The Meaning Of The Parable Of Tares

[miknik5]

This is what I'm referring to
not sure I'm in agreement that the wheat and the tares are THE CHURCH

To say that HE is going to remove uproot out of the kingdom of GOD those who have been transferred out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of LIGHT already... I don't agree

i believe what revelation 11 is saying in that with the testimony of the two witnesses complete, with their death, and their bring raised up and brought back into heaven, now the time of the uprooting because "the kingdoms of this world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ and HE will reign forever and ever

 

[miknik5]

That is why im asking if it is thought that the Church will be removed prior to the two witnesses beginning to testify?

 

[miknik5]

I'm not sure where you are going with this, however, look here:

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

42 months was the length of the siege of Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD, so this places the time of the two witnesses in that time frame.

That is also another reason from revelation 11 and what you have quoted here


The temple

its built

 

[miknik5]

I'm not sure where you are going with this, however, look here:

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

42 months was the length of the siege of Jerusalem in the war of 66-70 AD, so this places the time of the two witnesses in that time frame.

That is also another reason from revelation 11 and what you have quoted here


The temple

its built

(and I'm sorry, locutus. I don't agree that this is a past event )

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is what I'm referring to not sure I'm in agreement that the wheat and the tares are THE CHURCH

I believe you are misunderstanding what is being said. The Church (the Body of Christ) consists of the wheat. But the "churches" (Christendom) have BOTH wheat and tares. I'm sure you must be awre of False Christianity. Outwardly they are called "Christians" but inwardly these persons have not received the gift of the Holy Spirit and been born again. Sadly, there are a very large number in this group, and it does not have to be that way since almost everyone today has access to at least an online Bible.

 

[miknik5]

I believe you are misunderstanding what is being said. The Church (the Body of Christ) consists of the wheat. But the "churches" (Christendom) have BOTH wheat and tares. I'm sure you must be awre of False Christianity. Outwardly they are called "Christians" but inwardly these persons have not received the gift of the Holy Spirit and been born again. Sadly, there are a very large number in this group, and it does not have to be that way since almost everyone today has access to at least an online Bible.

That doesn't seem to be what J7 is saying

rather he seems to be saying that CHRIST is forsaking HIS BODY and is referring to the tares as those who were in the kingdom but had caused offense and had not repented

 

[miknik5]

I could go with that if it were a matter as the parable is written those who were clearly children of the kingdom and those who were clearly the children of "another father"

bit thatbis not whatvis being argued

 

[Zmouth]

I would have never guessed the tares and the wheat had parables, wonder if buckwheat has anthers? Any guesses?

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,..."
Genesis 1:11

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Strong's #2215: zizanion (pronounced dziz-an'-ee-on)of uncertain origin; darnel or false grain:--tares.

 

[miknik5]

7 years of tribulation

the first 3.5 years Jerusalem wil be rebuilt during troublous times

in revelation 11, as well as the measuring of the temple courts, implies that the temple is rebuilt and the great wrath/tribulation is going to begin

 

[Nehemiah6]

That doesn't seem to be what J7 is saying rather he seems to be saying that CHRIST is forsaking HIS BODY and is referring to the tares as those who were in the kingdom but had caused offense and had not repented

Well quite clearly this has absolutely no support in Scripture. If it were true, Christ would be dismembering His body on an ongoing basis and would become an amputee (God forbid!) by the time the Rapture occurred.

 

[miknik5]

Well quite clearly this has absolutely no support in Scripture. If it were true, Christ would be dismembering His body on an ongoing basis and would become an amputee (God forbid!) by the time the Rapture occurred.

Not to mention that HE said HE would never forsake us and that HE remains faithful and will not deny HIS BODY

 

[Locutus]

(and I'm sorry, locutus. I don't agree that this is a past event )

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

John said the things in his revelation were to shortly come to pass - they can't be extrapolated 1900 years and counting into the future.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The companion verses are here:

(Luke 21:20 KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;


Jesus says the tares are the children of the wicked one.

Who is the wicked one?

 

[miknik5]

The wheat are His disciples; saved believers that are abiding in Him & His words

The tares are saved believers that did not depart from iniquity. They did not look to the author & finisher of our faith to help them lay aside every weight & sin. 1 Timothy 4:1-2 prophesied that many shall depart from faith in giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils; the church at Thaytira in Revelation 2nd chapter are warned to repent of their spiritual fornication or else be cast into the bed of the coming great tribulation as the Lord will kill His children with death in according to their works.

So there is a sheep that hears His Voice and follows His voice

Then there is that sheep that followed the stranger's voice; hence tongues without interpretation used as a prayer language and for self edification as this supernatural tongue can be found in the occult which is why the church at Thyatira were referenced as those that speak the utter depths of Satan for which they speak. This vain & profane babbling that does not come with interpretation nor understood by any foreigner is gained by the apostate calling of seeking to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation as that iniquity was at work in Paul's days from which he reproved it in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 reminding believers of the tradition taught of how they had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel.

So in that sense, yes, they are Satanists in the churches, but they know it not. They can be saved believers that use tongues as a prayer language; that seek to receive the Holy Spirit "again" and "again" apart from salvation for other sensational signs in the flesh which is usually in confusion as many believers ( many houses ) fall in those movements of the "Spirit" which is not really the Holy Spirit coming & going on those saved believers when He is already in them as promised.

