The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

[DP]

One of the main purposes His giving us The Holy Spirit when we believe on Him and are baptized, is so we may recognize when we sin in the future. If we are in the walk with Christ, then The Holy Spirit convicts us when we do a sin in the future.

To think there is NO further any need for our personal repentance to Jesus of future sin, then we close off communication by The Holy Spirit, and thus separate ourselves from our walk with Jesus.

This is why in Matt.7 we're shown at His return many will come up to Him saying, "Lord, lord...", didn't we do many wonderful works in thy Name, and He will tell them to get away from Him, those who work iniquity. That's about believers on Him, not unbelievers.

 

[DP]

REPENTANCE



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It means exactly like, "I... am sorry, I repent of what I... did."

 

[Willie-T]

It means exactly like, "I... am sorry, I repent of what I... did."

I believe you will find that it means, "I have realized my previous thinking about Christ was wrong, and I now choose to believe in what He said."

 

[DP]

This is so true. Satan has taught us that we have to earn forgiveness by wailing and sobbing and beating our breasts enough to appropriately impress God so that He will grant us the forgiveness His word tells us is already ours in Christ.

I do not insult God by begging Him to give me what He has already told me is mine because of Christ's sacrifice. Instead, I express sorrow for my disappointing behavior, and I THANK HIM FOR THE GIFT GIVEN TO ME BEFORE I EVER FIRST UTTERED HIS NAME... before I was born, even.

Now, I don't think you guys are excluded for not believing what God told us is true, but I sure do think you are making God feel sad because of such blatant unbelief of Him.

What? We are showing disbelief in God by obeying His commandment for us to walk in Him and repent when we mess up?

No wonder today's political correct society hates the idea of family, they don't even repent to their own when they mess up, so why would they repent to God? We aren't to be like that with our family, nor with our Heavenly Father and His Son.

 

[Grace777x70]

This one is for Willie..he loves it!...is this the truth willie?

 

[Gr8grace]

Absolutely not. It's about OUR continued repentance to HIM directly when we commit a future sin. And the first stage of that repentance is first recognizing... when WE commit a sin. This is what true repentance per NT Doctrine means.

New American Standard Bible
By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[DP]

I believe you will find that it means, "I have realized my previous thinking about Christ was wrong, and I now choose to believe in what He said."

Nah, it means, "Boy, did I really mess up! I hate what I... did, and I... don't feel good about it (Holy Spirit convicting them), and I... want to make things right!"

 

[phil36]

Hi grace777x70

heres what you said in post number 28

In contrast, faith-based repentance is always done in response to something God has done. It’s the change of heart and mind that happens when you encounter His grace.

The problem here is that you are saying that those who don't believe what you do, do not repent because of their faith, thats a sad strawman agument.

1.Could you explain what it is you are changing you heart and mind from? (I am not talking about that one time event of regeneration).
2. If you have changed your heart and mind from whatever it is..are you not turning away from whatever it is?

 

[Gr8grace]

Nah, it means, "Boy, did I really mess up! I hate what I... did, and I... don't feel good about it (Holy Spirit convicting them), and I... want to make things right!"

I hear a lot of unbelievers say those things......................do they get saved for their "repentance?"

 

[DP]

I hear a lot of unbelievers say those things......................do they get saved for their "repentance?"

Like I said, it's not about our first belief on Christ Jesus. It's about our continued walk with Him, belonging to Him and not to ourselves.

But even many unbelievers repent when they mess up, at least showing they have a guilty conscience and have done wrong. How much worse does that make it when someone a believer on Christ refuses to repent in the future when they mess up? Ah... there's that working of Satan in those who think they need not ever repent of their future sins, and thus putting their walk with Jesus in danger, which is exactly... what the devil wants a believer to do.

 

[Grace777x70]

Willie said it well in post # 33

I believe you will find that it means, "I have realized my previous thinking about Christ was wrong, and I now choose to believe in what He said."

My mind is being renewed to who I am in Christ now....because of Christ being in me..I set my mind on Him and His finished work on my behalf....the new creation in Christ...

.I set my mind on what Paul says...so, "I repent"..ie change my mind to line up with Christ in me..His life..etc...I set my mind on Christ in me.....if that means for example...if I have been slandering a leader in the body of Christ ..The Holy Spirit in me gets grieved....as I am being disrespectful of my brothers/sisters in Christ.....I see that truth ... God grants me repentance ( which is changing of our mind ) ..then I repent and change how I speak about them with respect now.

Colossians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Repentance is a God-given response to the nature of Him..

Romans 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

It is God that gives us repentance..He is awesome!

Acts 11:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

If you want more understanding on what I believe about repentance you can go to post #28 and #30

Hi grace777x70

heres what you said in post number 28



The problem here is that you are saying that those who don't believe what you do, do not repent because of their faith, thats a sad strawman agument.

1.Could you explain what it is you are changing you heart and mind from? (I am not talking about that one time event of regeneration).
2. If you have changed your heart and mind from whatever it is..are you not turning away from whatever it is?

 

[phil36]

I believe you will find that it means, "I have realized my previous thinking about Christ was wrong, and I now choose to believe in what He said."

I think you will find thats not quite accurate Willie-T -- biblically speaking! I can have the right view of Christ and still have a lustfull eye, It's worng..so what do I do?

