THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

[Sudakar]

Can you point me to "them"? Do they live on the "other" side of town? We can't have them " lordship Salvationists" runnin around, praising the name of Jesus!!! We need to get'em all and destroy them forever!!!!

Mk 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

Don't destroy. Preach to them the good news.

 

[Sudakar]

Nice verses, I've read'em before. But what do you have to say about what I wrote. You've addressed nothing at all to the point you can only be playing games now.

Salvation is the work of the Spirit not yours.

 

[Sudakar]

He's just going to skip right past what you say bro.

I don't need to skip past.

HOW DO LORDSHIP SALVATIONISTS ACCUSE OTHER CHRISTIANS HYPOCRITICALLY?
Lordship Salvationists are sinful according to the Lord's command in mathew 5:48 & yet accuse christians who commit sin as "unsaved"!!!
If they had turned from their sins they would have obeyed the Lord's command in mathew 5:48!! They call Him Lord Lord in order to be saved but they don't do what He said in mathew 5:48.
In order to be saved, they have changed their mind by lowering the bar of what lordship requires in mathew 5:48 to suit their degree of sinfulness. Their concept of lordship is "diluted" & subjective and not according to mathew 5:48!!
Anyway they haven't repented according to mathew 5:48 but according to a standard which they invent subjectively. That's phoney lordship.

 

[Jimbone]

IS DEMANDING CHRISTIANS TO PROVE THEY HAVE SAVING FAITH WITHOUT STATING A STANDARD TO CHECK FOR COMPLIANCE, MEANINGFUL?
If you say works accompany salvation, its fine. But if you go beyond and say that works prove saving faith, then you have to state the standard of works required to prove one has saving faith or else the standard of proof for having a saving faith becomes subjective and arbitrary to each individual and eventually making no sense except blabbery.
(SUDAKAR) is scared of stating the standard for fear of being exposed he has not met the standard himself, and is looking like a hypocrite!

I fixed this for you.

 

[Jimbone]

I don't need to skip past.

HOW DO LORDSHIP SALVATIONISTS ACCUSE OTHER CHRISTIANS HYPOCRITICALLY?
Lordship Salvationists are sinful according to the Lord's command in mathew 5:48 & yet accuse christians who commit sin as "unsaved"!!!
If they had turned from their sins they would have obeyed the Lord's command in mathew 5:48!! They call Him Lord Lord in order to be saved but they don't do what He said in mathew 5:48.
In order to be saved, they have changed their mind by lowering the bar of what lordship requires in mathew 5:48 to suit their degree of sinfulness. Their concept of lordship is "diluted" & subjective and not according to mathew 5:48!!
Anyway they haven't repented according to mathew 5:48 but according to a standard which they invent subjectively. That's phoney lordship.

Okay, so your claim here is that you do live up to Mat 5:48? "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.".

You are perfect as the Father is perfect? Is that your assertion here?

 

[Sudakar]

I fixed this for you.

You fixed nothing.

I don't trust in my works. Perhaps you might trust in works to prove your saving faith. So you must clarify if you have proved you have saving faith according to the standard in mathew 5:48 or hypocritically pretend to have saving faith by adopting a lower standard to suit your sinfulness.

Don't deceive yourself.

 

[Sudakar]

Okay, so your claim here is that you do live up to Mat 5:48? "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.".

You are perfect as the Father is perfect? Is that your assertion here?

Let me repeat it if that helps you.


I don't trust in my works. Perhaps you might trust in works to prove your saving faith. So you must clarify if you have proved you have saving faith according to the standard in mathew 5:48 or hypocritically pretend to have saving faith by adopting a lower standard to suit your sinfulness.

Don't deceive yourself.

 

[Jimbone]

Let me repeat it if that helps you.


I don't trust in my works. Perhaps you might trust in works to prove your saving faith. So you must clarify if you have proved you have saving faith according to the standard in mathew 5:48 or hypocritically pretend to have saving faith by adopting a lower standard to suit your sinfulness.

Don't deceive yourself.

No you don't make a point, you don't really engage with people, and you're just playing teacher. Have a good day man Jesus is obviously calling you, and although you say, "I don't trust in my works", you're lying to yourself, that's all you trust in because all you know is the flesh.

 

[wolfwint]

HOW DO LORDSHIP SALVATIONISTS ACCUSE OTHER CHRISTIANS HYPOCRITICALLY?
Lordship Salvationists are sinful according to the Lord's command in mathew 5:48 & yet accuse christians who commit sin as "unsaved"!!!
If they had turned from their sins they would have obeyed the Lord's command in mathew 5:48!! They call Him Lord Lord in order to be saved but they don't do what He said in mathew 5:48.
In order to be saved, they have changed their mind by lowering the bar of what lordship requires in mathew 5:48 to suit their degree of sinfulness. Their concept of lordship is "diluted" & subjective and not according to mathew 5:48!!
Anyway they haven't repented according to mathew 5:48 but according to a standard which they invent subjectively. That's phoney lordship.

