The Law of Sin and Death vs. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus

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FreeNChrist said:
I understand the concept. It is a construct to get around 1 John 1:9. Which when properly understood, needs no work-around.
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what a strange thing to say. I Jon 1.7-2.2 is quite plain and is speaking about forgiveness to believers (2.2). I suspect it is YOU who are 'constructing'.
 
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heavenly_bound said:
and also "fully come" doesn't imply that part of the kingdom has come and another is to come latter. its crazy to think so. Because the kingdom of God is God Himself(the trinity) The kingdom has come and it will be fully manifested; apparent, come forth to the lamp light for everyone to see. That is the meaning of "fully come". And by the way, the kingdom of God is not a geographical location. for if it were a location thenn it would not be eternal. you think its a geographical location; that why you can say that part of it has come and the other is yet to come.
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the sphere of the kingly rule of God is constantly coming as men and women are joined to it and are saved:)
 
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And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Acts 9:26 (KJV, MBM)

and several other places in the Book of Acts, we find "disciples".
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i knew you were going to point that passage§ pls do kindly show me where else you have the word disciple? look there is something you are forgetting here; that the early church was still in its infancy state; They still had the old testament paradigm of thinking and doing things( they still went to pray in the temple/synagogue)until the Lord gradually revealed to them what actually transpired at the cross( the mutual indwelling of the believer and Christ). And from then henceforth, the believers were no longer called disciples but Christians/ saints
 
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heavenly_bound said:
i knew you were going to point that passage§ pls do kindly show me where else you have the word disciple? look there is something you are forgetting here; that the early church was still in its infancy state; They still had the old testament paradigm of thinking and doing things( they still went to pray in the temple/synagogue)until the Lord gradually revealed to them what actually transpired at the cross( the mutual indwelling of the believer and Christ). And from then henceforth, the believers were no longer called disciples but Christians/ saints
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uh huh. you know so much that even the Bible can't get it right!
 
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valiant said:
the sphere of the kingly rule of God is constantly coming as men and women are joined to it and are saved:)
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of course we both know that His kingdom is both Spiritual and physical but that is not what i was talking about. maybe i should put it this way where was the kingdom of God before anything or the heavens where created? Bare in mind that before creation, there was nothing but God, in His Trinity
 
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uh huh. you know so much that even the Bible can't get it right!
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stop accusing and respond pls. accusations don't edify and they mean nothing to me you know.
 
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stop accusing and respond pls. accusations don't edify and they mean nothing to me you know.
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that was not an accusation lady.
I just proved that what you said was wrong.
you said the word "disciple" was not used after the ascension.
It was used several times after the ascension.
what else can we talk about now?
whatever I say, even when I post verses, you disagree with it.
 
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that was not an accusation lady.
I just proved that what you said was wrong.
you said the word "disciple" was not used after the ascension.
It was used several times after the ascension.
what else can we talk about now?
whatever I say, even when I post verses, you disagree with it.
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thats not true gentle man lol! when i respond to your post, i make sure that i cover all of it, but what do you do with mine, you just select the section you disagree with and comment on. sometimes you don't even respond with a copy before commenting. why do you do that?
 
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heavenly_bound said:
thats not true gentle man lol! when i respond to your post, i make sure that i cover all of it, but what do you do with mine, you just select the section you disagree with and comment on. sometimes you don't even respond with a copy before commenting. why do you do that?
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I usually don't post long statements or rebuttals.
just my way I guess.
it is clear we don't agree on some things.
but hey, I could be wrong on lots of things.
hang in there.
 
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Originally Posted by FreeNChrist

I understand the concept. It is a construct to get around 1 John 1:9. Which when properly understood, needs no work-around.
valiant said:
what a strange thing to say. I Jon 1.7-2.2 is quite plain and is speaking about forgiveness to believers (2.2). I suspect it is YOU who are 'constructing'.
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Jn wrote that epistle to fight Gnosticism that had infiltrated the church; He was not addressing directly addressing the believer in Christ. the agnostics taught that matter is evil therefore Christ was not incarnate and He did not die for the sins of humanity. so pls try to understand what my sis was saying
 
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I usually don't post long statements or rebuttals.
just my way I guess.
it is clear we don't agree on some things.
but hey, I could be wrong on lots of things.
hang in there.
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lol! what does hang in there means? as you must have noticed English is not my first language.
 
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sister, do all the "believers" you know walk in "God-likeness" 24/7?
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We sin In the flesh but for the person that has been born of the Spirit of GOD,their spirit Is saved and sealed.

The Spirit gives life,the flesh does not give life.

GOD looks at the heart,man looks at outward appearances.
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Romans 4:1-2
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1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
 
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disciplemike said:
with respect ma'am,
that is baloney.
This is the prayer He taught His disciples to use.
He did not say, "after I die, never say this prayer again".

why do you and a few others love to label something as "anti-Christ"?
I'm sorry, but to say the prayer that the Messiah taught is NOT anti-Christ.
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To say the words of Jesus Christ are antichrist is BLASPHEMY! The spirit of antichrist is the spirit of a lie, Jesus spoke by the Spirit of Truth. To attribute the works of the Spirit to the works of the Devil is BLASPHEMY!
 
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Originally Posted by valiant


That is talking about overall forgiveness. But there is also personal forgiveness, as mentioned in 1 John 1.7-2.2. The first brings salvation. The second brings a restored relationship. The two must never be mixed up.


FreeNChrist said:
I understand the concept. It is a construct to get around 1 John 1:9. Which when properly understood, needs no work-around.
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There is a whole thread that is dedicated to the theory of parental forgiveness and restored fellowship for those that are interested in this subject. In this thread in the link below we can see both views and allow the Spirit of God to show us things about the work of Christ for us.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-forgiveness-rebuilding-veil-jesus-broke.html
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
We sin In the flesh but for the person that has been born of the Spirit of GOD,their spirit Is saved and sealed.

The Spirit gives life,the flesh does not give life.

GOD looks at the heart,man looks at outward appearances.
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Romans 4:1-2
King James Version(KJV)

1.)What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2.)For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
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Looking at the outward appearance.
We better be looking.
Some of the sweet saved saints might be secretly seeing the piano player on the side.
 
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heavenly_bound said:
of course we both know that His kingdom is both Spiritual and physical but that is not what i was talking about. maybe i should put it this way where was the kingdom of God before anything or the heavens where created? Bare in mind that before creation, there was nothing but God, in His Trinity
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in eternity the kingly rule of God was where God was :) It is the sphere of His kingly rule.
 
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Act 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.

Act 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,




Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;


One follows Jesus from the heart, not physically.
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pls read the post i shared on the the church at its infancy!! That is what acts of apostles is all about. The problem is that when want to use the church at its infancy to justify our doctrines we only end up with a weak representation of the work of Christ. all the passages you have quoted have no revelation of the believer's union with Christ . As the church in acts progressed to maturity, they we thought the mysteries of the mutual indwelling; Christ in the believer and the believer in Christ. they we no more called disciples but Christians( the inchristed ones meaning those in whom Christ dwells/
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
To say the words of Jesus Christ are antichrist is BLASPHEMY! The spirit of antichrist is the spirit of a lie, Jesus spoke by the Spirit of Truth. To attribute the works of the Spirit to the works of the Devil is BLASPHEMY!
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why din't you quote me before commenting?
 
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