The neo-Gnostic spirit of New.Modern.Hyper Grace

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Magenta

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This is a sample of what I'm seeing. Almost impossible to reply to.
This is hardly a connection bet[COLOR=#3E3E3Eween God's grace and Gnosticism. Believers in Gnosticism believe that sin couldn't be imputed to them because they [/COLOR[COLOR=#3E3E3Ewere inherently spirit/COLOR][COLOR=#3E3E3E. They didn't believe they had sin (1 John 1:9; unlike grace believers, [/COLOR[COLOR=#3E3E3Ewho ackno[/COLOR][COLOR=#3E3E3Ewledge their sin but kno[/COLOR]w Jesus took care of it).
Okay that is really messy. Those commands are not right for this board. Maybe quotation marks are needed around the hex codes (colour)? Or one of tags is missing in each code. I see missing tags.
 
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It is what happens when only part of an html command is put into any message. There is an opening command (for lack of a better word) and a closing command. We are seeing the opening command because no closing command was given. If it had been, both would have been hidden, as html is supposed to be. It has nothing to do with our "devices." It is an editing matter.
All of the HTML codes are closed correctly. They were just being inserted all over the place for no reason. I had to remove some of the brackets in my example to make it show in my last post.
 
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Ben's posts are showing up fine here. But when his post is "quoted" there are numerous color html notations that show up throughout the post, but they have no closure brackets.
 

BenFTW

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That's true that gnosticism has nothing in common with GOD's grace, but it is has striking similarities to new.modern.hyper grace.

I think it's a riot when new.modern.hyper grace folks tell me what they think gnosticism was, right after I've shown them what a man who knew them well wrote about them!

I know that people like to throw out the term straw man to win points and act like they know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, your use of the term doesn't make much sense. Why don't you explain what exactly the straw man is that you're referring to?
The straw man is among many. License to sin, no repentance, no confession, fruit doesn't matter, and more. You keep setting them up, arguing against them and then thinking you've accomplished something when in fact none of those things are purported by Hyper-Grace.

Somehow you think these believers live licentiously and then excuse it, even boasting in their sin. This is not so, and is a false accusation. It goes back to renewing our mind; how can you accuse these believers in God's grace of such a perspective when they continue to tell you that we have victory over sin and it wont dominate us? That we are to confess, or come in agreement with God in regards to sin, our need for Jesus, and praise Him for His providence (His blood)? Or, even, that because we are born again we shall bear fruit if given the opportunity?

Tell me, are these not straw man raised for the purpose of refutation, to make it seem as if you are revealing the error(s) of Hyper-grace? Yet, what is the truth? Every single disagreement is not what Hyper-Grace teaches. So why refute something that is not being put forward? Maybe in your mind this is what they teach but let me inform you that you are incorrect. None of these things, these false allegations, are true. Not one.

Now that you are aware that your issues with Hyper-Grace are unfounded, you can look into Hyper-Grace with an open mind. See it for what it is, God's truth. Not with preconceived notions, but with an open mind and heart. Not licentiousness but liberty. Freedom from the chains that bound us, and a practice of renewing your mind to these truths so that you may walk in the victory that Christ purchased for you. You have it, you only need to awaken to it.
 

Magenta

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All of the HTML codes are closed correctly. They were just being inserted all over the place for no reason. I had to remove some of the brackets in my example to make it show in my last post.
When I go to the original message, I don't see any of the html like that...
 

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It is what happens when only part of an html command is put into any message. There is an opening command (for lack of a better word) and a closing command. We are seeing the opening command because no closing command was given. If it had been, both would have been hidden, as html is supposed to be. It has nothing to do with our "devices." It is an editing matter.
I am not implementing HTML code in my posts (as in typing it in myself). Could it be for the letter \/\/? I am copy/pasting it in because my key is broken. Every "w" is pasted in but I don't why that would cause HTML issues and show incomplete code.
 
