The Law Debacle Resolved
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Both lads were good boys?
Lets see.
The older brother failed to honor his father. Strike 1
The older brother failed to love his brother, strike 2
the older brother was selfish and full of pride Strike 3
(I am sure if we studied deeply we could find more sins the older brother committed. say like he coveted what his brother was getting when he was never offered it) those were just 3 of the commands.
of course I should have known you would say something like this, You people love to excuse your sin.
Lets see.
The older brother failed to honor his father. Strike 1
The older brother failed to love his brother, strike 2
the older brother was selfish and full of pride Strike 3
(I am sure if we studied deeply we could find more sins the older brother committed. say like he coveted what his brother was getting when he was never offered it) those were just 3 of the commands.
of course I should have known you would say something like this, You people love to excuse your sin.
Are you thinking this is a clever question? Here is what you do, you live every word that He has taught. He is life, Life is in the Blood, His Blood, which is the wine. His teaching is His Body; it is the Bread from Heaven.
If you eat His Body and Drink His Blood, you are living as He and doing as He teaches. Living and doing as He teaches is true comunión with Him.
If you eat His Body and Drink His Blood, you are living as He and doing as He teaches. Living and doing as He teaches is true comunión with Him.
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These are Jesus teachings before we have the Holly Spirit. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" The law was still in effect then.
Here is who I live with...
Author of Scripture: (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16)
Comforter / Counselor / Advocate: (Isaiah 11:2; John 14:16; 15:26; 16:7)
Convicter of Sin: (John 16:7-11)
Deposit / Seal / Earnest: (2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14)
Guide: (John 16:13)
Indweller of Believers: (Romans 8:9-11; Ephesians 2:21-22; 1 Corinthians 6:19)
Intercessor: (Romans 8:26)
Revealer / Spirit of Truth: (John 14:17; 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16)
Spirit of God / the Lord / Christ: (Matthew 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 1 Peter 1:11)
Spirit of Life: (Romans 8:2)
Teacher: (John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13)
Witness: (Romans 8:16; Hebrews 2:4; 10:15)
Here is who I live with...
Author of Scripture: (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16)
Comforter / Counselor / Advocate: (Isaiah 11:2; John 14:16; 15:26; 16:7)
Convicter of Sin: (John 16:7-11)
Deposit / Seal / Earnest: (2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14)
Guide: (John 16:13)
Indweller of Believers: (Romans 8:9-11; Ephesians 2:21-22; 1 Corinthians 6:19)
Intercessor: (Romans 8:26)
Revealer / Spirit of Truth: (John 14:17; 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16)
Spirit of God / the Lord / Christ: (Matthew 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 1 Peter 1:11)
Spirit of Life: (Romans 8:2)
Teacher: (John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13)
Witness: (Romans 8:16; Hebrews 2:4; 10:15)
You do not seem to make much sense here. Perhaps I just do not understand you. If you do not love Jesus, you are not His disciple. It is as simple as that. If you love Him, you will keep His commandments. Again, as simple as that. Where do you see we are not supposed to keep His commandments. Commandments from God are not recommendations or serving suggestions, they are truth.
This idea that covenants changed before and after the cross is a miss-understanding of the gospel.
Jesus is the cornerstone, the final part of the total message to mankind, wrapped up in the experience of Israel.
It is the Spirit who enables us to do unto others as they would do unto you, but the word is still there, it is not wiped away.
If you want mysticism alone, become a quaker, or the many other groups who follow this line. It is possible to only rely on what your heart inspires.
Now some have admitted faith works is the fruit of believing in Jesus. Now Paul goes to great lengths talking about food and is it unclean if it has been involved in idolatry. His view is it is food, and idolatry is meaningless, praying to stone items, and we are no longer seen as contaminated by external items, but by own hearts, so it is not a problem. But if it causes another to stumble, then we should be sensitive.
So alcohol is a stumbling block to some, but to me not. I would gladly never drink any of it, if it helps someone.
There are though obvious works against love, like hate, theft, murder, sexual immorality. Walking in the Spirit would never lead us into such activity, so all we are saying is this is important to emphasis, to bring out, to be a light of good things in a dark world.
But is the fear that in reality, too many christians have not resolved these issues, so their is no light, or put it another way, they are still slaves to sin. Is this the reason you compromise and find the idea of loving your brother so hard, or loving me, an honest contributor to this thread. Or emotionally is it easier to make me the enemy and say compromise is ok.
