The Letter to the Romans...

homwardbound · May 8, 2014

It is through Faith that one hears and obeys knowing Father's voice
John 10:3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep hear his voice and come to him; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
John 10:3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep hear his voice and come to him; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

homwardbound · May 8, 2014

[h=3]Romans 10[/h]Living Bible (TLB)

10 Dear brothers, the longing of my heart and my prayer is that the Jewish people might be saved. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I know what enthusiasm they have for the honor of God, but it is misdirected zeal. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For they don’t understand that Christ has died to make them right with God. Instead they are trying to make themselves good enough to gain God’s favor by keeping the Jewish laws and customs, but that is not God’s way of salvation.

[h=3]Romans 10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Israel Needs the Gospel[/h]10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel[SUP][a][/SUP] is that they may be saved. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

pretty clear to me, no comment need I think showing to versions to bring home it is by Faith not Law that we are saved. praying for us all to give up our self wills that get in the way

Hoffco · May 8, 2014

I am praying for others to comment on the two sides of salvation. God loves, elects, calls, justifies; How and when does our faith and holiness get involved, without holiness no one will be saved, If we remain disobedient and unbelieving as Israel, we are not saved . Love to all, Hoffco

homwardbound · May 9, 2014

Hoffco said:

Agreed, Brother agreed, hey I just came across this in Romans this morning and I know we have gone over it in Romans, just stuck out to me, and yes hope others ar least read and hear and post too
Romans 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Romans 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

Romans 4:24 but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

SeaBass · May 9, 2014

homwardbound said:

Romans 6:1-4

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6 Well then, shall we keep on sinning so that God can keep on showing us more and more kindness and forgiveness?

[SUP]2-3 [/SUP]Of course not! Should we keep on sinning when we don’t have to? For sin’s power over us was broken when we became Christians and were baptized to become a part of Jesus Christ; through his death the power of your sinful nature was shattered. [SUP]4[/SUP]Your old sin-loving nature was buried with him by baptism when he died; and when God the Father, with glorious power, brought him back to life again, you were given his wonderful new life to enjoy.

The Baptism Brother does not say water, nor of the Spirit, and yet since we are to be baptized by the Spirit as a gift from Father and not of works, and are baptized in Christ by his death, see verse 4 below. It is spirit baptism as John spoke of, sorry you are not seeing this if God willing you will.
Romans 6:4 Your old sin-loving nature was buried with him by baptism when he died; and when God the Father, with glorious power, brought him back to life again, you were given his wonderful new life to enjoy.
Romans 6:5

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[SUP]5 [/SUP]For you have become a part of him, and so you died with him, so to speak, when he died; and now you share his new life and shall rise as he did.

Romans 6:6

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[SUP]6 [/SUP]Your old evil desires were nailed to the cross with him; that part of you that loves to sin was crushed and fatally wounded, so that your sin-loving body is no longer under sin’s control, no longer needs to be a slave to sin;

Romans 6:7

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[SUP]7 [/SUP]for when you are deadened to sin you are freed from all its allure and its power over you.

Romans 6:8

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[SUP]8 [/SUP]And since your old sin-loving nature “died” with Christ, we know that you will share his new life.

Romans 6:9

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[SUP]9 [/SUP]Christ rose from the dead and will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him.

Romans 6:10

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[SUP]10 [/SUP]He died once for all to end sin’s power, but now he lives forever in unbroken fellowship with God.

Romans 6:11

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[SUP]11[/SUP]So look upon your old sin nature as dead and unresponsive to sin, and instead be alive to God, alert to him, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So either one believes through the death, burial and resurrected Christ they are saved, no doubts or they stumble about and live like a refugee, riding the fence as iot seems to me this is where you are at, trying to not sin, wanting to not sin and yet sin anyway, why is this Brother?
Do you not completely believe, and have to do something or God will get you
You can beleive anything you want to beleive, but you do not have to live like a refugee, love you as deep as God

Rom 6:2-5 is WATER baptism...."Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life" Rom 6:4 This water baptism is that form of doctrine they obeyed from the heart, Rom 6:16-18. The command to be water baptized can be obeyed. Baptism with the Holy SPirit was a promise made to the apostles that men today cannot obey.

There is a burial in a watery grace in which one is raised up from to walk in newness of life. If this were some kind of Holy Spirit baptism, then one is buried in the Holy Spirit then raised up FROM the Holy Spirit and would not maintain the Holy Spirit as you claim.

