years and I rejoice more now than ever before. Hallelujah.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:22-23

So where is your answer? Where is you legalist response? Can you not tell who is friend and who is foe?

The problem is this is not your job. Jesus commanded us to bear fruit, not weed out the church. If you are good fruit you will bear it, and the love of Jesus will spread. It cannot be stopped, it is life spreading everywhere.

The spirit you bring is judgementalism and accusation. I do not read that in scripture, or does my heart say I should do such things, or spread slander and defame my brothers and sisters. What good word have you got to say about my sharing?

If you have none, that speaks about where you walk in the spirit or the flesh.

Utah · Oct 13, 2015

blue_ladybug said:

Originally Posted by JaumeJ

I know of a woman who weighed over 200 pounds while carrying her fifth child. She was 5'2". She was poor, and had a poor man's diet of lots of beans, food cooked in lard, and more. Poor people tend to be overweight dut to the need to consume more in order to obtain nutrients. Never the less, her baby was born with rickets, which was overcome by diet, mainly drinking pet condensed mild for many years. I was the baby, and my mother did all she could to asure I would be born as healthy a possible. Was my mother sinning? She did "overeat" in order to obtain nutrients for herself and her child.

It is not good to be glib about even hypothetical situations if you ae not fully appraised of all the contributing factors. And please, do not bring up the gluttony angle again, because YES, my mother over ate, and it probably saved my life.

The part bolded in black above is completely untrue. I know SEVERAL poor people, and homeless people, and NONE of them are overweight or even remotely fat.. And MOST women eat extra anyway, while pregnant, not only to give the baby nutrients, but because their constantly hungry and now eating for two, or more.. So eating extra while pregnant really has nothing to do with gluttony, as much as it has to do with NECESSITY.

Good call on that one, Blue.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 13, 2015

PeterJens said:

So me must walk in it? Can we fall away from it, and lose it?

How can I know we believe the same unless I ask. I have been asking for sometime now. I could just ASSUME, But people seem to get mad when they assume, and I have found that most the time when we assume we are wrong anyway.

see there you go. You can not just stop at the gospel. to make sure we are on the right page or not. You have to put in all those works.

Again, Lets get the first part done first.

and PS No I have never heard of 4 tenants of salvation or spiritual laws or whatever you call them.. where is that in the bible??

Ahwatukee · Oct 13, 2015

Magenta said:

Good Morning Magenta,

Regarding the posting of videos and teachings from other sites, if someone is going to expound on the word of God, then it should be from their own knowledge of scripture and not someone else's teaching. I believe that this practice of getting information off of the internet and then using it to proclaim God's word is apart of the fulfillment of the Scripture which says:

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." (2 Tim.4:3)

The gathering of teachers to me relates to books, seminars, videos, internet, posts, here say, etc. Nothing wrong with other sites, as long as the people doing the searching are being Berean's and sticking with the word of God as the source of truth. What is happening though is that people search the internet and read all of these teachings, posts and watch videos on different biblical topics and those replace and become the word of God. All one has to do is look and we can see the great departure from the truth of scripture all around us.

KennethC · Oct 13, 2015

Kefa54 said:

The Holy Spirit would not deny, teach differently, or guide in any other manner than what the Lord said, and again the Great Commission instructions to the 11 Apostles was to be administered to "ALL" believers from then to the end of time.

Not one of Lord Jesus teachings and commands from the gospel books was done away with in the epistles !!!

PeterJens · Oct 13, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Are you a child, or do you have a psychological problem? When did you last have your counselling session.
You are the guy at the back of church who sits by themselves and everyone avoids because of there massive definition of who is in the kingdom and who is not, and how this preacher is ok and that one not.

I wish you well, but chasing cars never got anyone anywhere.

Least · Oct 13, 2015

Ahwatukee said:

Good Morning Magenta,

Regarding the posting of videos and teachings from other sites, if someone is going to expound on the word of God, then it should be from their own knowledge of scripture and not someone else's teaching. I believe that this practice of getting information off of the internet and then using it to proclaim God's word is apart of the fulfillment of the Scripture which says:

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." (2 Tim.4:3)

The gathering of teachers to me relates to books, seminars, videos, internet, posts, here say, etc. Nothing wrong with other sites, as long as the people doing the searching are being Berean's and sticking with the word of God as the source of truth. What is happening though is that people search the internet and read all of these teachings, posts and watch videos on different biblical topics and those replace and become the word of God. All one has to do is look and we can see the great departure from the truth of scripture all around us.

That's mainly what I was referring to. Personal studies with only scriptures. I've seen some really great studies that covered every single verse on the subject, just kind of disappear without much notice.

Those are always the best and most edifying kinds of posts. IMO

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