 

[Gr8grace]

Like I said, it's not about our first belief on Christ Jesus. It's about our continued walk with Him, belonging to Him and not to ourselves.

But even many unbelievers repent when they mess up, at least showing they have a guilty conscience and have done wrong. How much worse does that make it when someone a believer on Christ refuses to repent in the future when they mess up? Ah... there's that working of Satan in those who think they need not ever repent of their future sins, and thus putting their walk with Jesus in danger, which is exactly... what the devil wants a believer to do.

I am not following you? You don't think that you are born-again or have eternal life at this moment?

 

[DP]

Willie said it well in post # 33

I believe you will find that it means, "I have realized my previous thinking about Christ was wrong, and I now choose to believe in what He said."

My mind is being renewed to who I am in Christ now....because of Christ being in me..I set my mind on Him and His finished work on my behalf....the new creation in Christ...

.I set my mind on what Paul says...so, "I repent"..ie change my mind to line up with Christ in me..His life..etc...I set my mind on Christ in me.....if that means for example...if I have been slandering a leader in the body of Christ ..The Holy Spirit in me gets grieved....as I am being disrespectful of my brothers/sisters in Christ.....I see that truth .....then I repent and change how I speak about them with respect now.

Colossians 3:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

Repentance is a God-given response to the nature of Him..

Romans 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

It is God that gives us repentance..He is awesome!

Acts 11:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

If you want more understanding on what I believe about repentance you can go to post #28 and #30

Then I don't want to hear what you talk to Jesus about when you do holy communion with Him, because that time period is not only about recognizing what He did for us on the cross, but also conversing with Him one-on-one as with a Counselor, and that includes repentance for misdeeds of our flesh.

I also wonder if you ever say the prayer He gave us to say through His Apostles, which includes asking Him forgiveness of OUR sins.

 

[Dan58]

Satan has done a masterful job at masking true repentance. When it comes to salvation, repentance is simply changing your mind about Christ.

I don't get that at all... Repentance is changing your mind, heart, and ways about yourself, and adjusting them closer each day to the example of Christ. Being followers of the Word and not just hearers demands repentance. If we never regret our sin, what's to stop us from changing for the better? Repenting demonstrates a change of heart and direction, not a change of mind with a new idea or understanding. jmo

 

[DP]

I am not following you? You don't think that you are born-again or have eternal life at this moment?

You don't think our Lord Jesus serious when He forewarned what He will say to those who work iniquity that say to Him, "Lord, Lord..." and He closes the door upon those believers at His return? (Matt.7) Sounds like you didn't take Him seriously.

 

[Grace777x70]

I love to partake of communion with Him..I always do it "In remembrance of Him"....in what He has done...He has done mighty things for us!..I thank Him His body was broken for me so that I may have healing and wholeness.. I thank Him for the shedding of His blood for the complete forgiveness of my sins.....sometimes I take communion every day for a couple of weeks..He always leads me to "Do this..in remembrance of Him"

Then I don't want to hear what you talk to Jesus about when you do holy communion with Him, because that time period is not only about recognizing what He did for us on the cross, but also conversing with Him one-on-one as with a Counselor, and that includes repentance for misdeeds of our flesh.

I also wonder if you ever say the prayer He gave us to say through His Apostles, which includes asking Him forgiveness of OUR sins.

 

[DP]

I don't get that at all... Repentance is changing your mind, heart, and ways about yourself, and adjusting them closer each day to the example of Christ. Being followers of the Word and not just hearers demands repentance. If we never regret our sin, what's to stop us from changing for the better? Repenting demonstrates a change of heart and direction, not a change of mind with a new idea or understanding. jmo

Thank you. That's the main point. Hyper-Grace teaches against that NT Doctrine.

 

[DP]

I love to partake of communion with Him..I always do it "In remembrance of Him"....in what He has done...He has done mighty things for us!..I thank Him His body was broken for me so that I may have healing and wholeness.. I thank Him for the shedding of His blood for the complete forgiveness of my sins.....sometimes I take communion every day for a couple of weeks..He always leads me to "Do this..in remembrance of Him"

Communion with Him is indeed about remembrance of Him, of what He did for us on His cross, but it ALSO includes literal communication WITH Him, which is where the meaning of 'communion' comes from. What did He say about coming to Him when we've done something to another and need to ask forgiveness? He said go first and fix that situation, then He will hear us. (and I'm paraphrasing).

 

[BenFTW]

I don't get that at all... Repentance is changing your mind, heart, and ways about yourself, and adjusting them closer each day to the example of Christ. Being followers of the Word and not just hearers demands repentance. If we never regret our sin, what's to stop us from changing for the better? Repenting demonstrates a change of heart and direction, not a change of mind with a new idea or understanding. jmo

Thank you. That's the main point. Hyper-Grace teaches against that NT Doctrine.

False allegation, again. Hyper-Grace teaches a repentance that happens through a renewal of the mind. Our goals may be similar but our methods different. One is of the flesh and the other the Spirit. One brings lasting change, and the other temporal. Many people's idea/concept of repentance is simply a boast in the flesh, and a promise hardly kept. True repentance is a process of renewing our minds to who we are in Christ and letting that transform us (awaken us to righteousness).