SeaBass · May 9, 2014

homwardbound said:

You bring up this flesh stuff again. Was not Abraham in his flesh when he OBEYED God by moving from his land, house and kindred to a land God would show him? Was he not in his flesh when he OBEYED God by offering Issac? Would he have been justified if he had not done these works in his flesh? NO!

SeaBass · May 9, 2014

homwardbound said:

Faith in the creator of all, known today Father by Son, who went to the cross for us all to redeem us not in Flesh carnal nature, no not all there.

Rather in Spirit and truth, Brother why?
Because Father, can only be worshiped in:
John 4:23

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[SUP]23 [/SUP]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him
John 4:24

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[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

death of Christ at the cross, the last shed blood for any and all sin, one's conscience by this is to be purged from sin

And if one's conscience is not purged as this world has done a great job in; not allowing this purging to be done, and thus one and all that believe this way are still stuck in sin, and excuse it as you just did, using Christ as their scape goat, not seeing and trusting God completely as Christ the son did and showed us to do, to be able to walk as he walked in total dependence on Father. Christ did none of the works, Father did them all through him
So, believe, receive and taker on, put on Christ and rest in him forever, maybe quit living like a refugee
Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The difference between a righteous man and an unrighteous man is that the righteous man obeys God's will/does God's righteousness while the unrighteous man does nothing. An unrighteous man can believe in God, just as the devils believe and tremble, yet the unrighteous mans' faith only cannot save, for it is void of obedience to God's will.

SeaBass · May 9, 2014

homwardbound said:

And the devils' belief will not save them for their belief is void of obedience to God's will. Abraham's belief on the other hand, contained obedience to God's will.

So both the devils and Abraham had belief, but only Abraham's belief was reckoned righteous for it contained obedience to God's will. That OBEDIENCE to God's will is what differentiates the devils' belief from Abraham's, the obedience to God's will that some erroneously deny is necessary to be saved.

SeaBass · May 9, 2014

homwardbound said:

Father through Son has sent out the invitation to all, through the Spirit of truth, (Father) in the form of the Holy Spirit as started on the day of Pentecost. Father has reached out to all by this amazing Mercy to all over any sacrifice from anyone.
Al, that is left to do after the cross, death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and delivery of the Holy Ghost is shown, to either believe God or not in all he has done for you period
So all sins are forgiven and unbelief is not a sin, until after one decides consciously not to believe, and then it is Blasphemy and will never be forgiven
So either you do believe or you do not? Maybe you are on your way to the whole truth in being set free, I do not know, but I know God does, so therefor I make:
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Knowing God has caused me to stand through all my tragedies, and now glory in them all, never did at first, yet God being Faithful, continued on to show me
I lived like a refugee then, and today I do not, for I trust God and do not use being forgiven as an excuse to harm anyone
Thanks to Christ I am delivered to Father as perfect by Son's perfect death and Father takes me and works with me to teach me all truth that sets me free.
This truth is also for you Brother and all that have chosen to believe, so do you believe, and since you have believed has God forgotten you? Or is father going to carry on the work Father started in you from that very first day you beleived, when the love of Father overjoyed you, and has been lost in the works you are trying to do and can't, being miserable, maybe more miserable that you were before you believed, which is the crafty work of the devil, to trip manmkind up and has done an amazing job to fool even the very elect of God.
So go to your closet and pray Brother, please and seek the Mercy, knowing you are not worthy ever

So everyone will unconditionally receive God's mercy and be saved?

Or is Gods mercy received CONDITIONALLY through OBEDIENCE to God's will?

SeaBass · May 9, 2014

Hoffco said:

Works prove the faith - therefore if one has no works, he cannot even prove he has faith...prove thy faith without thy works...

Hoffco · May 9, 2014

SeaBass said:

All your replies again/to homward's errors are true,EXCEPT this one. God is not pleased with your one sided arrogance against God. Because you deny the inborn sin nature of man, You deny the power of God that alone can save us. God hates your "works" view, But God loves my "works" view, because, I believe I must be BORN again by God before my works count with God. I believe my initial justification is by "grace alone" thru "faith alone". But before we are justified we are sanctified by Grace and mercy alone, the NEW BIRTH. Rom. 6:4 is Spirit baptism. Only a sanctified, saved person can have "saving faith" to believe and obey. Love to all Hoffco

Hoffco · May 9, 2014

nomwardbound, your problems come from using a bad Bible,THE LIVING BIBLE , is a bad paraphrase. let me show you the GOOD BIBLE, the NEW KING JAMES; "v,3, "were baptized INTO His death". v.4, "through baptism INTO HIS death". NOW, the Living Bible, v.3 "were baptized... THROUGH his death". v.4, "baptism WHEN he died". Being baptized INTO Jesus death, happened to me in 1961, WHEN I was born of God, not WHEN Jesus died on the cross in 30 ad. Love to all Hoffco

