The Letter to the Romans...

Hoffco · May 11, 2014

God the Father,acting as judge and Jesus acting as Judge , will commit many souls to Hell, the lk. of fire, for ever; obviously Jesus did not in reality take any ones sins away. We are all still born in our guilty position and condition regardless of Jesus'work on the cross, so much for that STUPID logic. homward , you are pushing a superficial, carnal, Gnosticism that stinks. We are a strange people, zealous of good works. Sorry, Love Hoffco

Kerry · May 11, 2014

Hoffco said:

God the Father,acting as judge and Jesus acting as Judge , will commit many souls to Hell, the lk. of fire, for ever; obviously Jesus did not in reality take any ones sins away. We are all still born in our guilty position and condition regardless of Jesus'work on the cross, so much for that STUPID logic. homward , you are pushing a superficial, carnal, Gnosticism that stinks. We are a strange people, zealous of good works. Sorry, Love Hoffco

Did you really say that, you don't want to think about. May God have mercy on your soul.

Hoffco · May 11, 2014

The price of redemption has been paid for "all", potentially, by Jesus,to the Father; so, "whoever" calls on the Lord will be saved. The price of redemption has been paid for the "elect", effectually, by Jesus, to the Father; so all the "elect" of the Father are now saved, one at a time, converted from the Devil's family to The Father's family. Without "conversion" of the Spirit, the death and resurrection of Jesus saves no one. On the cross, Jesus saved one person, the thief; But, after, He returned to Heaven, Jesus saved 3,000 souls on the day of Pentecost. They were born of Jesus as Peter preached, the Holy Spirit came into them and Jesus turned them from their sins, to repent, trust and obey, they got baptism in water to confess their conversion by God, and the Holy Spirit sealed them in their faith forever. I ,really, really, believe this! This has been true since God in the garden saved Adam and Eve. Love to all, Hoffco

homwardbound · May 12, 2014

Hoffco said:

In his Father's view yes he did otherwise Father could not come to live in us today
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Presented to Father as Holy, to get new life from Father as a gift. where Father comes to live in us, and eventually we see we decide Father please live through us, For on the first day of belief we are:
Ephesians 1:13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

God's seal can't be broken, man's can and is over and over as he says I wont't do that again and what does he do Hoffco?
I know and you do to, we are guilty period

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

homwardbound · May 12, 2014

Hoffco said:

Who has:
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Oh foolish Hoffco, who?
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

homwardbound · May 12, 2014

Hoffco said:

Then why are you talking out of two sides of your mouth
1. it is done?
2, it is not done we need to work?

It is either done or it is not., Either one sees this or they do not, And if not
Either that one that does not yet see this; is on their way to see the whole truth, for God will cause that one to stand, and if they are just shaking their fist at God, then that will be revealed also
Love you Doug and since you do not see this completed fact by Father aqnd are making your own way as in creating yuor own righteousness. I now leave you to discover the whole truth as Father might see fit to show you
Love you no matter as Christ loved me and loves me even if I get in the way, which is what I am revealing to you, that you are kicking at. so be it

homwardbound · May 12, 2014

Kerry said:

Kerry, Brother just be in Prayer to this:
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Hoffco · May 12, 2014

For those who have "ears to hear", the trues of the Kingdom of God, God will reveal it to you ,hear a little there a little, until we come to the perfection in Christ, Just like Jesus , we will be perfected at death and the rapture so we will rule the earth with Him, our elder brother. the world will be totally ruled by us under Jesus' command, for 1,000yrs. After that Jesus will recreate the Heavens and the earth and will hand back the rule to His Father and He will dwell, with us, in our new spiritual body form on the new earth for ever. We can never imagine what glories await us. Love to all. Hoffco

homwardbound · May 13, 2014

It is what it is, truth can't be changed, yet manipulated, and cross tied to bring worry and stress and not freedom to love as God does love us all
All will be revealed in due time and all God accepts in belief, God accepts or not, knowing everyones motive behind the curtain hidden away from public view.
And Chirst is being preached I glory in either way Chirst is preached, so I amke no judgment about anyone whether they belong to Father or not, only Fathe knows this, So I get drowned in the whole Chapter of Romans 14, seeing it much deeper that just food. for it was at taht time about food, yet goes much deeper in Spiritual reality

Hoffco · May 14, 2014

As Eph. 1:13 says, "sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise," AFTER we trusted in Jesus, not by Jesus on the cross.! We were not "sealed" by the cross work of Jesus on the cross; SO, please, STOP saying Jesus did it all on the cross, as if all our salvation in done on the cross. It is not "done " until we get to Heaven and the resurrection of our dead bodies come out of the ground. Love for the truth, the WHOLE truth, Hoffco

Hoffco · May 14, 2014

homwardbound, I KNOW you get drowned by all the Bible ; Because you are a Gnostic with very narrow, tunnel vision. Sorry, but you need to read your Bible with an open mind... Love you, Hoffco

Hoffco · May 15, 2014

I may be out of place for my action, since this is not my thread, officially; But I have, by default, become in charge of it, and I feel the thread would be better off if you were not a part of it any more. So, I am asking you, kindly, for the sake of the thread , that you volunteer to leave it. You and I disagree on more than we agree and it is just the two of us. If others want me to leave, I will leave the thread and you may lead it and I will start my own thread on Romans. Love to all, Hoffco

homwardbound · May 15, 2014

Hoffco said:

And as he gave up the ghost, dead bodies did come out of the ground, It is done, finished, yet not for you yet. Love to you
As you just said, it is not done for you, praying you come to see it is all Father through Son and not of self ever
God has no respect of persons, and simply just loves you
You want to not do wrong and I applaud this, yet take a look at 1 Cor 13:4-13, can you do these words in Scripture, shown as God's perfect love?
Neither can anyone else, I am undone, and need God only to do that love through me, praying you understand this as you work hard and fall over and over again, trying to stand back up, by asking for more forgiveness over and over, when there is no more forgiveness from Father to be given you, none even if you do sin again. No more, none.
Is Christ coming back to die all over again to forgive us all over again and again?
What does Hebrews 5:11-6:6 tell you. I love you Doug deeply

homwardbound · May 15, 2014

Hoffco said:

Okay, to be clear here, I believe, know Christ came in the flesh through the virgin birth of Mary and in hid perfect flesh went to the cross, died and rose again in order to give those that beleive new life. This new life is in Spirit and truth, by the resurrected Christ by Father who is the gift giver after Son cleansed the deck for us, if we beleive, we receive and see.
There is a work involved, and it is the hard work to enter Father's rest, by belief:
Hebrews 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Hebrews 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

You are as from your posts I see you talking out of two sides of your mouth
One side you say yes we are forgiven
Then comes out butttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am seeing this unfortunately,
Matthew 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Loving you Doug, God is just loving you and there is nothing you can do or not do to change this

homwardbound · May 15, 2014

Hoffco said:

Well okay then Bless you and me, praying for us both to be at peace with our Savior Jesus Christ? being in our unredeemed flesh natures;
I pray for me to be dead to flesh natures, stinking thinking and the want for control, and to daily give up being the center of any and all things, therefore I bow out

Hoffco · May 15, 2014

As we say, "Time and the devil will tell. I don't like that statement, because the Devil is not in control, God is in control of all things that happen. I am not happy with what I felt I had to do ; But I felt I had to end this, "make it or break it", If God wants to kill this thread, He will, and I will move on as well. My thanks for and to homwardbound for being willing "to take the bullet" for me and the sake of this thread, Time and God will tell" if I chose the right thing to do. I will wait a few days for others to comment, if they wish for the thread to continue under my command, "so be it". If I don't receive any comments I will assume you all wish me well. I do NOT want to hear any bad comments about my brother. If I receive any negative posts, I will bow out myself. Love to all, Hoffco , Ptr, Doug

Hoffco · May 15, 2014

Life is up to the "deck of cards God deals you". I love playing solitaire while I am waiting for my PC to "boot up", "down load" or "kick the bucket".

"Free cell solitaire is my favorite, I love it, when you win, it clears the deck for you automatically.

but i can only get 19% wins,

LOL Spider solitaire is the easyest

for me, because I play with one suit. 59% wins

But, reg. solitaire is murder on me. 19% win,

" "life is a bowl of cherries, when the playing deck,ground, is smooth,flat." but life is tough when people "throw you a curve ball". But for us who "love the LORD", and are "called according to His purpose" God causes"all things to work together for our good" Love to all Hoffco

Hoffco · May 17, 2014

Well, as we say,"two is a COUPLE, three is a Crowd", and, "a FEW is three or more". Therefore, I will wait one more day, "a Few" and tomorrow,"monyana/tomorrow", Monday, I will con't this thread, PROVIDED no one objects,! "whatever will be, will be", "to God be the Glory, Great things HE has done". Love to all, ALL or MANY ? as GOD, only, has decreed ALL things, even, my sin, to His Glory.!! Hoffco

Hoffco · May 18, 2014

Good morning, it is Monday, 6am, May 19,2014. I have continually prayed that Yahshua would return to run this thread which he started and did such a good joy while he was here. But, I will seek to con't , God willing. I love to study all the new Testament as it is the last written word we expect to receive from God until Jesus return. The Gospels of Jesus Christ are our Lord Jesus' prepare a time to the change from the Old to the New. The Book of Acts of the Apostles is the beginning of the new phase of the kingdom of God on earth for this age. And as we see, it started with a big bang, very exciting and full of the glory of God. By the writing of Romans, much time pasted and the Gospel had to be restated,for the churches. I call Romans,.The Gospel according to Paul.

Hoffco · May 18, 2014

My PC was giving me a fit and I just gave in and posted ,before I lost it all. I don't question, for long, the powers that be, I go with the flow ,when ever I can. LOL. I find the word of God very easy to know, but I come to know that I can not understand God's ways in this life. As He said, "My ways are not your ways" Just "reason together with Me" and the"revealed things are for you but the secrets are for God only" If you are committed to all the words of God and will not twist them, you are welcome to joint me in this study of Romans. Please don't give long posts of some Book you like, just give a little quote and ,the source for us to check into if we wish. Our study will be in the context , so try to quote a full meaning ,not just one verse, without the setting described for us, so we can see if you are contextually right. an example is John 3:16, which is very deceptive/misleading, with out the setting of 16-21. If you can, give the Greek meaning of the word ( the verb is in the Subjunctive mode and means ,a possibility of eternal life, "should". and the context of v 21 gives the full meaning. ( one must be "Born of God" to believe to eternal life.) always look at the contextual meaning of the word. EXAMPLE. the word,"call", has 3 or 4 meaning in the Bible: a GENERAL call, a SPECIFIC,POWERFUL Call of God to salvation. and a VOCATIONAL call to you Job in life. You must check the context so you know which "call"God means. Seek to use all the rules of writing in seeking the meaning of the text, all the rules of grammar apply to the Bible. And remember the Author is God ,so look for the supernatural. If you are an honest seeker for God, you are welcome to joint us. May God bless our study. Love to all , Hoffco

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