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I keep getting a popup bar across the bottom of the screen with the word share and an arrowMaking it nearly impossible to type. If I hit the share...50 website titles come up like facebook, twitter, linkedin etc.Its only on cchat and I did a factory reset and its still there. Screenshot_2016-01-12-22-07-11.jpg
 
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You're right, Ben. It seem to only show up for me where "W"s are concerned..... like maybe you are copying an external "W" in a color that this forum doesn't recognize?
 
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The straw man is among many. License to sin, no repentance, no confession, fruit doesn't matter, and more. You keep setting them up, arguing against them and then thinking you've accomplished something when in fact none of those things are purported by Hyper-Grace.
I'll respond to this tomorrow, but you're just repeating the new.modern.hyper grace talking points that you've been taught to repeat. I haven't discussed the bolded topics you mentioned in the context you're trying to present, but you're addressing me like I have. You're simply framing talking points within the crafted framework that you've learned how to argue with. That's why it's difficult IMO to have a reasoned discussion with you.
 
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No wonder, Syd...... It's all upside-down. LOL
 

Magenta

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I am not implementing HTML code in my posts (as in typing it in myself). Could it be for the letter \/\/? I am copy/pasting it in because my key is broken. Every "w" is pasted in but I don't why that would cause HTML issues and show incomplete code.
Hmmm, maybe the source of the w is the problem? If you were to back space up to the w it might inadvertently remove part of the source code. I am just guessing. These text boxes that we type into are "hot." That means, when I paste Scripture for example, the verse number may look like just a number, but it is a link and goes into my message as a link, so anyone could click on such a number in my post and it would open a new tab to that Scripture, even though I never see the link while I am composing my message. That is why copying from different sources needs to be checked multiple times also, if you care about things such as uniformity of font type and size, because whatever you copy will transfer over, unlike other places where the text box automatically standardizes everything and removes links etc.
 

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You're right, Ben. It seem to only show up for me where "W"s are concerned..... like maybe you are copying an external "W" in a color that this forum doesn't recognize?
Well is it in this post? I just copied your W and posted it. Does it still reveal itself? Why its doing that, IDK. I think I copied a W from Google, just typing in "abcdefg..." and then a W appears. Then I copy it. Or I'll copy another user's W, like I just did for this post.
 
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I am not implementing HTML code in my posts (as in typing it in myself). Could it be for the letter \/\/? I am copy/pasting it in because my key is broken. Every "w" is pasted in but I don't why that would cause HTML issues and show incomplete code.
That's what it is. The application you're copying from is inserting those color codes when you copy that letter.
 
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Well is it in this post? I just copied your W and posted it. Does it still reveal itself? Why its doing that, IDK. I think I copied a W from Google, just typing in "abcdefg..." and then a W appears. Then I copy it. Or I'll copy another user's W, like I just did for this post.
Yes it's in this one. Every time the letter 'W' is inserted, the color code gets closed and reopened before it.
 
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Well is it in this post? I just copied your W and posted it. Does it still reveal itself? Why its doing that, IDK. I think I copied a W from Google, just typing in "abcdefg..." and then a W appears. Then I copy it. Or I'll copy another user's W, like I just did for this post.
Your own post showed up perfectly, but the quote is littered with the broken syntax,


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BenFTW

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I'll respond to this tomorrow, but you're just repeating the new.modern.hyper grace talking points that you've been taught to repeat. I haven't discussed the bolded topics you mentioned in the context you're trying to present, but you're addressing me like I have. You're simply framing talking points within the crafted framework that you've learned how to argue with. That's why it's difficult IMO to have a reasoned discussion with you.
I don't mean to say you've done all of these (surely I recall a couple), but the last couple of days others have brought these "issues" up. You have brought up the sin misconception, even comparing it to Gnosticism. I am not offering you a format, but just offering you my observation that your disagreements are unfounded. Another user heavily puts these arguments up for refutation, but they too are misrepresenting Hyper-Grace. These are talking points because they continue to be put forth as errors of Hyper-Grace, yet they aren't. Hyper-Grace doctrine is being maligned.
 
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In some applications like Word and possibly some internet applications, text formatting is copied when text is copied and carried over into the paste. Applications like Notepad don't do that.