Hoffco · May 9, 2014

homward, Please talk to a good Greek teacher and check out the Greek of Rom. 6:2-4. Love Hoffco

Hoffco · May 9, 2014

homwardbound said:

It is not by faith that the Sheep hear the Shepherds voice. Jesus said to the Jews questioning Him,Jh.10:26, "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep,.. v. 27 " My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." Only the eternally "elect" "sheep" will be given Faith to come to Jesus. This is according to God's eternal cov. of Grace made with the SON before the world began. Rom.8:29-30. The unchosen sinner can hear the Word of God for ever and never come to faith in Christ. Faith is the gift of God to His "elect". therefore Rom.10:17 is only half true. This is the only hope in being a pastor or missionary, God has "sheep" He will save when we preach the Gospel call of repent, trust and obey Jesus and be saved, God will saved His "elect" sinners. Love to all, Hoffco

homwardbound · May 10, 2014

SeaBass said:

It does not state water Baptism brother, not at all. Nor does it state Spirit baptism either.
But logically this is after the resurrected Christ after the Pentecost and after the reception of the Holy Spirit of Father
And is the completion of all truth from day one. Even John the Baptist said he must decrease and Christ must increase, that john only Baptized with water and Christ with the Spirit. The word keeping all in context plainly shows this truth
So you can keep deciding what you think as truth, we all have free choice, and I trust God to straighten either one of us out to truth as needed
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
For this is what God has said he would, so Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

homwardbound · May 10, 2014

SeaBass said:

And today we have the Holy Spirit living not only in us more importantly through us. And is why they had to wait for this: the day of Pentecost, for God to do the preaching through them and us that beleive God as well

Acts 17:28 for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

homwardbound · May 10, 2014

SeaBass said:

If not believe there is not exercising of the Faith in Christ. How can one if not beleive?
Yet one can say they believe and act that out and convince the crowd, and yet be most miserable behind closed doors as many are and I was once was
I came to grips of this and know this to this day:
There is not one person that can have one face to the crowd and the other to self. hidden from the crowd, without one day being perplexed as to which one is true, and the decision is at hand to believe or not believe. To keep on acting out as if you got it together, or finally turn to God. So we all are like this:
[h=3]Luke 18:9[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

[h=3]Luke 18:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican
[h=3]Luke 18:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

[h=3]Luke 18:12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

[h=3]Luke 18:13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

[h=3]Luke 18:14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted

homwardbound · May 10, 2014

SeaBass said:

By Faith in Christ it is finished and done Father saves us by giving us new life in Spirit and truth, best described what this new life reveals is 1 Cor. 13:4-13. what no flesh can do. Only God can do this, no man can, not Adam, not anyone after could only God can and did through Son for you, either you beleive this or you do not, this is not between you and I. It is between Father and you through Son

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Galatians 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Are you ready:

Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

God I think is permitting, the ? is are you listening?

homwardbound · May 10, 2014

SeaBass said:

God through Son has already proven truth. Has forgiven all the world of its sin, took it away by his death in our deserved place, so we can have new life in spirit and truth by the resurrected Christ, if we will only beleive God, then we respond with the love of God to all as in 1 Cor. 13:4-13, this is an imputed righteousness from Father through Son, it is done today if one believes without a doubt one receives and sees.
You might be on your way and you might not, only Father knows and I trust Father through Son's finished work for you, before you were ever born here on earth

[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

homwardbound · May 10, 2014

Hoffco said:

It is not by faith that the Sheep hear the Shepherds voice. Jesus said to the Jews questioning Him,Jh.10:26, "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep,.. v. 27 " My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." Only the eternally "elect" "sheep" will be given Faith to come to Jesus. This is according to God's eternal cov. of Grace made with the SON before the world began. Rom.8:29-30. The unchosen sinner can hear the Word of God for ever and never come to faith in Christ. Faith is the gift of God to His "elect". therefore Rom.10:17 is only half true. This is the only hope in being a pastor or missionary, God has "sheep" He will save when we preach the Gospel call of repent, trust and obey Jesus and be saved, God will saved His "elect" sinners. Love to all, Hoffco

Oh Brother Christ took away all sin at the cross in Father's sight did he or did he not do this?

lets us tackle one ? at a time to truth okay

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