If so where is compromise accepted by Jesus or the apostles? Yes we stumble, and we work at it, but abject defeat?
Having faith in Jesus is about seeing victory in the future, sometime, slowly, beyond points of weakness.
Jesus is the cornerstone, the final part of the total message to mankind, wrapped up in the experience of Israel.
It is the Spirit who enables us to do unto others as they would do unto you, but the word is still there, it is not wiped away.
If you want mysticism alone, become a quaker, or the many other groups who follow this line. It is possible to only rely on what your heart inspires.
Now some have admitted faith works is the fruit of believing in Jesus. Now Paul goes to great lengths talking about food and is it unclean if it has been involved in idolatry. His view is it is food, and idolatry is meaningless, praying to stone items, and we are no longer seen as contaminated by external items, but by own hearts, so it is not a problem. But if it causes another to stumble, then we should be sensitive.
So alcohol is a stumbling block to some, but to me not. I would gladly never drink any of it, if it helps someone.
There are though obvious works against love, like hate, theft, murder, sexual immorality. Walking in the Spirit would never lead us into such activity, so all we are saying is this is important to emphasis, to bring out, to be a light of good things in a dark world.
But is the fear that in reality, too many christians have not resolved these issues, so their is no light, or put it another way, they are still slaves to sin. Is this the reason you compromise and find the idea of loving your brother so hard, or loving me, an honest contributor to this thread. Or emotionally is it easier to make me the enemy and say compromise is ok.
If so where is compromise accepted by Jesus or the apostles? Yes we stumble, and we work at it, but abject defeat?
Having faith in Jesus is about seeing victory in the future, sometime, slowly, beyond points of weakness.
I know of a woman who weighed over 200 pounds while carrying her fifth child. She was 5'2". She was poor, and had a poor man's diet of lots of beans, food cooked in lard, and more. Poor people tend to be overweight dut to the need to consume more in order to obtain nutrients. Never the less, her baby was born with rickets, which was overcome by diet, mainly drinking pet condensed mild for many years. I was the baby, and my mother did all she could to asure I would be born as healthy a possible. Was my mother sinning? She did "overeat" in order to obtain nutrients for herself and her child.
It is not good to be glib about even hypothetical situations if you ae not fully appraised of all the contributing factors. And please, do not bring up the gluttony angle again, because YES, my mother over ate, and it probably saved my life.
It is not good to be glib about even hypothetical situations if you ae not fully appraised of all the contributing factors. And please, do not bring up the gluttony angle again, because YES, my mother over ate, and it probably saved my life.
You should be concerned, when I meet one such I will warn him. Until then stop reading your accusations into possts all to the contrary, got it? It is judging others as not being in the grace of Jesus Christ by faith, and you do not want to be guilty of this. Now if you keep ignoring this, you may become guilty of sin.
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We do not start talking about one subject, then switch subjects mid stream. and then judge and condemn someone becuse they want to stick to the origional subject. And then lie about what they believe.
Non of this response concerned the gospel of Jesus Christ and who is saved or not. Again, if your not going to stick to the subject. They why bother responding?
We can not talk about how a child of God should live if we do not first figure out how a perosn becomes a child of God. Your putting the cart before the horse my friend.
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LOL so you believe the Holly Spirit is a NT concept??? 
What makes me concerned is that people ignore the verse stating we serve a God that does not change...
What makes me concerned is that people ignore the verse stating we serve a God that does not change...
he has never changed, People today recieve eternal life they way adam did, The way Abraham and noah Did, Long before the law of moses was even given.
The problem is, people want to do what the jews did, and not learn from the jewish mistakes.
"We do not" - I think you are not really here.
The word is joker. You believe you are saved by faith in Jesus. I believe that also.
You have a paranoia which I am choosing to ignore because you are accusing me of lying.
Please tell me what you think I believe, as you say I am lying about it.
You seem to think if people talk about righteousness it is related to salvation and not walking in the Spirit. Why is that? Have you never met people walking in a right way in the Spirit?
On the subject of salvation, I have declared at length what I believe why and how? Is it your memory is deficient, you are suffering from an illness, but repeating the same things is just pointless. This is not an interogation session, with you the big agressor bring down a hypocrite.
By definition this is what is called judgementalism. Have you got the grace to accept I walk in faith, in love and in Jesus?
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