I dont know which people you mean. The Site I read was nothing about accuse others.
If we are honest, then we must recognize that only our Lord knows our heart and he knows who is saved and not.
This is what counts and not what other people tell.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You fixed nothing. I don't trust in my works. Perhaps you might trust in works to prove your saving faith. So you must clarify if you have proved you have saving faith according to the standard in mathew 5:48 or hypocritically pretend to have saving faith by adopting a lower standard to suit your sinfulness. Don't deceive yourself.

You should have realized by now that you made a huge mistake in starting this thread. But you have no business going around asking people what they have done or not done, and then trying to sit in judgment over them. You have a big enough job understanding the meaning of salvation and focusing on your own salvation.

 

[wolfwint]

Does the Holy Spirit also remind you that you are disobedient to mathew 5:48? How did you respond?

I cant be disobiedient to Math. 5.48! Because this is no command to follow.
Well, show me only one Single Person who is perfect by his own strengh. Jesus spoke this for to show how people should be. Through Jesus death at the cross and takeing our sins. He is able to make us perfect. HE is doing it, not we!

 

[Blain]

Ok, so let me see if I am getting this right about your character Sudakar, you claim to prove your salvation by faith alone but apparently everyone else is by works, you claim to be perfect and sinless but we are all stupid sinful hypocrites. I mean honestly you cannot possibly be that blind no christian could possibly be this arrogant and judgemental and oblivious to their own faults.
I am genuinely confused as to why you are here, I mean seriously are you here to troll and play mind games to teach to expose ?

 

[Blain]

Not that I expect you to actually confront my questions I am sure you wouldn't bother debating only speaking your ego.
Can you even hold your own in a debate? I mean with all do respect the fact you ask questions and get replies but don't have the courtesy to asnwer anything responded just seems like you only have your own opinion and are unable to actually debate anything

 

[kaylagrl]

HOW DO LORDSHIP SALVATIONISTS ACCUSE OTHER CHRISTIANS HYPOCRITICALLY?
Lordship Salvationists are sinful according to the Lord's command in mathew 5:48& yet accuse christians who commit sin as "unsaved"!!!

No one, NO ONE other than Christ Himself is perfect. He was the only one to walk this earth who was perfect. I'm not, YOU aren't. Period!

If they had turned from their sins they would have obeyed the Lord's command in mathew 5:48!! They call Him Lord Lord in order to be saved but they don't do what He said in mathew 5:48.

You're not sinless. If all of Jesus disciples who walked and talked with Him still failed and weren't perfect, you aren't!!

In order to be saved, they have changed their mind by lowering the bar of what lordship requires in mathew 5:48 to suit their degree of sinfulness.

Nope, just one verse twisted out of context to make you and this Mc Arthur guy feel spiritually superior. Neither of you is perfect and sinless, if he's even alive today. Still he isn't/wasn't sinless.

Their concept of lordship is "diluted" & subjective and not according to mathew 5:48!!
Anyway they haven't repented according to mathew 5:48 but according to a standard which they invent subjectively. That's phoney lordship.

No, you're wrong !!!!! You're making a doctrine out of one verse that you have twisted utterly out of context!!! You are wrong, you are not perfect, you are not sinless!!!!

 

[kaylagrl]

Premise 1: Works prove saving faith.
Premise 2: Saving faith saves.
Conclusion: Lack of works means no salvation.
Thus lordship salvation preaches the heresy of works based salvation. Simple.

The BIBLE says that faith and works go had in hand. Works do not save, but a Christian will do good works because they love the Lord. Stop twisting the Word and read it!!!!!!

 

[kaylagrl]

IS DEMANDING CHRISTIANS TO PROVE THEY HAVE SAVING FAITH WITHOUT STATING A STANDARD TO CHECK FOR COMPLIANCE, MEANINGFUL?
If you say works accompany salvation, its fine. But if you go beyond and say that works prove saving faith, then you have to state the standard of works required to prove one has saving faith or else the standard of proof for having a saving faith becomes subjective and arbitrary to each individual and eventually making no sense except blabbery.
Lordship Salvationists are scared of stating the standard for fear of being exposed they have not met the standard themselves and looking like hypocrites!

Read the WORD!! That's the standard!!

James 2
What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


Matthew 5:16 - Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

James 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James 2:18 - Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

1 Tim.-
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.


What are these verses saying in your POV? What do they mean? Don't throw Matthew at me, answer the question!! What are these verses saying and what standard are they setting?!

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Your false pet standard of lordship is non sequitur!!

Nope.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

That's self deception if you think you have saving faith.

Nope.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

If you are finally saved from the presence of sin only at glorification, you are lamely excusing yourself from having to fulfil mathew 5:48 to prove you have saving faith!

Nope.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

If works are necessary to prove saving faith, indirectly salvation is also linked to works. So it's meaningless for you to say works are not necessary for salvation. Don't pretend you believe in grace.

Nope.