But Jesus must get the sheep that followed the stranger's voice because He will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him ( John 6:39-40 ) as they will be made to hear His voice and be of the one fold & one Shepherd. John 10:1-5,16

I owe J7 an apology

this is the post I do not agree with

 

[miknik5]

J7 I am sorry

i thought you were the one who was implying that the tares were also believers

 

[TruthTalk]

no the tares do not look like the wheat. they have their own appearance, otherwise you would not know which to pluck out of the garden. the thing is, if you pluck out the tares, you will also pluck out some of the wheat with it ,because they are so close together.

Yes trained eyes can see the difference between the real McCoy and a counterfeit. An Jesus know's His sheep and they follow Him. Interesting to note is that; each rice kernel has a protected shell covering around it, therefore the need to thresh out the life giving kernel of rice. However when you thresh out the tares, there is no kernel of rice inside the protective shell, it is empty.

Jesus say's that the devil comes at night an sows the tare's and low and behold; the tares are void of any life giving food. And everybody knows that Jesus is the Bread of Life;

"Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty." John6:35 ; but then maybe I am overlooking the point of this parable. God bless.

 

[stonesoffire]

Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;


Jesus says the tares are the children of the wicked one.

Who is the wicked one?

Right. He interpreted the parable for us. And gives discernment of spirits to be aware. Otherwise we could fall into troubles from associations. Just one thought about what might have multiple warnings.

 

[J7]

The only point I am making Enow is that Christ gives the Parable of the Sower of seed, and he then explains that the seed is the Word Of The Kingdom, i.e. the Gospel Message.

This is a very simple thing, as the same motif is everywhere in the Bible. Virgins receive one seed in their womb, the true Gospel, whores receive many different types of seed, i.e. false doctrines. Hence the whore of Babylon is the mother of false religions and doctrines, and everyone who is under a false religion has 'drunk from her cup.'

Jesus then gives the parable of two different seeds, wheat and tare.If the tare is an example of a bad seed, then it logically follows that there is one good seed. So the wheat seed logically has to be the same seed as in the first parable.

I'll pause there

Well, all things being equal... The seed is Christ just as the word of God is Christ.

In the parable of the sower, how one did not receive Him and how the rest received Him refers to unbelievers and saved believers.

In the parable of the wheat & the tares, this refers to those whom had received Him as they are in His kingdom and how they had grown whether in the world or as tares when moreso in the world.

Since the field is the world and the harvest is coming to take the wheat out of the world, hence pre trib rapture; and leaving the tares in the world, hence removing out of the harvest collected of all things that offend and do iniquity which are the tares, ....

[/FONT][/COLOR]Kind of hard for me to see it as applied to Bible versions when it is referring to the saved believers in their walk with Him.



Your application where only the KJV is the good seed and the tares are the modern Bibles as sown by the devil that causes others to go astray in supporting false teachings as well as false tongues in the church and thus hence His kingdom...doesn't really adhere to all the elements in the parable of the wheat & the tares. But I do see your application even though I am sure that is not the message Jesus was giving since He is not coming back to harvest the true Bible version out of the world.

The verses I find Jesus is talking about us needing to discern which Bible version loves Him and which does not can be found here.

John 14:[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.[SUP]24 [/SUP]He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

When they change His words by deferring from the testimony of the Son, then I am grieved.

John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP]40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Psalm 119:[SUP]157 [/SUP]Many are my persecutors and mine enemies; yet do I not decline from thy testimonies. [SUP]158 [/SUP]I beheld the transgressors, and was grieved; because they kept not thy word.

Anyway, thanks for sharing, brother.

Unless you can tie in all the elements of the wheat & the tares parable to how you were applying it towards Bible version, I am just not seeing it as applied fully to that parable.

 

[Enow]

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

John said the things in his revelation were to shortly come to pass - they can't be extrapolated 1900 years and counting into the future.

Yes.. they can be extrapolated 1900 years and counting into the future.

2 Peter 3:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Not all of the elements in Revelation has been played out in the timeline you assigned it to.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

The companion verses are here:

(Luke 21:20 KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, andshall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Those are not companion verses. The outer courts of the Temple & the Holy city is given to the Gentiles to be trodden underfoot for a specific length of time in Revelation. That would infer that the Temple is still standing in Revelation, does it not?

So the verses in Luke 21 are misapplied. You have to read that chapter with discernment because Jesus is addressing different times here in answering His disciples questions.

Luke 21:[SUP]5 [/SUP]And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,[SUP] 6 [/SUP]As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

The more detailed questions from that same event can be found here.

Matthew 24:1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]All these are the beginning of sorrows.

So the first question was about when what He had mentioned about the Temple will happen when it is all gone.

The second was about the sign of His coming. The pre trib rapture.

The third was about the end of the world. The great tribulation period.

Jesus begins to answers these 3 questions but as you note; not in chronological order.

So you need His wisdom to discern which answer He is giving to what question when you read down from any of those chapters.

But as it is, Revelation's reference still has the Temple standing; it is the outer courts & Jerusalem that was given to the Gentiles. Hardly applicable to the time when Jesus said all the stones of the Temple would be thrown down which was the time you had applied Revelation to seemingly had occurred. It wasn't.

 

[heartofdavid]

This parable is after the millennium.

Lake of fire

The tares are burned. LOF.